Ukraine War Thread Part 2
Putin sees Ukraine as part of Russia and will act accordingly regardless of what we think so we have to address the realities of the situation. I asked the question because I find it hard visualise how the use of NATO forces can be used without there being a credible and sustainable end state. What are the options and what are the likely enemy responses?
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"I am suffocating, goodbye" and "I'm burning and I'm trapped under rubble, forgive me for everything" - These are the messages and calls that families of dead and injured Kharkiv residents received after today's Russian attack on Kharkiv. As of now, it is known that 5 people have died, 9 were injured and 5 more are missing.
"Putin's narrative has no validity outside of what he and his cohorts consider to be Russia's borders."
The rhetoric has been building actually since before the start of the Special War - it is scarily only a small step to invoke (using Stalin-era "logic", of which there seems to be a lot with current management) the concept of the Special War being necessary to eject an invalid regime from historically Russian lands, blah blah etc
Sold as a mini Great Patriotic War of sorts, if you will - and I suspect a lot of people might go along with it...
PS Providing kit (and even advisors perhaps, as long as a Uke actually pushes the buttons?) is one thing - foreign frontline "combat boots-on-the-ground" rather ups the ante however.
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Ukraine just successfully deployed an FPV drone with a semi-autonomous targeting system, meaning it is far less vulnerable to electronic warfare (which jams the connection between the pilot and the drone) than traditional FPV drones.
I'd expect this technology to rapidly mature.
Normally when an FPV drone flies into a jamming field and connection is lost between the pilot and the UAV the drone falls out of the sky.
With this new targeting system, the pilot is can designate a target which the FPV will attack even after connection is severed by jamming.
I'd expect this technology to rapidly mature.
Normally when an FPV drone flies into a jamming field and connection is lost between the pilot and the UAV the drone falls out of the sky.
With this new targeting system, the pilot is can designate a target which the FPV will attack even after connection is severed by jamming.
https://x.com/sternenko/status/17703...HhlFHGKbTPQr_A
“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”
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Because your comments imply that NATO's actions are playing into Putin's hands which is essentially saying "We shouldn't do this else make Putin mad".
It's no different from people that say we should negotiate with Putin presumably out of indifference, fear?
NATO should do what NATO needs to do and to hell with the invader.
It's no different from people that say we should negotiate with Putin presumably out of indifference, fear?
NATO should do what NATO needs to do and to hell with the invader.
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A representative of China's Ministry of Defense reportedly stated on Saturday that Beijing is "ready to intervene" if the United States (US) or North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) decides to attack Russia.(...)
Is that China's stated position, or just the mumblings of some official? Of course China wouldn't do anything without demanding something significant in return. Russia is already rightly wary of China, given recent reports on them wargaming an attack from that direction.
Surprisingly, some honesty on Russian tv.
Russian expert blurts out Putin plan on TV
https://www.krone.at/3298817
Russian expert blurts out Putin plan on TV
https://www.krone.at/3298817
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Only through expansion at whatever cost can Putin continue to hold on to political power, and to his own life.
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The control room of the Dnipro Dam took a direct hit from Russian missiles this morning.
The dam itself is intact.
That is the turbine/generator hall, not the control room. Control rooms on hydro plants are usually fairly small and tucked away in one corner. I suspect most of the smoke is from burning hydraulic oil inside the building and transformer oil outside. Neither is good.
Hmm, there is also significant damage on the other side/ top side.
The dam itself is intact.
That is the turbine/generator hall, not the control room. Control rooms on hydro plants are usually fairly small and tucked away in one corner. I suspect most of the smoke is from burning hydraulic oil inside the building and transformer oil outside. Neither is good.
Hmm, there is also significant damage on the other side/ top side.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
During this morning's attack on Ukraine, a Russian missile targeted the Zaporizhzhia Hydro Power Plant dam. The dam is holding on, but the missile hit the trolley with people headed to their early work shift.
There is no threat of the dam breach - states "Ukrhydroenergo" operating the said power plant.
