Ukraine War Thread Part 2
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The Polish Air Navigation Agency has introduced a NOTAM warning for airspace users at the request of the military. The warning is related to hostilities in Ukraine.
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"Last phase of 2023 offensive: fierce fighting by the 3rd Brigade on the way to liberating Andriivka"
"Last phase of 2023 offensive: fierce fighting by the 3rd Brigade on the way to liberating Andriivka"
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Dead Men Can’t Fly
I must admit I do find it strange some of the reactions to the aircraft Captain being killed on here, simply because he wasn’t killed performing his duty.
As said already, he is a combatant and regardless of if he is flying or not, he it still fair game.
If you cannot take out the aircraft, take out the pilots which is the better option, take out an aircraft on the ground you can stick the pilot in another aircraft, take out the pilot and then those aircraft cannot fly and not only that you in effect take out the whole crew.
The reaction is almost as if the pilots amongst you are realising you could be killed before getting airborne and you see that as bad form.
There was a reason in Germany why they used an APC to transfer Sqn Pilots to the aircraft from the hard, it was because they were the weakest link.
The way they can target the likes of an APC or hard these days, it would probably be smarter to have the pilots dispersed in HAS or wherever with their aircraft, who knows they may do that these days.
More on his shooting.
https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1753917748600504553
As said already, he is a combatant and regardless of if he is flying or not, he it still fair game.
If you cannot take out the aircraft, take out the pilots which is the better option, take out an aircraft on the ground you can stick the pilot in another aircraft, take out the pilot and then those aircraft cannot fly and not only that you in effect take out the whole crew.
The reaction is almost as if the pilots amongst you are realising you could be killed before getting airborne and you see that as bad form.
There was a reason in Germany why they used an APC to transfer Sqn Pilots to the aircraft from the hard, it was because they were the weakest link.
The way they can target the likes of an APC or hard these days, it would probably be smarter to have the pilots dispersed in HAS or wherever with their aircraft, who knows they may do that these days.
More on his shooting.
https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1753917748600504553
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That was one worry, LSD introduced to the water supply by some Russian sympathisers resulting in a bunch of stoned troops live armed.
Re #8246 above:
Pro-Russian sources are now claiming to have recaptured Andriivka.
Pro-Russian sources are now claiming to have recaptured Andriivka.
Killed while on duty is one thing. Killed while on leave is another. While still a combatant I still find it distasteful and it would be considered more distasteful if it was a British or US serviceman. But then war is war and politics the remit of the good guy I guess.
These are the guys who have dropped WP on civilians, used baro weapons, destroyed dams, threatened all and sundry with their nukes... I can't even find reason to have sympathy for them being Russians.
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No, it does not. The pilots you refer to were invariably captured and, consequently, 'hors de combat' for the duration. These pilots were, no doubt, about to embark on further missions, raining death and destruction on innocent civilians. I have no sympathy whatsoever. There is also the psyops effect to consider - if it makes one other bomber pilot think twice about deliberately missing a target or defecting then that is an added bonus.
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Near the beginning of this thread and Mr Putin's AWF (all-out war of frustration) on Ukraine, there was a snippet of dialogue between two Russian pilots about to drop a large dumb bomb onto Ukraine, and they filled the airwaves with discriminatory epithets for the hapless Ukrainians on the other end. Brainwashed aircrew? I don't know, but it sounded as if they had no questions and no conscience, and were enjoying their task.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Strange how we are asked to feel outraged at one Russian bomber crewman being shot in the street, but would applaud 30+ being killed simultaneously by a Storm Shadow strike during an attack on their base HQ during a mission planning brief…
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What goes around, comes around…HIMARS strike on hospitality venue "Adriatika" in occupied Lysychansk in Luhansk Oblast on 3 February "destroyed dozens of "LPR" officials, including emergency services Minister Aleksey Potelshenko, public prosecutors, policemen, local deputies and defectors".
