Ukraine War Thread Part 2
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Russian media report a powerful explosion in Russian Biysk. Allegedly, the explosion took place at a military plant.*
This is a state-owned defense industry plant that specializes in chemical technologies.
The local mayor called the incident a "bang" caused by a "technological process."
This new Russian jargon of "technological process", "emergency descent" and "planned smoke curtains" is fascinating.
* Altai FSC Federal Research center
https://english.nv.ua/nation/explosi...-50392982.html
This plant, part of the Roscosmos state corporation, produces various items, including ammunition, solid-fuel rocket engine charges, and explosives for industrial purposes.
This is a state-owned defense industry plant that specializes in chemical technologies.
The local mayor called the incident a "bang" caused by a "technological process."
This new Russian jargon of "technological process", "emergency descent" and "planned smoke curtains" is fascinating.
* Altai FSC Federal Research center
https://english.nv.ua/nation/explosi...-50392982.html
This plant, part of the Roscosmos state corporation, produces various items, including ammunition, solid-fuel rocket engine charges, and explosives for industrial purposes.
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Unsurprising…
Russian "military correspondents" report that head of the Russian Black Sea Fleet might have lost his position after Ukraine sank the Caesar Kunikov.
His duties as commander of the Black Sea Fleet are currently being performed by his former chief of staff.
Russian "military correspondents" report that head of the Russian Black Sea Fleet might have lost his position after Ukraine sank the Caesar Kunikov.
His duties as commander of the Black Sea Fleet are currently being performed by his former chief of staff.
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Another Russian military research complex suffers and explosion
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The Netherlands to join the Drone programme for Ukraine.
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Another day another sacking, Russians are now reporting that Admiral Viktor Solov has been fired due to the sinking of the Caesar Kunikov.
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It looks like another large Russian convoy was hit in the Adviikva region.
Couldn't Biden preposition extra vehicles and weapons in support of NATO in the likes of Poland, build up a veritable stockpile of Bradley's, Patriot missiles, Stingers, Ammo etc, then if and when the budget is sorted, simply transfer them across the border into Ukraine? That would at least cut down the transportation time.
The Army’s prepositioned stock for Europe, called APS-2, include vehicles and weapons in Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, and Poland that U.S. troops can use without waiting weeks for their home-based equipment to arrive on ships.. By the late 1980s, the plan had evolved to pre-position Six Divisions of equipment in the Netherlands, Belgium and Germany.
https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2...forces/361530/
Looks like you were pre-empted there by half-a-century , Nutty. I believe that the REFORGER ( REturn of FORces to GERmany ) exercises conducted since the 60's relied on equipment in POMCUS sites ( (Prepositioning Of Materiel Configured in Unit Sets) set up 1960 onwards ).
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One would assume with the US troops already in position they are being used, one was thinking more along the lines of transferring stuff from stocks that Ukraine wants, at least to Poland in a back door sort of way, to get supplies to the region, then when the US finally get their thumbs out of their bums and ok the aid, they are already there and ready to go.
A bit "off-topic", though this dingy does not sound that good for the US it's carrier-based supremacy. Fire a couple of them to the mothership and it goes down to the bottom like Russian warships, having zero defense options against the Tsirkon. Could become pretty costly, losing both the carrier as well as its airplanes, having no place to go for landing.
I have a suspicion that various folks at NAVSEA (Naval Sea Systems Command) have been working on this issue for a while, and even as far back as after the attack on the USS Cole. (Yes, in the USN, CIWS used to have a surface attack capability, but I am some years out of date on that). Couldn't Biden preposition extra vehicles and weapons in support of NATO in the likes of Poland, build up a veritable stockpile of Bradley's, Patriot missiles, Stingers, Ammo etc, then if and when the budget is sorted, simply transfer them across the border into Ukraine? That would at least cut down the transportation time.
One would assume with the US troops already in position they are being used, one was thinking more along the lines of transferring stuff from stocks that Ukraine wants, at least to Poland in a back door sort of way, to get supplies to the region, then when the US finally get their thumbs out of their bums and ok the aid, they are already there and ready to go.
Does "being used" mean deployed from depots: but if so where? The M! and M2 definitely came from the US in desert camouflage.
