During my short tour in Wildenrath Ops in ‘73, there was a Station Exercise during which the retiring OC RAF Regiment ran his part of the exercise dressed in full mess dress. The exercise initially was very short as he had sent some of his red team to the off station officer married quarters hiring shortly before the hooter went off at O dark hundred hours and they “shot” everyone exiting the buildings and telling the corpses to go back to bed. I can’t recall what happened after this inject, but it really pointed out the weakness of the system. As an aside I did hear a rumour that somebody had dumped a bottle of vodka into the chilled orange juice container on the “Bridge” but don’t quote me on that

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That was one worry, LSD introduced to the water supply by some Russian sympathisers resulting in a bunch of stoned troops live armed.

Re #8246 above:

Pro-Russian sources are now claiming to have recaptured Andriivka.

Yet the same pilot who we are to have sympathy for being targeted due to his actions in a criminal and murderous action against civilians, he is not held accountable for what he has already done routinely and what he would otherwise do? Sorry, no vote of sympathy for this guy or any other Russians that have taken action to kill civilians. If he is on leave, he is resting to go and murder more civilians at a later date, so taking him out of contention is an act of self defence.

These are the guys who have dropped WP on civilians, used baro weapons, destroyed dams, threatened all and sundry with their nukes... I can't even find reason to have sympathy for them being Russians.

No, it does not. The pilots you refer to were invariably captured and, consequently, 'hors de combat' for the duration. These pilots were, no doubt, about to embark on further missions, raining death and destruction on innocent civilians. I have no sympathy whatsoever. There is also the psyops effect to consider - if it makes one other bomber pilot think twice about deliberately missing a target or defecting then that is an added bonus.

Not for one second.

Near the beginning of this thread and Mr Putin's AWF (all-out war of frustration) on Ukraine, there was a snippet of dialogue between two Russian pilots about to drop a large dumb bomb onto Ukraine, and they filled the airwaves with discriminatory epithets for the hapless Ukrainians on the other end. Brainwashed aircrew? I don't know, but it sounded as if they had no questions and no conscience, and were enjoying their task.

Strange how we are asked to feel outraged at one Russian bomber crewman being shot in the street, but would applaud 30+ being killed simultaneously by a Storm Shadow strike during an attack on their base HQ during a mission planning brief…

What goes around, comes around…HIMARS strike on hospitality venue "Adriatika" in occupied Lysychansk in Luhansk Oblast on 3 February "destroyed dozens of "LPR" officials, including emergency services Minister Aleksey Potelshenko, public prosecutors, policemen, local deputies and defectors".

According to Russian sources, the strike was adjusted by someone present at the venue or nearby, knowing the positions of the attendees.

The information about the strike emerged on Russian news channels with the context that it was a random civilian bakery that was attacked.

Official news present this as a strike against civilians, however, leaks from smaller Russian channels reveal that it was a congregation of big local names that was targeted. A birthday party was being held there. However, it is claimed that some civilians, perhaps relatives of the officials, were also casualties of this strike.

There are names of the targets floating about but these are not confirmed.

Ukraine did not take responsibility for this strike. Claims that HIMARS missiles were used come from the Russian side.


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Nuremburg saw the Nazi heads tried for warcrimes and executed, who is to say Ukraine never held a trail for his war crimes in his absence, found him guilty and executed him.

Executed? He was a member of the military who was killed by the enemy - that fact that he was shot in the street is no different than if he had been hit by a drone on the battlefield. With, I might add, no collateral damage which a drone or bomb would have inflicted.

Russian soldier fatally wounded by a drone dropped incendiary salutes the drone operator before he dies.

Warning, graphic content.

Not a fair comparison. Obviously Putin is the instigator of all this pain and suffering and would be a valid target, and even if not valid his removal could bring the end of hostilities so I think the moral question is answered for us.

Danish Defense Intelligence Service threat assessment finds it “very likely” that Russia intends to use actual military means to challenge NATO.

Previous assessment was it would only use hybrid capabilities.
https://www.berlingske.dk/politik/ny...ruge-militaere

Only captured if it was an away game! Otherwise recycled.

I was countering Sallyann's argument in that if you want to go the execution route, it has basis in history, I believe as already said he was a legitimate target.

The question of the killing of a Russian Combatant is surely for the pages of the Jet Blast Thread.
Although I would like to add, that my concern with a couple of comments has to do with the fact that he was killed outside of the base in Russia.

It would seem that the Western Political narrative that killing Russians inside of Russia is an escalation and must therefore stymie the Ukrainian war effort.
This is being gamed by the Russians and those who lack fortitude.
Lets be really honest with each other here, the Russians are calling it an SMO...it isn't its a War.
A war of survival for the Ukrainians.
Taking the War to the homes of Russian servicemen is a big wake up call to the Russians.
We applaud our spies in the 1940s in occupied Europe, we should also me applauding the SF teams deep in Russia.
Slava Ukraini

So does that make those that shot the pilot terrorists, insurgents or freedom fighters?

“In future packages of military assistance, Ukraine is looking for F-16 aircraft equipped with missiles with a range of 300-500 kilometers” .- Commander of the United Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Lieutenant General Sergiy Naev.

https://www.rbc.ua/rus/news/naev-ano...707120121.html

Not sure that weapon actually exists. JASSM is only one and cant see the US giving up any of those, unless they are going use storm shadow / scalp instead of the SU-24's