Is Ukraine about to have a war?
Perhaps through certain eyes the exploitable weakness of the west is independence movements.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
https://www.politico.eu/article/g7-w...ssion-ukraine/
G7 warns Russia of ‘massive consequences’ if it attacks Ukraine
Russia will face “massive consequences and severe cost” if it pursues further military aggression against Ukraine, foreign ministers from the G7 group of democratic powers warned Sunday.
The G7 countries are united in their “condemnation of Russia’s military build-up and aggressive rhetoric towards Ukraine,” ministers said in a statement following two days of talks in the northern English city of Liverpool.
“We call on Russia to de-escalate, pursue diplomatic channels, and abide by its international commitments on transparency of military activities,” reads the statement, on behalf of ministers from Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom and the United States. “Russia should be in no doubt that further military aggression against Ukraine would have massive consequences and severe cost in response.”
The text does not clarify what such consequences could entail, but Western leaders have spoken about economic sanctions on Russia and increased defense assistance to Ukraine, rather than a direct military response.…
The G7 foreign ministers’ statement indirectly rejected Russian demands that Ukraine should not be allowed to join NATO, stressing that the country had the right to decide on its future alignment.
“We reaffirm our unwavering commitment to Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, as well as the right of any sovereign state to determine its own future,” the text says while stressing that “we commend Ukraine’s posture of restraint.”…..
G7 warns Russia of ‘massive consequences’ if it attacks Ukraine
Russia will face “massive consequences and severe cost” if it pursues further military aggression against Ukraine, foreign ministers from the G7 group of democratic powers warned Sunday.
The G7 countries are united in their “condemnation of Russia’s military build-up and aggressive rhetoric towards Ukraine,” ministers said in a statement following two days of talks in the northern English city of Liverpool.
“We call on Russia to de-escalate, pursue diplomatic channels, and abide by its international commitments on transparency of military activities,” reads the statement, on behalf of ministers from Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom and the United States. “Russia should be in no doubt that further military aggression against Ukraine would have massive consequences and severe cost in response.”
The text does not clarify what such consequences could entail, but Western leaders have spoken about economic sanctions on Russia and increased defense assistance to Ukraine, rather than a direct military response.…
The G7 foreign ministers’ statement indirectly rejected Russian demands that Ukraine should not be allowed to join NATO, stressing that the country had the right to decide on its future alignment.
“We reaffirm our unwavering commitment to Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, as well as the right of any sovereign state to determine its own future,” the text says while stressing that “we commend Ukraine’s posture of restraint.”…..
G7 warns Russia of ‘massive consequences’ if it attacks Ukraine
Shame China didn't add its name to this declaration. Phat chance of that though - they're more than happy for the west and Russia to lock horns once again over Ukraine, as their military build-up continues apace.
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Let's just hope whatever happens if it all kicks off, that all sides take a wide berth around Chernobyl for the sake of Europe, and let's hope for a mild and wet winter along the border.. nice and muddy.
If he makes a move to cross the border I can imagine that it’ll be on a Friday night when the eyes of the world are watching some new crisis unfolding somewhere else.
They might just wait for tourist season and send “ Tourists “ or Pilgrims to visit the Holy Sites of St. Olga
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We could have a sweepstake on this .. Put me down for Christmas Day or New Years Eve, or if the RAF is to get involved Weekends or Friday afternoons... Christmas Holiday period, Weekend and Christmas Day all rolled into one this year have to make the 25th / 26th the odds on favourite leaving the gate guards and whoever else is still floating about to generate the fleets.. 
New Years day will also qualify as a weekend full of drunk or recovering servicemen.
New Years day will also qualify as a weekend full of drunk or recovering servicemen.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
https://www.reuters.com/world/russia...ia-2021-12-13/
Russia says it may be forced to deploy mid-range nuclear missiles in Europe
Russia says it may be forced to deploy mid-range nuclear missiles in Europe
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Does it really matter if they are a tinsy winsy little bit closer, neither side would survive the encounter.
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Putin does seem to be making increasingly unhinged threats.
Russia, as opposed to the USSR plus Warsaw Pact, doesn’t present a realistic threat to Europe - even if it does to the Baltic states and Ukraine.
Realistically, why deploy IRBM or the equivalent? There is no real threat to Russia - and no realistic chance would bomb its only major market.
Russia, as opposed to the USSR plus Warsaw Pact, doesn’t present a realistic threat to Europe - even if it does to the Baltic states and Ukraine.
Realistically, why deploy IRBM or the equivalent? There is no real threat to Russia - and no realistic chance would bomb its only major market.
Poker logic. If you believe your oppo won't call you, keep raising the ante, till they fold.
Its not like Auntie will point this out when they can emphasize how terrible nookular war would be. After all, it's "only" Ukraine.
Its not like Auntie will point this out when they can emphasize how terrible nookular war would be. After all, it's "only" Ukraine.
Putin does seem to be making increasingly unhinged threats.
Russia, as opposed to the USSR plus Warsaw Pact, doesn’t present a realistic threat to Europe - even if it does to the Baltic states and Ukraine.
Realistically, why deploy IRBM or the equivalent? There is no real threat to Russia - and no realistic chance would bomb its only major market.
Russia, as opposed to the USSR plus Warsaw Pact, doesn’t present a realistic threat to Europe - even if it does to the Baltic states and Ukraine.
Realistically, why deploy IRBM or the equivalent? There is no real threat to Russia - and no realistic chance would bomb its only major market.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...sion-jd7x5ffxq
Boris Johnson warns Putin against Ukraine invasion
Boris Johnson has told President Putin that any invasion of Ukrainewould have “significant consequences” as Russia warned conflict was inevitable if Nato continued its expansion toward its borders.
In a phone call Johnson told Putin that the UK was committed to Ukraine’s “territorial integrity and sovereignty” and that any “destabilising action” by Russia would be met with a united response from the West.
In Moscow Russia’s deputy foreign minister gave the Kremlin’s first explicit warning of military action, amplifying tensions with Ukraine.
“A lack of progress towards a political-diplomatic solution would mean that our response will be military and military-technical,” Sergei Ryabkov told the state news agency RIA Novosti. “There will be confrontation”.
“There’s no trust in Nato as an alliance. We’re no longer playing these kinds of games and don’t believe in Nato’s assurances.”…..
Ryabkov is expected to meet Karen Donfried, the American assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs, this week in Moscow.
Boris Johnson warns Putin against Ukraine invasion
Boris Johnson has told President Putin that any invasion of Ukrainewould have “significant consequences” as Russia warned conflict was inevitable if Nato continued its expansion toward its borders.
In a phone call Johnson told Putin that the UK was committed to Ukraine’s “territorial integrity and sovereignty” and that any “destabilising action” by Russia would be met with a united response from the West.
In Moscow Russia’s deputy foreign minister gave the Kremlin’s first explicit warning of military action, amplifying tensions with Ukraine.
“A lack of progress towards a political-diplomatic solution would mean that our response will be military and military-technical,” Sergei Ryabkov told the state news agency RIA Novosti. “There will be confrontation”.
“There’s no trust in Nato as an alliance. We’re no longer playing these kinds of games and don’t believe in Nato’s assurances.”…..
Ryabkov is expected to meet Karen Donfried, the American assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs, this week in Moscow.
I'm sure that really frightened Putin..............
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Putin has more men ready for the off than we have in the military, which brings about the question how are we going to handle so many prisoners when we struggle with a boatload of refugees.