"The fire at the station continues. Emergency services and electrical engineers are working on site fighting the aftermass of the numerous airstrikes. There is no threat of a breach. The situation at the dam of the station is under control,"the company stated.
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“The largest attack on the Ukrainian energy sector recently. Russian forces fired more than 60 Shahed drones and almost 90 missiles last night” - President Zelenskyy.
What we know as of now:
▪️ Kharkiv. Russians have carried out more than 15 attacks on energy facilities, and the city is almost without electricity.
▪️ Zaporizhzhia. Russians launched 12 missile attacks. Infrastructure facilities and civilian buildings were damaged, and there are casualties. Dnipro HPP was targeted.
▪️ Kryvyi Rih and Sumy region. Emergency shutdown schedules are introduced.
▪️ Vinnytsia, Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk, and Khmelnytskyi regions. Another attack on a critical infrastructure facility.
▪️ Poltava region. Preventive shutdowns of substations have been applied and a schedule of emergency shutdowns has been introduced. Power engineers are working to restore power supply.
There is no threat of the dam breach - states "Ukrhydroenergo" operating the said power plant.
"The fire at the station continues. Emergency services and electrical engineers are working on site fighting the aftermass of the numerous airstrikes. There is no threat of a breach. The situation at the dam of the station is under control,"the company stated.
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“The largest attack on the Ukrainian energy sector recently. Russian forces fired more than 60 Shahed drones and almost 90 missiles last night” - President Zelenskyy.
What we know as of now:
▪️ Kharkiv. Russians have carried out more than 15 attacks on energy facilities, and the city is almost without electricity.
▪️ Zaporizhzhia. Russians launched 12 missile attacks. Infrastructure facilities and civilian buildings were damaged, and there are casualties. Dnipro HPP was targeted.
▪️ Kryvyi Rih and Sumy region. Emergency shutdown schedules are introduced.
▪️ Vinnytsia, Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk, and Khmelnytskyi regions. Another attack on a critical infrastructure facility.
▪️ Poltava region. Preventive shutdowns of substations have been applied and a schedule of emergency shutdowns has been introduced. Power engineers are working to restore power supply.
What the heck.. ?!
US has urged Ukraine to halt strikes on Russian oil refineries
https://www.ft.com/content/98f15b60-...7-cbdde122ac0c
Excerpt:
"The US has urged Ukraine to halt attacks on Russia’s energy infrastructure, warning the drone strikes risk driving up global oil prices and provoking retaliation, according to three people familiar with the discussions. The repeated warnings from Washington were delivered to senior officials at Ukraine’s state security service, the SBU, and its military intelligence directorate, known as the GUR, the people told the Financial Times.
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True or Rumour/Fake?
US has urged Ukraine to halt strikes on Russian oil refineries
https://www.ft.com/content/98f15b60-...7-cbdde122ac0c
Excerpt:
"The US has urged Ukraine to halt attacks on Russia’s energy infrastructure, warning the drone strikes risk driving up global oil prices and provoking retaliation, according to three people familiar with the discussions. The repeated warnings from Washington were delivered to senior officials at Ukraine’s state security service, the SBU, and its military intelligence directorate, known as the GUR, the people told the Financial Times.
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True or Rumour/Fake?
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Reactor back down to running on standby diesel generators….
⚡️Energoatom: Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant on verge of blackout.
The Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, Europe’s largest nuclear power station currently occupied by Russia, is in an “extremely dangerous” situation following a Russian mass missile attack on Ukraine’s energy infrastructure on March 22, Energoatom announced.
⚡️Energoatom: Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant on verge of blackout.
The Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, Europe’s largest nuclear power station currently occupied by Russia, is in an “extremely dangerous” situation following a Russian mass missile attack on Ukraine’s energy infrastructure on March 22, Energoatom announced.
“Nothing terrifies a sitting American president more than a rise in fuel prices during an election year,” said Bob McNally, president of consulting firm Rapidan Energy and a former White House energy adviser.