EDIT: Re-read and speculate that maybe there are doctrines in place that don't allow POMCUS to be used for anything other than WW3 ( or WW3 exercises ) and so it was easier to use existing laws that allow the US to transfer defence stocks to allied powers at little or no cost other than transport ( as posited by LW50 above )
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Read it but didn't really understand it . You seem to be saying that the US should have foreseen this type of conflict - is that correct ? If you are, it doesn't seem very reasonable, as top military folk were still saying "Yes he will/, no he won't " in early Feb 2022.
Does "being used" mean deployed from depots: but if so where? The M! and M2 definitely came from the US in desert camouflage.
EDIT: Re-read and speculate that maybe there are doctrines in place that don't allow POMCUS to be used for anything other than WW3 ( or WW3 exercises ) and so it was easier to use existing laws that allow the US to transfer defence stocks to allied powers at little or no cost other than transport ( as posited by LW50 above )
Does "being used" mean deployed from depots: but if so where? The M! and M2 definitely came from the US in desert camouflage.
EDIT: Re-read and speculate that maybe there are doctrines in place that don't allow POMCUS to be used for anything other than WW3 ( or WW3 exercises ) and so it was easier to use existing laws that allow the US to transfer defence stocks to allied powers at little or no cost other than transport ( as posited by LW50 above )
In plainer English: if 20 Bradleys were to be moved from a POMCUS site to somewhere in Ukraine, 20 others would need to show up in a port somewhere, get on a ship, and make it across to (wherever that POMCUS site is) to return that warehouse's stock level to the required number.
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As a practical matter, someone in the J4 of the Joint Chiefs would need to figure out - if something like this were to be approved - a time line for the proposed depletion of POMCUS stock and the backfill by MTMC (or whatever acronym they use now) from CONUS (or other) assets.
In plainer English: if 20 Bradleys were to be moved from a POMCUS site to somewhere in Ukraine, 20 others would need to show up in a port somewhere, get on a ship, and make it across to (wherever that POMCUS site is) to return that warehouse's stock level to the required number.
In plainer English: if 20 Bradleys were to be moved from a POMCUS site to somewhere in Ukraine, 20 others would need to show up in a port somewhere, get on a ship, and make it across to (wherever that POMCUS site is) to return that warehouse's stock level to the required number.
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As a practical matter, someone in the J4 of the Joint Chiefs would need to figure out - if something like this were to be approved - a time line for the proposed depletion of POMCUS stock and the backfill by MTMC (or whatever acronym they use now) from CONUS (or other) assets.
In plainer English: if 20 Bradleys were to be moved from a POMCUS site to somewhere in Ukraine, 20 others would need to show up in a port somewhere, get on a ship, and make it across to (wherever that POMCUS site is) to return that warehouse's stock level to the required number.
In plainer English: if 20 Bradleys were to be moved from a POMCUS site to somewhere in Ukraine, 20 others would need to show up in a port somewhere, get on a ship, and make it across to (wherever that POMCUS site is) to return that warehouse's stock level to the required number.
Now say Ukraine in its list of wants has asked for 100 more Bradleys, is there anything to stop the US military transferring not 300 more but 400 more to Poland meaning they are over stocked by 100. I.E increasing the stock holding.
They are still on the US stockholdings so are not breaking any laws re the block on aid, but are right next door to Ukraine, so if and when the aid green light is given, they are already next to where they need to be and do not have to wait for 100 to be drawn from US stocks at home and shipped... does that make sense, same goes for everything else requested, it's just an inventory shift, moving items from the US storage to European storage ready for when requested and approved.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...n-war-planners
‘A lot higher than we expected’: Russian arms production worries Europe’s planners
Moscow has massively ramped up its industry, giving it advantages in the war and leading to a redistribution of wealth
‘A lot higher than we expected’: Russian arms production worries Europe’s planners
Moscow has massively ramped up its industry, giving it advantages in the war and leading to a redistribution of wealth
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Hmmm, a few thousand of those would be handy on Ukraine’s new generations of drones….
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/we...lide-munition/
GBU-69 Small Glide Munition
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/we...lide-munition/
GBU-69 Small Glide Munition
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...n-war-planners
‘A lot higher than we expected’: Russian arms production worries Europe’s planners
Moscow has massively ramped up its industry, giving it advantages in the war and leading to a redistribution of wealth
‘A lot higher than we expected’: Russian arms production worries Europe’s planners
Moscow has massively ramped up its industry, giving it advantages in the war and leading to a redistribution of wealth