AUKUS
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so much whinning about how fast they are doing, so much whinning about how slow hunter and most other procurements are
The TLDR what the govt wants in order of importanceThey announced that its got to be in build by 2026 for 2029 delivery
transfer of design for onshore build
effective sustainment and maintainence systems in AUS
compliance with regulatory,legislative and class regulation
interoperabolity with AUS and allied systems
So AUS wants a complete or nearly complete design that the builder can start building next year with a delivery no later than 2029, Meko A210 is a design they have been working on for 18+ months so should be completed, Mogami is complete, **** but complete, Daegu (know nothing about the design) is, tasman / alpha 3000 is concept as is the baby constellation
The TLDR what the govt wants in order of importanceThey announced that its got to be in build by 2026 for 2029 delivery
transfer of design for onshore build
effective sustainment and maintainence systems in AUS
compliance with regulatory,legislative and class regulation
interoperabolity with AUS and allied systems
So AUS wants a complete or nearly complete design that the builder can start building next year with a delivery no later than 2029, Meko A210 is a design they have been working on for 18+ months so should be completed, Mogami is complete, **** but complete, Daegu (know nothing about the design) is, tasman / alpha 3000 is concept as is the baby constellation
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The odd thing is they are not including Arrow 140, which would seem an excellent option. Possibly they don't think it can be built in timeframe.
However RAN procurement has a checkered history, to say the least. That combined with Marles means probably end up a shambles.
Little or no prospect of the 7 - 11 hulls eventuating on past performance.
However RAN procurement has a checkered history, to say the least. That combined with Marles means probably end up a shambles.
Little or no prospect of the 7 - 11 hulls eventuating on past performance.
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That combined with Marles means probably end up a shambles
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“Stand alone contract for 12 main shaft seals for VIRGINIA class SSNs to be 100% manufactured by Wartsila in Havant, Hampshire, UK, with procurement via Defense Maritime Solutions, Inc. Genuine question: have these always come from the UK plant, or is it the first time?”
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Australian government just axed substantial parts of the LOTE (life extension) efforts for Collins submarines, while going ahead with the overall program. A few thoughts on the matter. Official statement here. 1/9
https://www.minister.defence.gov.au/...type-extension
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...161918973.html
https://www.minister.defence.gov.au/...type-extension
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...161918973.html
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From: australia
It looks like there has been a change of mind. It isn't going to be used on AUKUS either. "The SSN AUKUS nuclear-powered conventionally armed submarines will likewise not be fitted with this particular design. "
It seems on advice, that adding Tomahawk cruise missile capability to the Collins class submarines is not viable and does not represent value for money. It currently has and looks like will keep, the Harpoon missile.
It seems on advice, that adding Tomahawk cruise missile capability to the Collins class submarines is not viable and does not represent value for money. It currently has and looks like will keep, the Harpoon missile.
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From: Europe
In the Starship #4 test flight (
) they had live video feed from liftoff through to both splashdowns. All the way through the plasma of very lengthy 'deorbiting'. That says a lot about the ability to communicate with hypersonic vehicles provided one owns a sufficient fleet of suitable comms satellites in orbit. For sure Starship has sufficient scale to provide lots of power, and some relatively benign locations on the unheated side. But as a very obvious demonstrator it is a sign of things to come. All the nations who either ar ealready, or may in due course become, part of AUKUS have an interest in hypersonics. Even if they have come to the conclusion they'd rather do it as a consortium than on their own.
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South Australia makes play to enter US nuclear submarine supply chain ahead of AUKUS build - ABC News
The SA government has struck a deal with shipbuilder Huntington Ingalls Industries to allow SA companies to enter supply chains for US nuclear-powered naval submarines.
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@BAES_Maritime has submitted a planning application for the future development of Barrow site to support increasing submarine production.
Potentially a very large building at site of former gas and fuel storage facility on Barrow Island (centre of image).
https://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/24383...t-barrow-site/
Potentially a very large building at site of former gas and fuel storage facility on Barrow Island (centre of image).
https://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/24383...t-barrow-site/
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This old lag is astonished re security clearance these days. Good to see but (my USN training story 1972-73 is too long for here).
First Royal Australian Navy Enlisted Sailors Begin Training at U.S. Submarine School 14 Jun 2024 Seapower Staff
https://seapowermagazine.org/first-r...marine-school/
"GROTON, Conn.–The U.S. Naval Submarine School in Groton welcomed its first cadre of nine enlisted sailors and the second cadre of three officers from the Royal Australian Navy on June 3rd and 10th respectively. These 12 Australians will train alongside their American counterparts to operate conventionally armed, nuclear-powered attack submarines (SSNs). The enrollment of Royal Australian Navy sailors at the Submarine School marks a significant step in the AUKUS (Australia, United Kingdom, United States) Pillar 1 Optimal Pathway, aimed at helping Australia acquire a conventionally armed, nuclear-powered submarine fleet. “We’re excited to welcome these sailors and officers to Groton and build on the momentum of the first cohort of Australian officers to graduate from Submarine Officer Basic Course (SOBC) in April,” said Capt. Matthew Fanning, commanding officer, Naval Submarine School.... Upon graduation from pipeline schools, the Royal Australian Navy officers and sailors will be assigned to U.S. SSNs for their first sea tour to further their knowledge and training....
