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Fair enough, he has an election early next year and has to play to his domestic audience. However, he must realise that France needs the US,UK and AU far more in the Pacific, than they need France.
https://www.skynews.com.au/world-new...658264b570e847
The phone exchange between the two leaders was largely tense where Mr Macron doubled down on his comments Australia had "broken the relation of trust between our two countries..It is now up to the Australian Government to propose tangible actions that embody the political will of Australia's highest authorities to redefine the bias of our bilateral relationship and continue join action in the Indo-Pacific," the Elysee Palace said.
https://www.skynews.com.au/world-new...658264b570e847
The phone exchange between the two leaders was largely tense where Mr Macron doubled down on his comments Australia had "broken the relation of trust between our two countries..It is now up to the Australian Government to propose tangible actions that embody the political will of Australia's highest authorities to redefine the bias of our bilateral relationship and continue join action in the Indo-Pacific," the Elysee Palace said.
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Originally Posted by rattman
Not sure that new news in any form, the plans have always been the nuclear plant and engineering would be built somewhere else, shipped to aus then mated with the rest. The actuall % could be new info considering collins something like 60% local, I think 60% local on a nuclear would be completely unrealistic
The way I read the latest story was it was being suggested that Oz would build the entire front half, the US the entire back half, and then they'd be mated.
Both the Virginia and Astute boats are assembled in modules after all, so I suppose it's technically possible.
And if the RAN does get the Virginia class, it may be a way of addressing the production line constraints at Newport News, due to USN orders.
But how you'd get half a sub down here, or up there... maybe I'm reading it too literally.
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Originally Posted by tartare
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But how you'd get half a sub down here, or up there... maybe I'm reading it too literally.
But how you'd get half a sub down here, or up there... maybe I'm reading it too literally.
http://www.seapixonline.com/NSImages...17-10-2012.jpg
That maybe impractical because they dont want to float the section so they might make into 3-4 bits, reactor, 1-2 engineering sections and the propulsor and just use a crane to load and unload from a bulk carrier. Now that I think about sections is the way easier than a lift ship
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Originally Posted by tartare
The way I read the latest story was it was being suggested that Oz would build the entire front half, the US the entire back half, and then they'd be mated.
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HMS Astute has just arrived in Perth. What a coincidence. Expect to see an announcement of her being based there in the not too distant future or even transferred to the RAN
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Originally Posted by golder
Fair enough, he has an election early next year and has to play to his domestic audience. However, he must realise that France needs the US,UK and AU far more in the Pacific, than they need France.
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Originally Posted by Navaleye
HMS Astute has just arrived in Perth. What a coincidence. Expect to see an announcement of her being based there in the not too distant future or even transferred to the RAN
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Originally Posted by Navaleye
HMS Astute has just arrived in Perth. What a coincidence. Expect to see an announcement of her being based there in the not too distant future or even transferred to the RAN
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Originally Posted by rattman
One of the jobs is the escort of carriers, if/ when POW is based in Oman can see its escort spending its spare time in australia
*Coordinated ASW is the phrase you want. On which note, I wonder if any ASW related programmes are part of AUKUS? RAN ASW helicopters have taken part in UK/NATO exercises.
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Originally Posted by WE Branch Fanatic
Not sure how you use a submarine as an escort*, but you do have a point.
*Coordinated ASW is the phrase you want. On which note, I wonder if any ASW related programmes are part of AUKUS? RAN ASW helicopters have taken part in UK/NATO exercises.
*Coordinated ASW is the phrase you want. On which note, I wonder if any ASW related programmes are part of AUKUS? RAN ASW helicopters have taken part in UK/NATO exercises.
as to the ASW australia has been focusing on it, with the new M-60R's and 14 posiedens
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Not so much escort as consort. Saying the carrier has escorts suggests that the other warships in a task group just defend the carrier, and that the carrier is passive. Submarines and frigates (in RN terminology) work in conjunction with the ASW helicopters. Continuously operating ASW helicopters around the clock requires a big deck with multiple aircraft.
Likewise a carrier's fighters are frequently controlled by an AAW destroyer.
All of this provides a defence over a large area, and the carrier may be used to protect things like amphibious forces or seaborne logistics - which was the main role of US and UK carriers during the Cold War, and is coming back to the fore in a new era of great power competition.
There must be a better term than 'escort'.
Likewise a carrier's fighters are frequently controlled by an AAW destroyer.
All of this provides a defence over a large area, and the carrier may be used to protect things like amphibious forces or seaborne logistics - which was the main role of US and UK carriers during the Cold War, and is coming back to the fore in a new era of great power competition.
There must be a better term than 'escort'.
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Originally Posted by WE Branch Fanatic
There must be a better term than 'escort'.
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Originally Posted by rattman
as to the ASW australia has been focusing on it, with the new M-60R's and 14 posiedens
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Article in the New York Times today expressing doubt over the whole project. Starting to look like too much submarine. No way are they going to be built in Adelaide. That is fantasy land.Hope this is not a fiasco in the making. Did everybody have their grownup pants on when they signed up for it ??
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Originally Posted by Alt Flieger
. Starting to look like too much submarine. No way are they going to be built in Adelaide. That is fantasy land.Hope this is not a fiasco in the making
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Originally Posted by tartare
Guess it's just interpretation.
The way I read the latest story was it was being suggested that Oz would build the entire front half, the US the entire back half, and then they'd be mated.
Both the Virginia and Astute boats are assembled in modules after all, so I suppose it's technically possible.
The way I read the latest story was it was being suggested that Oz would build the entire front half, the US the entire back half, and then they'd be mated.
Both the Virginia and Astute boats are assembled in modules after all, so I suppose it's technically possible.
Do both share the same Crossection?
If not who wins?
Or do you always go for the bigger of the two dimensions?
In an always cramped Sub if you need to squeeze your crap in a narrower or lower Hull, all Off- the- Shelf goes out the window and you start basically from scratch. Also all the piping and wiring will be a nightmare to combine.
This approach clearly sounds 'interesting'.
