Is Ukraine about to have a war?
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https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...nvasion-527375
U.S. approves allied weapons shipments to Ukraine as worries mount
The State Department has given the go-ahead for three NATO allies to rush anti-armor missiles and other U.S.-made weapons to Ukraine, a sign of renewed urgency among Western allies over the threat of a multi-front invasion by Russian forces.
The requests from Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania were received in recent weeks, and the last of the three was approved Wednesday after being received the night before, according to an administration official who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss an issue that hasn't been announced.
The Biden administration will also begin the process of shipping $200 million worth anti-armor missiles, ammunition and other equipment to Ukraine in the coming days.
Under export control regulations, the three countries were required to obtain approval from the State Department before transferring their weapons to Ukraine. The administration official declined to list the specific weapons that were approved for transfer……
The Russian deployment into Belarus over the weekend adds a worrying new wrinkle to the crisis.
The shift of 100,000 troops into position along Ukraine’s borders, combined with moving forces into Belarus on short notice, is “beyond of course what we would expect with regards to a normal exercise,” the first State Department official said.
According to agreements between Russia and NATO, exercises involving more than 9,000 troops require 42 days' notice, and if the drill includes more than 13,000 troops, international observers are required. Russia has given no notifications thus far.
“That's what normal looks like,” the State Department official said. “What this is, is something entirely different.”
U.S. approves allied weapons shipments to Ukraine as worries mount
The State Department has given the go-ahead for three NATO allies to rush anti-armor missiles and other U.S.-made weapons to Ukraine, a sign of renewed urgency among Western allies over the threat of a multi-front invasion by Russian forces.
The requests from Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania were received in recent weeks, and the last of the three was approved Wednesday after being received the night before, according to an administration official who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss an issue that hasn't been announced.
The Biden administration will also begin the process of shipping $200 million worth anti-armor missiles, ammunition and other equipment to Ukraine in the coming days.
Under export control regulations, the three countries were required to obtain approval from the State Department before transferring their weapons to Ukraine. The administration official declined to list the specific weapons that were approved for transfer……
The Russian deployment into Belarus over the weekend adds a worrying new wrinkle to the crisis.
The shift of 100,000 troops into position along Ukraine’s borders, combined with moving forces into Belarus on short notice, is “beyond of course what we would expect with regards to a normal exercise,” the first State Department official said.
According to agreements between Russia and NATO, exercises involving more than 9,000 troops require 42 days' notice, and if the drill includes more than 13,000 troops, international observers are required. Russia has given no notifications thus far.
“That's what normal looks like,” the State Department official said. “What this is, is something entirely different.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60061300
What a f8cking spanner....
US President Joe Biden has said he thinks his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin will "move in" on Ukraine but does not want "full-blown war".
He told a news conference Mr Putin would pay a "serious and dear price" for invading, but indicated a minor incursion might be treated differently.
The White House later stressed any Russian military move would be met with a swift, severe response from the West.
The Kremlin warned the comments could further destabilise the situation.
Russia has some 100,000 troops near the border but denies planning an invasion.
He told a news conference Mr Putin would pay a "serious and dear price" for invading, but indicated a minor incursion might be treated differently.
The White House later stressed any Russian military move would be met with a swift, severe response from the West.
The Kremlin warned the comments could further destabilise the situation.
Russia has some 100,000 troops near the border but denies planning an invasion.
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https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/mass...y-over-europe/
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/mass...y-over-europe/
Earlier today ten surveillance aircraft from multiple NATO members, including Britain, flew over the Baltics and Ukraine.
Earlier today ten surveillance aircraft from multiple NATO members, including Britain, flew over the Baltics and Ukraine.
- USN P-8A (PK18x)
- US Army RC-12Xs (YANK01 & YANK03)
- USAF RC-135W (JAKE11)
- USAF E-8C (REDEYE6)
- British P-8A (GURNY01)
- British RC-135W (RRR7205)
- Swedish S100D (SVF604)
- Swedish S102B (SVF623)
- Norwegian 20ECM (NOW717H)
- German P-3C (GNY4500)
I think we may be about to find out how willing to play in the so-called Grey Zone we are.
There had better be some eye-watering national and personal sanctions and other measures lined up - however applied.....
There had better be some eye-watering national and personal sanctions and other measures lined up - however applied.....
you may, or may not be correct. However, either way, where in the Universe of Reality do we blame Dumdum Biden for this? He isn’t the one amassing forces to invade a country that has not attacked his country! As a socialist (little “s”) can we please acknowledge that Putin and his Cronies are the problem? Not some ole fella who is a couple of sandwiches short of a Picnic. We are living with Hitler MkII (See Seeping) and Stalinskimousalinski (Poo Bin), they are both employing the age old techniques of personality cults, the sooner they and their bent over boys pass on, the better.
Shame they picked pretty similar colours for their graphic so we could figure who went where. I assume the one which went right up in the Russians face in eastern Ukraine was the Global Hawk.
