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"I haven’t heard much about is how the US and UK were convinced to hand over the Crown Jewels of submarine technology"
A great deal is secret of course but I'm pretty sure the Russians have access to most of it anyway - the real challenge is BUILDING the boats according to the spec.......
A great deal is secret of course but I'm pretty sure the Russians have access to most of it anyway - the real challenge is BUILDING the boats according to the spec.......
Looking further hard to see if its was actually signed or still under negoiation. If it was under negoiation its a dead duck
That was a news report from the 10th a few days before aukus
French warships and troops would be given guaranteed access to Australian naval bases and military sites under a proposal being discussed by both countries, as the federal government moves to lock in the next stage of its troubled $90 billion future submarine program next week.
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French helicopters are fighting wars all over the world, looks like the ozzie armed forces are not up to the job ! I wonder how would you deal with nuke subs ?
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The French will eventually need close alignment in the Pacific to counter China. Their EEZ's around their territories will at a convenient stage, be targeted by China. It's a pity Australia and France couldn't work through their differences: one wanted a submarine capability and the other a "relationship" with bottomless finance to provide shipyard jobs in Brittany.
BTW. Germany is looking to ditch their Tiger helicopters too. That's if they can get past the Franco-German politics and buy American. Or perhaps they'd prefer not to upset France and have 8 of 50 Tigers available at any time?
BTW. Germany is looking to ditch their Tiger helicopters too. That's if they can get past the Franco-German politics and buy American. Or perhaps they'd prefer not to upset France and have 8 of 50 Tigers available at any time?
America may even follow Australia’s lead by fielding a similar Gulfstream-based replacement for their EC-130 Compass Call electronic warfare aircraft.
Why should France need any bases in Australia ? France has territories in all oceans on earth, why do we need anything from you
PS: you going to turn up at Pitch Black 2022?
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And France needs to maintain a presence in the Pacific exactly why ?
Fond memories of a long distant past ?
Take away the Force de Frappe and France is only a middle power with no power projection capability.
Why do they pretend they are are a tier 1 power ? What is the strategic justification?
We should have gone with the Soryu class.
The French contract was always a dumb idea.
Fond memories of a long distant past ?
Take away the Force de Frappe and France is only a middle power with no power projection capability.
Why do they pretend they are are a tier 1 power ? What is the strategic justification?
We should have gone with the Soryu class.
The French contract was always a dumb idea.
Even though France needs Australian bases, more than Australia needs France. Military to military alliances don't work like that and will be fine at the end of the day. These 2 clowns, playing for re-election early next year. Will sooner or later be out of office. I'll be surprised if Rafales weren't at Pitch Black next year.
In respect to balboa1968, please do not scare him off. I haven't laughed so hard for a long time. I can not think of anything more funny than an arrogant ignoramus . The arrogance of a Frenchman (we are the best lovers, drinkers, smokers, fighters, viva la France) combined with the ignorance of an American (we won WW1, WW11, and have saved the world and continue to do so) is a comic combination that is unbeatable.
"Take away the Force de Frappe and France is only a middle power with no power projection capability."
Could say much the same about one of the other AUSUS partners I guess - but the French would point out they actually own their missiles - they don't rent them by the hour
Could say much the same about one of the other AUSUS partners I guess - but the French would point out they actually own their missiles - they don't rent them by the hour
Drain Bamaged
lol
Say whatever you want about French loosing wars. Doesn't matter who helped or not along the way, fact is France is still called France, still French speaking with its French culture, food, etc...
Grow some balls, stop complaining and just do like them:
Have your own aviation, missile, boat, submarine industries so you can keep your "Independence" and choose whatever weird local options you want to add to your war toys.
Oops... Sorry, you cannot! But you will still going to blame the French because it's fashionable
Say whatever you want about French loosing wars. Doesn't matter who helped or not along the way, fact is France is still called France, still French speaking with its French culture, food, etc...
Grow some balls, stop complaining and just do like them:
Have your own aviation, missile, boat, submarine industries so you can keep your "Independence" and choose whatever weird local options you want to add to your war toys.
Oops... Sorry, you cannot! But you will still going to blame the French because it's fashionable
We do like to have Tier 1 toys though, unlike France. We can also keep an aircraft in the air. After a French Google, your aircraft availability is in the 50% range. Even Russia does better than that. You guys still can't get an engine to work.
Haute intensité : L'aviation de combat française présente des fragilités qui peinent à se réduire - Zone Militaire
“Taking into account the issues related to the engine and the level of operational support [NSO], the operational technical availability [DTO] of the Rafale [air and navy] reached 55.8% in the first half of 2021. The Mirage D availability, 32.4%
Haute intensité : L'aviation de combat française présente des fragilités qui peinent à se réduire - Zone Militaire
“Taking into account the issues related to the engine and the level of operational support [NSO], the operational technical availability [DTO] of the Rafale [air and navy] reached 55.8% in the first half of 2021. The Mirage D availability, 32.4%
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The french ambassador addressed the national press club. Tried to watch it but after 20 minutes of whinning and lieing about the sub deal just turned it off
Kept going on about how france was giving australia "national secrets" about it nuclear subs. Also omitted they are submitting the same design to india P-75i, so giving them to india as well
Kept going on about how france was giving australia "national secrets" about it nuclear subs. Also omitted they are submitting the same design to india P-75i, so giving them to india as well
Yep they were providing the hull which they are also trying to provide to india, they were going to provide the propulsion which logic says its just going to be upgraded tech from the scorpenes, which are currently used or on order by 6 countries.
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They leak like a sieve after all.
And for those who are dismissive about Australia’s technical ability , you are ignorant.
I worked for DRCS and DSTO back in the 80s and can tell you the research and development capability is substantial.
Australia made a deliberate decision to walk away from nuclear power back in the70’s. Billy McMahon didn’t like it. Big mistake.
But we could do it in a heart-beat if we wanted to.
lol
Say whatever you want about French loosing wars. Doesn't matter who helped or not along the way, fact is France is still called France, still French speaking with its French culture, food, etc...
Grow some balls, stop complaining and just do like them:
Have your own aviation, missile, boat, submarine industries so you can keep your "Independence" and choose whatever weird local options you want to add to your war toys.
Oops... Sorry, you cannot! But you will still going to blame the French because it's fashionable
Say whatever you want about French loosing wars. Doesn't matter who helped or not along the way, fact is France is still called France, still French speaking with its French culture, food, etc...
Grow some balls, stop complaining and just do like them:
Have your own aviation, missile, boat, submarine industries so you can keep your "Independence" and choose whatever weird local options you want to add to your war toys.
Oops... Sorry, you cannot! But you will still going to blame the French because it's fashionable
Basic economics. It is cheaper to buy something that someone else has designed, tested, and produced than to do so yourself especially when you have a relatively small population. Basic economics’ and a move away from who has the biggest genitals as a way of proving superiority.
Blaming the French? I think the angst is coming from the French as it appears that contractual obligation, inclusive of exit clauses, was adhered too.