According to Russian sources, the strike was adjusted by someone present at the venue or nearby, knowing the positions of the attendees.
The information about the strike emerged on Russian news channels with the context that it was a random civilian bakery that was attacked.
Official news present this as a strike against civilians, however, leaks from smaller Russian channels reveal that it was a congregation of big local names that was targeted. A birthday party was being held there. However, it is claimed that some civilians, perhaps relatives of the officials, were also casualties of this strike.
There are names of the targets floating about but these are not confirmed.
Ukraine did not take responsibility for this strike. Claims that HIMARS missiles were used come from the Russian side.
According to Russian sources, the strike was adjusted by someone present at the venue or nearby, knowing the positions of the attendees.
The information about the strike emerged on Russian news channels with the context that it was a random civilian bakery that was attacked.
Official news present this as a strike against civilians, however, leaks from smaller Russian channels reveal that it was a congregation of big local names that was targeted. A birthday party was being held there. However, it is claimed that some civilians, perhaps relatives of the officials, were also casualties of this strike.
There are names of the targets floating about but these are not confirmed.
Ukraine did not take responsibility for this strike. Claims that HIMARS missiles were used come from the Russian side.
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Nuremburg saw the Nazi heads tried for warcrimes and executed, who is to say Ukraine never held a trail for his war crimes in his absence, found him guilty and executed him.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Nuremburg saw the Nazi heads tried for warcrimes and executed, who is to say Ukraine never held a trail for his war crimes in his absence, found him guilty and executed him.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Russian soldier fatally wounded by a drone dropped incendiary salutes the drone operator before he dies.
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Warning, graphic content.
Not a fair comparison. Obviously Putin is the instigator of all this pain and suffering and would be a valid target, and even if not valid his removal could bring the end of hostilities so I think the moral question is answered for us.
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Danish Defense Intelligence Service threat assessment finds it “very likely” that Russia intends to use actual military means to challenge NATO.
Previous assessment was it would only use hybrid capabilities.
https://www.berlingske.dk/politik/ny...ruge-militaere
Previous assessment was it would only use hybrid capabilities.
https://www.berlingske.dk/politik/ny...ruge-militaere
No, it does not. The pilots you refer to were invariably captured and, consequently, 'hors de combat' for the duration. These pilots were, no doubt, about to embark on further missions, raining death and destruction on innocent civilians. I have no sympathy whatsoever. There is also the psyops effect to consider - if it makes one other bomber pilot think twice about deliberately missing a target or defecting then that is an added bonus.
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I was countering Sallyann's argument in that if you want to go the execution route, it has basis in history, I believe as already said he was a legitimate target.
The question of the killing of a Russian Combatant is surely for the pages of the Jet Blast Thread.
Although I would like to add, that my concern with a couple of comments has to do with the fact that he was killed outside of the base in Russia.
It would seem that the Western Political narrative that killing Russians inside of Russia is an escalation and must therefore stymie the Ukrainian war effort.
This is being gamed by the Russians and those who lack fortitude.
Lets be really honest with each other here, the Russians are calling it an SMO...it isn't its a War.
A war of survival for the Ukrainians.
Taking the War to the homes of Russian servicemen is a big wake up call to the Russians.
We applaud our spies in the 1940s in occupied Europe, we should also me applauding the SF teams deep in Russia.
Slava Ukraini
Although I would like to add, that my concern with a couple of comments has to do with the fact that he was killed outside of the base in Russia.
It would seem that the Western Political narrative that killing Russians inside of Russia is an escalation and must therefore stymie the Ukrainian war effort.
This is being gamed by the Russians and those who lack fortitude.
Lets be really honest with each other here, the Russians are calling it an SMO...it isn't its a War.
A war of survival for the Ukrainians.
Taking the War to the homes of Russian servicemen is a big wake up call to the Russians.
We applaud our spies in the 1940s in occupied Europe, we should also me applauding the SF teams deep in Russia.
Slava Ukraini
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