PS I do realise this relates to surveillance flights for the extended period, not the day referred to in the headline.
There are now over three million internally displaced persons ( refugees ) in Ukraine according to some reports .
Sure looks like a civil war is festering and may soon reach metastasis .
Sure looks like a civil war is festering and may soon reach metastasis .
Who are these 'displaced people' and why would their presence accelerate a civil war?
Official UN number is 734000 IDP's as of November, not 3 million.
source: https://reporting.unhcr.org/document/1305
mostly near Donbass area and Crimea origin.
source: https://reporting.unhcr.org/document/1305
mostly near Donbass area and Crimea origin.
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The truth is that three to five mln Ukrainians immigrated abroad to work there (where they earn more than at home) according to Ukrainian sources (I can provide a URL, but you unlikely read Ukrainian or Russian).
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Official UN number is 734000 IDP's as of November, not 3 million.
source: https://reporting.unhcr.org/document/1305
mostly near Donbass area and Crimea origin.
source: https://reporting.unhcr.org/document/1305
mostly near Donbass area and Crimea origin.
No doubt, many had to relocate from villages destroyed by separatists' fire, but this part is less because the separs were mostly retreated in 2014 and there were not such big cities to fire at like Donetsk and Lugansk.
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Now why were those houses destroyed in the peaceful area by supposed Ukrainian artillery… errrr errrrm…..errrr…… oh yes….. now I remember, you invaded the place.
Now why were those houses destroyed in the peaceful area by supposed Ukrainian artillery… errrr errrrm…..errrr…… oh yes….. now I remember, you invaded the place.
https://www.unrefugees.org/emergencies/ukraine/
My apologies , I got the numbers bassakwards. There are only 1.5 million refugees , two million displaced internally , and 3.5 millions requiring humanitarian assistance .
My apologies , I got the numbers bassakwards. There are only 1.5 million refugees , two million displaced internally , and 3.5 millions requiring humanitarian assistance .
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/20/polit...ine/index.html
US accuses Russia of recruiting officials in attempt to take over Ukrainian government
CNN) The United States accused Russia of recruiting current and former Ukrainian government officials to attempt to take control of Ukraine's government as it unveiled new sanctions on Thursday.
"Russia has directed its intelligence services to recruit current and former Ukrainian government officials to prepare to take over the government of Ukraine and to control Ukraine's critical infrastructure with an occupying Russian force," the Treasury Department said in a statement, as it rolled out sanctions against four current and former Ukrainian officials it said were involved in Kremlin-directed influence activities to destabilize Ukraine.
The Treasury said the four individuals -- two of whom are current members of Ukraine's Parliament --- were acting under the direction of a Russian intelligence service sanctioned by the US and played "various roles" in Russia's "global influence campaign to destabilize sovereign countries in support of the Kremlin's political objectives."….
The department said that the action taken Thursday is "separate and distinct" from the "broad range of high impact measures" the US is prepared if Russia invades Ukraine.….
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ment-sanctions
…The two MPs the US has placed sanctions on were named as Taras Kozak and Oleh Voloshyn, both members of a pro-Russian party led by Victor Medvedchuk, an oligarch who has been under house arrest in Ukraine since last May, accused of treason.
A former Ukrainian official, Volodymyr Oliynyk, now living in Russia, has a sanction against him for working “at the direction of the FSB [Russian intelligence] to gather information about Ukrainian critical infrastructure”.
The fourth man named is Vladimir Sivkovich, a former deputy secretary of the Ukrainian national security and defence council.
“In 2021, Sivkovich worked with a network of Russian intelligence actors to carry out influence operations that attempted to build support for Ukraine to officially cede Crimea to Russia in exchange for a drawdown of Russian-backed forces in the Donbas,” the US Treasury alleged…….
US accuses Russia of recruiting officials in attempt to take over Ukrainian government
CNN) The United States accused Russia of recruiting current and former Ukrainian government officials to attempt to take control of Ukraine's government as it unveiled new sanctions on Thursday.
"Russia has directed its intelligence services to recruit current and former Ukrainian government officials to prepare to take over the government of Ukraine and to control Ukraine's critical infrastructure with an occupying Russian force," the Treasury Department said in a statement, as it rolled out sanctions against four current and former Ukrainian officials it said were involved in Kremlin-directed influence activities to destabilize Ukraine.
The Treasury said the four individuals -- two of whom are current members of Ukraine's Parliament --- were acting under the direction of a Russian intelligence service sanctioned by the US and played "various roles" in Russia's "global influence campaign to destabilize sovereign countries in support of the Kremlin's political objectives."….
The department said that the action taken Thursday is "separate and distinct" from the "broad range of high impact measures" the US is prepared if Russia invades Ukraine.….
