Ukraine War Thread Part 2
Yes, but what I am suggesting is say the stocks held in Poland amount to 500 Bradleys, and the Army on arrival utilise 300, so the US would need to add 300 more to bring the stored stocks back up to date.
Now say Ukraine in its list of wants has asked for 100 more Bradleys, is there anything to stop the US military transferring not 300 more but 400 more to Poland meaning they are over stocked by 100. I.E increasing the stock holding.
They are still on the US stockholdings so are not breaking any laws re the block on aid, but are right next door to Ukraine, so if and when the aid green light is given, they are already next to where they need to be and do not have to wait for 100 to be drawn from US stocks at home and shipped... does that make sense, same goes for everything else requested, it's just an inventory shift, moving items from the US storage to European storage ready for when requested and approved.
Now say Ukraine in its list of wants has asked for 100 more Bradleys, is there anything to stop the US military transferring not 300 more but 400 more to Poland meaning they are over stocked by 100. I.E increasing the stock holding.
They are still on the US stockholdings so are not breaking any laws re the block on aid, but are right next door to Ukraine, so if and when the aid green light is given, they are already next to where they need to be and do not have to wait for 100 to be drawn from US stocks at home and shipped... does that make sense, same goes for everything else requested, it's just an inventory shift, moving items from the US storage to European storage ready for when requested and approved.
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How Ukraine’s crop exports rebounded from war’s devastation
The strategy behind Ukraine's attacks on Russian warships and marine facilities and radars.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/worl...ure-black-sea/
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/worl...ure-black-sea/
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I ask mainly to enquire just how closely the military body feels the need to nail down every step forward.
Yes, but what I am suggesting is say the stocks held in Poland amount to 500 Bradleys, and the Army on arrival utilise 300, so the US would need to add 300 more to bring the stored stocks back up to date. Now say Ukraine in its list of wants has asked for 100 more Bradleys, is there anything to stop the US military transferring not 300 more but 400 more to Poland meaning they are over stocked by 100. I.E increasing the stock holding.
Not saying that it could not be done, but this is the kind of large muscle movement that gets many parties interested as it influences readiness posture in a material manner. (Also, if any of the fall in units are committed to NATO op plans, that would need to be worked out with (at least a courtesy brief, maybe more) in Brussels (NATO HQ, but maybe only in Mons at SACEUR) via the usual Mil-to-Mil contacts.
Depends on how many factories catch fire, I suppose.
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A lot depends on sanctions, cutting off Russia ability to purchase modern technology such as sighting, jamming and all the electronics involved in modern armour. Then is finance, kill Russias means of sustaining the war by destroying their oil industry and hence their GDP. You are then on the way to destroying the means to fight a sustained war.
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Looking at that spending, I recall that trying to match the US in space progress back in the seventies and eighties was a contributor to the break-up of the USSR. They were effectively bankrupt.
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European coalition to rush FPV drones to Ukraine
LONDON — European nations are setting up a drone coalition, led by Latvia and Britain, to supply and support the production of thousands of first-person-view drones for the Ukrainian military.
Denmark, Estonia, Germany, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Sweden and Ukraine signed a letter of intent alongside Latvia to join the drone coalition Feb 14th. The number of countries swelled further on Feb. 15 when the U.K. announced it was also joining the grouping as co-leader with Latvia.
“Along with the existing countries that have already joined the drone coalition, the U.K. will make a significant contribution by supporting Ukraine both with technology and helping to develop skills,” said Latvian defense minister Andris Sprūds.
The drone coalition intends to deliver one million drones to Ukraine, said the Latvian MoD in a statement. No timeline for the drone deliveries was given by officials in Riga….
“By signing the letter of intent, countries have agreed to commit resources for manufacturing of drones and will deliver these drones and spare parts to Ukraine, where they will be tested,” said the Latvian MoD.
The British will be the lead nation for scaling up and streamlining the West’s provision of the miniature drones to Ukraine. A spokesperson for the British MoD declined to give any details beyond saying a drone procurement process will be announced in due course.
As for Latvia’s role, the country is expected to host a drone school for Ukrainian operators and establish a test range to check the performance of drones, the British spokesperson said.
British Defence Secretary Gregg Shapps said the U.K. was already Kyiv’s largest drone supplier and had earmarked £200 million ($252 million) this year to manufacturing drones of various types destined for the battlefield.
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak announced in January that aside from small, low-cost, uncrewed air vehicles the Ministry of Defence would be buying long-range strike, sea drones and other types under the pledge.….
The British MoD said it would be running an industry competition to produce large numbers of the drones at an affordable price.
The Royal United Services Institute think tank in London estimated last year that Ukraine was losing 10,000 unmanned aerial vehicles a month.
