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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 20th Oct 2022, 19:05
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
If there ever was a case to drop the bridges and ferries around Kherson this is it. Stop them fleeing, keep them bottled up, I cannot see Russia drowning their own military, it would be a catastrophe on the home front.

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Nutty. I'm fairly sure I remember earlier posts from you agonising over " drop the bridges and the kill the Russians ( with UKr losses ) " or "" Let the Russians out to avoid losses but fight them later "

What has caused you to switch 100% to the former solution ?
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Old 20th Oct 2022, 19:08
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
Nutty. I'm fairly sure I remember earlier posts from you agonising over " drop the bridges and the kill the Russians ( with UKr losses ) " or "" Let the Russians out to avoid losses but fight them later "

What has caused you to switch 100% to the former solution ?
"When the facts change, one should change one's mind" might fit.
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Old 20th Oct 2022, 19:11
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
Nutty. I'm fairly sure I remember earlier posts from you agonising over " drop the bridges and the kill the Russians ( with UKr losses ) " or "" Let the Russians out to avoid losses but fight them later "

What has caused you to switch 100% to the former solution ?
The mining of the dam and the apparent plan to flood them out, having them retained on the Kherson side of the river may prevent that. Last time it happened up to 100,000 died. Will get a link.
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Old 20th Oct 2022, 19:16
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The link, history repeating itself, only this time the population could be greater.

https://www.rferl.org/a/european-rem.../25083847.html

The Zaporizhzhya events took place in August 1941. As Nazi troops approached the city, Moscow sent in agents from the NKVD, the predecessor of the KGB, to blow up the city's DniproHES hydroelectric dam.
READ MORE: Black Ribbon Day: An International Day of Remembrance

The team successfully carried out its secret mission -- which historians say was ordered by Stalin himself -- tearing a hole in the dam and temporarily cutting off part of the city from the invaders.

But the explosion also flooded villages and settlements along the Dnieper River.

The tidal surge killed thousands of unsuspecting civilians, as well as Red Army officers who were crossing over the river.

Since no official death toll was released at the time, the estimated number of victims varies widely. Most historians put it at between 20,000 and 100,000, based on the number of people then living in the flooded areas.


'People Were Screaming'

Survivor Oleksiy Dotsenko says the Dnieper turned red that day.

His account, recorded four years ago by the television channel 1+1, is one of the last remaining testimonies of the tragedy.

"People were screaming for help. Cows were mooing, pigs were squealing. People were climbing on trees," he recalled.
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Old 20th Oct 2022, 19:46
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In this intercepted call, the Russian (possibly L/DPR) soldier in the Kherson area is complaining about friendly artillery fire. He says there is no point digging in as attack drones with small bombs can create a mass grave quickly.
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Old 20th Oct 2022, 19:53
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NBC News reports that Congress is considering passing a new aid package for Ukraine before the next Congress is sworn in. "The new aid package, which most likely would be part of an omnibus spending bill, could be within the range of roughly $50 billion,"

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ions-rcna53167
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Old 20th Oct 2022, 19:57
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According to local residents, all the collaborators left temporarily-occupied Beryslav in Kherson region. They took with them their families and stolen property.

Trained soldiers of the Russian invasion force moved to the left bank of the Dnipro, leaving behind untrained mobiks.



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Old 20th Oct 2022, 21:25
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Originally Posted by ORAC
According to local residents, all the collaborators left temporarily-occupied Beryslav in Kherson region. They took with them their families and stolen property.

Trained soldiers of the Russian invasion force moved to the left bank of the Dnipro, leaving behind untrained mobiks.
What about heavy weapons ?
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Old 20th Oct 2022, 21:29
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PERILOUS GAME: As RU troops and equipment arrive in Belarus, Putin increases pressure on Lukashenko to enter the war. The people of Belarus are overwhelmingly against it. Should invasion happen, it’s unknown if Lukashenko’s troops will support their RU allies-- or turn on them.
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Old 20th Oct 2022, 21:37
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It looks like the Russian invasion of Belarus is in full swing. Lukashenko has sold his people out. They now face being Russian slaves for a very long time.
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The historical romanticism to putin who's father i believe was in the NKVD, and went about his war blowing infrastructure up and stealing stuff seems about right.
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Old 20th Oct 2022, 22:29
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From Russian journalist Olesya Gerasimenko: "I'm talking to a contract [soldier], the life span of a new Wagner recruit is now a week and two days.
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Old 20th Oct 2022, 23:01
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Originally Posted by MJ89
The historical romanticism to putin who's father i believe was in the NKVD, and went about his war blowing infrastructure up and stealing stuff seems about right.
NKVD spent a great deal of time shooting Poles, Ukraines and Russian soldiers.
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Old 20th Oct 2022, 23:01
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Originally Posted by Low average
It looks like the Russian invasion of Belarus is in full swing. Lukashenko has sold his people out. They now face being Russian slaves for a very long time.
Plan A didn't work out quite as planned. If a takeover of Belarus is done quietly, Putin may keep his sycophant followers of the Silovik; As the overwhelming majority of Belarus citizens appear to want nothing to do with either Lukashenko or Russia, then the potential for a protracted civil war and a bogging down of Russia in Ukraine could be on the cards. Will the people of Belarus acquiesce to a bogus fait accompli from Lord Faquard's sidekick, "the last dictator of Europe"? They interdicted the Lord of darkness in the first couple of months to assist in the self imposed disarray of logistics, did that rather well. That of course would cause the Suwalki Gap to become more interesting than it's headline status already gained. If Russia is labelled a terrorist state, then cannot see many Belarus locals being happy with that situation at all. Overall, the Terrorist state seems to be past time finding it's voice in the rest of the world. Not enough evidence...? Take any week since Feb 24, and there is ample evidence of Putin coordinating a deliberate terror campaign against Ukraine, and much of the rest of the world.

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The historical romanticism to putin who's father i believe was in the NKVD, and went about his war blowing infrastructure up and stealing stuff seems about right.
Those that can do, those that can't, throw their toys out of the cot.
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Old 21st Oct 2022, 01:53
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The areas that will flood if the dam goes.

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Old 21st Oct 2022, 03:36
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They are hitting the Kherson barge bridge tonight, Russia has ferried across by barge 60 trucks of loot and all the stolen fire engines.

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Old 21st Oct 2022, 03:39
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Russian mobilised troops equipment reaches new lows.

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Old 21st Oct 2022, 06:08
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
They are hitting the Kherson barge bridge tonight, Russia has ferried across by barge 60 trucks of loot and all the stolen fire engines.[size=13px]
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Interesting conversation with the bosses later....
"Where's your T-72?" Left on the Right bank!"
"what did you escape with?"
"a fire truck!"
"a fire truck?"
"yes, seemed more appropriate for what we are about to receive"

If it isn't glued down, the boys are gonna take it. More invoices to the Kremlins reparation fund.
At least Ukraine gets to buy new shiny fire engines from Oshkosh or similar.... along with their John Deere gear.
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Old 21st Oct 2022, 09:12
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Here you go, disbanded the fire service then stole the engines.


and their loot



Attacking the bridge last night took out some of the Russian propagandists

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