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ment-sanctions
…The two MPs the US has placed sanctions on were named as Taras Kozak and Oleh Voloshyn, both members of a pro-Russian party led by Victor Medvedchuk, an oligarch who has been under house arrest in Ukraine since last May, accused of treason.
A former Ukrainian official, Volodymyr Oliynyk, now living in Russia, has a sanction against him for working “at the direction of the FSB [Russian intelligence] to gather information about Ukrainian critical infrastructure”.
The fourth man named is Vladimir Sivkovich, a former deputy secretary of the Ukrainian national security and defence council.
“In 2021, Sivkovich worked with a network of Russian intelligence actors to carry out influence operations that attempted to build support for Ukraine to officially cede Crimea to Russia in exchange for a drawdown of Russian-backed forces in the Donbas,” the US Treasury alleged…….
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
The trigger?
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...mp-2022-01-20/
Ukraine war necessary if Russia recognises breakaway regions - pro-Kremlin MP
MOSCOW, Jan 20 (Reuters) - Russian-backed separatists in east Ukraine would expect Russia's army to fight with them against Ukrainian government forces if Moscow follows through on a parliamentary proposal to recognise their independence, a pro-Kremlin lawmaker said on Thursday.
Alexander Borodai made the comment after 11 lawmakers proposed that parliament ask President Vladimir Putin to recognise the independence of the breakaway Donetsk and Luhansk regions.
Such a move would mark a major escalation by Russia after weeks of mounting tensions around Ukraine. A Russian military buildup and threatening rhetoric have stoked Western fears of a looming invasion, though Moscow denies any such plan.
Borodai, a former Donetsk political leader who is now a member of the Russian parliament, said the separatists would look to Russia to help them wrest control of parts of the territory they claim that are now held by Ukrainian forces.
"In the event of (the republics) being recognised, a war will become a direct necessity," Borodai told Reuters.
"Russia would have to take on some security responsibilities" and defend the territories, he said, as it did after recognising the independence of two breakaway Georgian regions after a 2008 war between Russia and Georgia. read more…….
Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov on Thursday responded cautiously to the proposal on recognition, saying he could not comment until parliament had voted on it…..
Orysia Lutsevych, a Ukraine analyst at Chatham House think-tank in London, said recognition could create a legal pretext for a Russian invasion of Donbass to "protect" it from Ukraine.
She said it would be a "clear step of escalation" requiring a Western response in the form of sanctions against Russia or bolstering NATO forces on the alliance's eastern flank.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...mp-2022-01-20/
Ukraine war necessary if Russia recognises breakaway regions - pro-Kremlin MP
MOSCOW, Jan 20 (Reuters) - Russian-backed separatists in east Ukraine would expect Russia's army to fight with them against Ukrainian government forces if Moscow follows through on a parliamentary proposal to recognise their independence, a pro-Kremlin lawmaker said on Thursday.
Alexander Borodai made the comment after 11 lawmakers proposed that parliament ask President Vladimir Putin to recognise the independence of the breakaway Donetsk and Luhansk regions.
Such a move would mark a major escalation by Russia after weeks of mounting tensions around Ukraine. A Russian military buildup and threatening rhetoric have stoked Western fears of a looming invasion, though Moscow denies any such plan.
Borodai, a former Donetsk political leader who is now a member of the Russian parliament, said the separatists would look to Russia to help them wrest control of parts of the territory they claim that are now held by Ukrainian forces.
"In the event of (the republics) being recognised, a war will become a direct necessity," Borodai told Reuters.
"Russia would have to take on some security responsibilities" and defend the territories, he said, as it did after recognising the independence of two breakaway Georgian regions after a 2008 war between Russia and Georgia. read more…….
Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov on Thursday responded cautiously to the proposal on recognition, saying he could not comment until parliament had voted on it…..
Orysia Lutsevych, a Ukraine analyst at Chatham House think-tank in London, said recognition could create a legal pretext for a Russian invasion of Donbass to "protect" it from Ukraine.
She said it would be a "clear step of escalation" requiring a Western response in the form of sanctions against Russia or bolstering NATO forces on the alliance's eastern flank.
https://www.unrefugees.org/emergencies/ukraine/
My apologies , I got the numbers bassakwards. There are only 1.5 million refugees , two million displaced internally , and 3.5 millions requiring humanitarian assistance .
My apologies , I got the numbers bassakwards. There are only 1.5 million refugees , two million displaced internally , and 3.5 millions requiring humanitarian assistance .
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you may, or may not be correct. However, either way, where in the Universe of Reality do we blame Dumdum Biden for this? He isn’t the one amassing forces to invade a country that has not attacked his country! As a socialist (little “s”) can we please acknowledge that Putin and his Cronies are the problem? Not some ole fella who is a couple of sandwiches short of a Picnic. We are living with Hitler MkII (See Seeping) and Stalinskimousalinski (Poo Bin), they are both employing the age old techniques of personality cults, the sooner they and their bent over boys pass on, the better.