... Chief of the Royal Australian Navy, Vice Adm. Mark Hammond [said]. “Three Australian officers have already completed 14 months of intensive shore-based training, including Nuclear-Power School, nuclear propulsion training, and the Submarine Officer Basic Course before being assigned to U.S. Virginia class submarines.... The number of Royal Australian Navy personnel training across the U.S. will increase to over 100 people in the next 12 months...."
First Royal Australian Navy Enlisted Sailors Begin Training at U.S. Submarine School 14 Jun 2024 Seapower Staff
https://seapowermagazine.org/first-r...marine-school/
"GROTON, Conn.–The U.S. Naval Submarine School in Groton welcomed its first cadre of nine enlisted sailors and the second cadre of three officers from the Royal Australian Navy on June 3rd and 10th respectively. These 12 Australians will train alongside their American counterparts to operate conventionally armed, nuclear-powered attack submarines (SSNs). The enrollment of Royal Australian Navy sailors at the Submarine School marks a significant step in the AUKUS (Australia, United Kingdom, United States) Pillar 1 Optimal Pathway, aimed at helping Australia acquire a conventionally armed, nuclear-powered submarine fleet. “We’re excited to welcome these sailors and officers to Groton and build on the momentum of the first cohort of Australian officers to graduate from Submarine Officer Basic Course (SOBC) in April,” said Capt. Matthew Fanning, commanding officer, Naval Submarine School.... Upon graduation from pipeline schools, the Royal Australian Navy officers and sailors will be assigned to U.S. SSNs for their first sea tour to further their knowledge and training....
... Chief of the Royal Australian Navy, Vice Adm. Mark Hammond [said]. “Three Australian officers have already completed 14 months of intensive shore-based training, including Nuclear-Power School, nuclear propulsion training, and the Submarine Officer Basic Course before being assigned to U.S. Virginia class submarines.... The number of Royal Australian Navy personnel training across the U.S. will increase to over 100 people in the next 12 months...."
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I see that Chinese premier Li Qiang is paying a visit to Australia. First port of call, Adelaide. Hopefully this will be completely unrelated to AUKUS, or am I being unduly suspicious?
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PANDA ing to DIP lomacy New pair of giant pandas for Adelaide Zoo, Wang Wang and Fu Ni to return to China by end of year 16 Jun 2024
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-...ment/103984176
I"n short: Adelaide Zoo is set to receive a new pair of giant pandas.
The zoo's current duo, Wang Wang & Fu Ni, will return to China after spending 15 years at Adelaide Zoo.
The announcement was made by Chinese Premier Li Qiang at the zoo this morning."
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The intricacies of moving Pandas between zoos must be the reason behind the massive increase in staff at the Chinese consulate in Adelaide over the last few years.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...aval-base.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...aval-base.html
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Nah it is so they are able to supply support and directions to the "Australian" Foreign Minister Penny Wong.
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P-8 ‘trilateral algorithm’ to hit field this year, as AUKUS Pillar II eyes quantum clocks, AI projects
“The most important things that we do in Pillar II of AUKUS haven't been invented yet,” Michael Horowitz, whose office serves as the Pentagon's day-to-day lead on AUKUS issues, told Breaking Defense in an exclusive interview.
Before the end of the year, the AUKUS nations will field a new “trilateral algorithm” allowing them to share information from P-8 sonobuoys between each other, the first piece of tangible AUKUS Pillar II technology to hit the field.
It might seem small, but that capability is exactly the kind of synergizing, forward-moving tech that the trilateral agreement between the United States, Untied Kingdom and Australia is after, according to Michael Horowitz, the Pentagon’s Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Force Development and Emerging Capabilities.
Horowitz’s office quietly began managing the day-to-day of the Pentagon’s AUKUS efforts last October, a decision he told Breaking Defense was “deliberate” to ensure that the AUKUS effort is “institutionalized” within DoD.
“The most important things that we do in Pillar II of AUKUS haven't been invented yet,” Michael Horowitz, whose office serves as the Pentagon's day-to-day lead on AUKUS issues, told Breaking Defense in an exclusive interview.
Before the end of the year, the AUKUS nations will field a new “trilateral algorithm” allowing them to share information from P-8 sonobuoys between each other, the first piece of tangible AUKUS Pillar II technology to hit the field.
It might seem small, but that capability is exactly the kind of synergizing, forward-moving tech that the trilateral agreement between the United States, Untied Kingdom and Australia is after, according to Michael Horowitz, the Pentagon’s Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Force Development and Emerging Capabilities.
Horowitz’s office quietly began managing the day-to-day of the Pentagon’s AUKUS efforts last October, a decision he told Breaking Defense was “deliberate” to ensure that the AUKUS effort is “institutionalized” within DoD.
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