European coalition to rush FPV drones to Ukraine
LONDON — European nations are setting up a drone coalition, led by Latvia and Britain, to supply and support the production of thousands of first-person-view drones for the Ukrainian military.
Denmark, Estonia, Germany, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Sweden and Ukraine signed a letter of intent alongside Latvia to join the drone coalition Feb 14th. The number of countries swelled further on Feb. 15 when the U.K. announced it was also joining the grouping as co-leader with Latvia.
“Along with the existing countries that have already joined the drone coalition, the U.K. will make a significant contribution by supporting Ukraine both with technology and helping to develop skills,” said Latvian defense minister Andris Sprūds.
The drone coalition intends to deliver one million drones to Ukraine, said the Latvian MoD in a statement. No timeline for the drone deliveries was given by officials in Riga….
“By signing the letter of intent, countries have agreed to commit resources for manufacturing of drones and will deliver these drones and spare parts to Ukraine, where they will be tested,” said the Latvian MoD.
The British will be the lead nation for scaling up and streamlining the West’s provision of the miniature drones to Ukraine. A spokesperson for the British MoD declined to give any details beyond saying a drone procurement process will be announced in due course.
As for Latvia’s role, the country is expected to host a drone school for Ukrainian operators and establish a test range to check the performance of drones, the British spokesperson said.
British Defence Secretary Gregg Shapps said the U.K. was already Kyiv’s largest drone supplier and had earmarked £200 million ($252 million) this year to manufacturing drones of various types destined for the battlefield.
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak announced in January that aside from small, low-cost, uncrewed air vehicles the Ministry of Defence would be buying long-range strike, sea drones and other types under the pledge.….
The British MoD said it would be running an industry competition to produce large numbers of the drones at an affordable price.
The Royal United Services Institute think tank in London estimated last year that Ukraine was losing 10,000 unmanned aerial vehicles a month.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...n-war-planners
‘A lot higher than we expected’: Russian arms production worries Europe’s planners
Moscow has massively ramped up its industry, giving it advantages in the war and leading to a redistribution of wealth
‘A lot higher than we expected’: Russian arms production worries Europe’s planners
Moscow has massively ramped up its industry, giving it advantages in the war and leading to a redistribution of wealth
https://www.defensenews.com/global/e...es-to-ukraine/
European coalition to rush FPV drones to Ukraine
The Royal United Services Institute think tank in London estimated last year that Ukraine was losing 10,000 unmanned aerial vehicles a month.
European coalition to rush FPV drones to Ukraine
The Royal United Services Institute think tank in London estimated last year that Ukraine was losing 10,000 unmanned aerial vehicles a month.
Creating a munition / vehicle interface.
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I don't know the difference in effectiveness between a hypersonic anti-ship cruise missile and a hypersonic ballistic missile, but UKA ground-air systems have proved that they can shoot down the latter, so we definitely shouldn't accept Putin's sales talk of "unstoppable, invincible " weapons.
Russia used an advanced hypersonic missile for the first time in recent strike, Ukraine claims
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Although air defenses have brought down Iskander missiles in the past, it is believed that Ukraine has failed to intercept a single Kh-22 in almost two years of war. Speaking in December, Ukrainian Air Force spokesperson Yurii Ihnat said that Russia had fired almost 300 Kh-22s so far in the war.
..... But those are less-advanced than the Zircon.
..... But those are less-advanced than the Zircon.
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You are not being at all realistic. Being in POMCUS is 100% US property, and control, transferring them to Ukrainian control /use ( and possible destruction ) is 100% something else. Some organisations might faciitate that, but it doesn't seem tht the the US can/would.. If you don't agree , give examples of where it has been done.
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Not so much, Western (??) experts claim the unstoppable aspect and it seems to be confirmed in Ukraine practice:
Russia used an advanced hypersonic missile for the first time in recent strike, Ukraine claims
Russia used an advanced hypersonic missile for the first time in recent strike, Ukraine claims
EDIT:https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ls-2023-05-16/
KYIV, May 16 (Reuters) - Ukraine said on Tuesday it had shot down six Russian Kinzhal missiles in a single night, thwarting a weapon Moscow has touted as a next-generation hypersonic missile that was all but unstoppable.
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Russian in Adviikva are 7:1 against Ukrainians. 
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Not my words, because words fail me in this situation.
We are not endless. Our Defenders die. They cannot come back. The war in Ukraine is not a local war somewhere far away. It's a huge and horrible war in Europe. And that's a war that will reach other peaceful countries. Don't wait for it to come to your home. #ArmUkraineToWin
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???? Fresh ration deliveries? Ignore the posters comments as they are pro russian