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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 12th Dec 2021, 11:46
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix
Those countries along her western borders with large Russian-speaking populations will be nervous of 5th column efforts by Putin.
i believe that it is over 20% in Ukraine. If true that’s a lot of people.
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Old 12th Dec 2021, 13:55
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Perhaps through certain eyes the exploitable weakness of the west is independence movements.
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Where's Clare Hollingworth ?

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Where's Clare Hollingworth when we need her ?

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Old 12th Dec 2021, 23:58
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Try somewhere closer to 90% in the two regions in question. First language in schools etc.
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Old 13th Dec 2021, 06:17
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https://www.politico.eu/article/g7-w...ssion-ukraine/

G7 warns Russia of ‘massive consequences’ if it attacks Ukraine

Russia will face “massive consequences and severe cost” if it pursues further military aggression against Ukraine, foreign ministers from the G7 group of democratic powers warned Sunday.

The G7 countries are united in their “condemnation of Russia’s military build-up and aggressive rhetoric towards Ukraine,” ministers said in a statement following two days of talks in the northern English city of Liverpool.

“We call on Russia to de-escalate, pursue diplomatic channels, and abide by its international commitments on transparency of military activities,” reads the statement, on behalf of ministers from Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom and the United States. “Russia should be in no doubt that further military aggression against Ukraine would have massive consequences and severe cost in response.”

The text does not clarify what such consequences could entail, but Western leaders have spoken about economic sanctions on Russia and increased defense assistance to Ukraine, rather than a direct military response.…

The G7 foreign ministers’ statement indirectly rejected Russian demands that Ukraine should not be allowed to join NATO, stressing that the country had the right to decide on its future alignment.

“We reaffirm our unwavering commitment to Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, as well as the right of any sovereign state to determine its own future,” the text says while stressing that “we commend Ukraine’s posture of restraint.”…..
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Old 13th Dec 2021, 11:41
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G7 warns Russia of ‘massive consequences’ if it attacks Ukraine
Russia will dismiss this as the usual rhetoric from the usual suspects.

Shame China didn't add its name to this declaration. Phat chance of that though - they're more than happy for the west and Russia to lock horns once again over Ukraine, as their military build-up continues apace.
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Old 13th Dec 2021, 12:19
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Let's just hope whatever happens if it all kicks off, that all sides take a wide berth around Chernobyl for the sake of Europe, and let's hope for a mild and wet winter along the border.. nice and muddy.
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If he makes a move to cross the border I can imagine that it’ll be on a Friday night when the eyes of the world are watching some new crisis unfolding somewhere else.
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Old 13th Dec 2021, 13:03
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix
If he makes a move to cross the border I can imagine that it’ll be on a Friday night when the eyes of the world are watching some new crisis unfolding somewhere else.
They might just wait for tourist season and send “ Tourists “ or Pilgrims to visit the Holy Sites of St. Olga
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Old 13th Dec 2021, 15:24
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We could have a sweepstake on this .. Put me down for Christmas Day or New Years Eve, or if the RAF is to get involved Weekends or Friday afternoons... Christmas Holiday period, Weekend and Christmas Day all rolled into one this year have to make the 25th / 26th the odds on favourite leaving the gate guards and whoever else is still floating about to generate the fleets..
New Years day will also qualify as a weekend full of drunk or recovering servicemen.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/russia...ia-2021-12-13/

Russia says it may be forced to deploy mid-range nuclear missiles in Europe
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Does it really matter if they are a tinsy winsy little bit closer, neither side would survive the encounter.
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Old 13th Dec 2021, 21:27
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Putin does seem to be making increasingly unhinged threats.

Russia, as opposed to the USSR plus Warsaw Pact, doesn’t present a realistic threat to Europe - even if it does to the Baltic states and Ukraine.

Realistically, why deploy IRBM or the equivalent? There is no real threat to Russia - and no realistic chance would bomb its only major market.
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Old 13th Dec 2021, 22:14
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Poker logic. If you believe your oppo won't call you, keep raising the ante, till they fold.

Its not like Auntie will point this out when they can emphasize how terrible nookular war would be. After all, it's "only" Ukraine.
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Old 14th Dec 2021, 02:48
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Originally Posted by ORAC
Putin does seem to be making increasingly unhinged threats.

Russia, as opposed to the USSR plus Warsaw Pact, doesn’t present a realistic threat to Europe - even if it does to the Baltic states and Ukraine.

Realistically, why deploy IRBM or the equivalent? There is no real threat to Russia - and no realistic chance would bomb its only major market.
For public consumption in Western Europe would be my guess.
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...sion-jd7x5ffxq

Boris Johnson warns Putin against Ukraine invasion

Boris Johnson has told President Putin that any invasion of Ukrainewould have “significant consequences” as Russia warned conflict was inevitable if Nato continued its expansion toward its borders.

In a phone call Johnson told Putin that the UK was committed to Ukraine’s “territorial integrity and sovereignty” and that any “destabilising action” by Russia would be met with a united response from the West.

In Moscow Russia’s deputy foreign minister gave the Kremlin’s first explicit warning of military action, amplifying tensions with Ukraine.

“A lack of progress towards a political-diplomatic solution would mean that our response will be military and military-technical,” Sergei Ryabkov told the state news agency RIA Novosti. “There will be confrontation”.

“There’s no trust in Nato as an alliance. We’re no longer playing these kinds of games and don’t believe in Nato’s assurances.”…..

Ryabkov is expected to meet Karen Donfried, the American assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs, this week in Moscow.
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I'm sure that really frightened Putin..............
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Old 14th Dec 2021, 15:33
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Putin has more men ready for the off than we have in the military, which brings about the question how are we going to handle so many prisoners when we struggle with a boatload of refugees.

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Old 14th Dec 2021, 16:04
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Putin has more men ready for the off than we have in the military, which brings about the question how are we going to handle so many prisoners when we struggle with a boatload of refugees.

Ask the germans, they've experience in this matter.
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