Ukraine Crisis 2014
I'm surprised you haven't departed to the Ukraine to join in Ronald, just
leave your passport at the departure gate
leave your passport at the departure gate
Keep him on ropes Mel, you are doing a great job of making him keep digging a deeper and deeper hole.
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You should check out Graham Phillips on facebook the British reporter currently working in the Lugansk area. He has plenty of photographic evidence to show the terrible shelling of civilian areas by the junta forces. Junta forces which are now in most cases in full retreat and along the way having abandoned huge amounts of military equipment. It appears also the Novorossiya military have captured large numbers of prisoners, many of whom are from the so called volunteer battalions. Well done Russia is all I can say.
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Please state, by name, which European leaders you believe to be puppets of the American government in Washington DC. Then give examples of each one's puppet-like behavior.
I'd be interested to see how you justify using that epithet for a number of heads of state who don't seem to listen to B Obama on much of anything.
I'd be interested to see how you justify using that epithet for a number of heads of state who don't seem to listen to B Obama on much of anything.
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Ronald never addresses the real issues, he here for propaganda purposes.
Things like self determination, and choosing who your friends are!
Redirecting by using terms like "Washington puppets". When every one knows the "European puppets" regularly tell Washington to get stuffed.
The fact that NATO primary purpose is to protect its memeber states against aggression. Just who are these other states that need "freeing" he keeps talking about?
He never addresses the fact that most polling in those areas of Ukraine have consistently stated they want to remain part of the Ukraine.
He never addresses the fact that Russia has much territory that they don't have a claim too.
I believe the Argentinians tried the same trick just before its Junta collapsed, this might be the last gasp of the failed Russian state.
Things like self determination, and choosing who your friends are!
Redirecting by using terms like "Washington puppets". When every one knows the "European puppets" regularly tell Washington to get stuffed.
The fact that NATO primary purpose is to protect its memeber states against aggression. Just who are these other states that need "freeing" he keeps talking about?
He never addresses the fact that most polling in those areas of Ukraine have consistently stated they want to remain part of the Ukraine.
He never addresses the fact that Russia has much territory that they don't have a claim too.
I believe the Argentinians tried the same trick just before its Junta collapsed, this might be the last gasp of the failed Russian state.
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Lonewolf_50, virtually all European leaders are puppets of Washington, just look at their actions. Joining in with wars that Washington wants, creating larger sanctions against Russia as that is what Washington wants. They allow US military bases in their own territory. Germany does nothing yet they are spied on by Washington. European nations force the Bolivian Presidents aircraft to land as Washington were worried Snowden may have been on it. They are puppets Lonewolf, they not dare do anything without the permission of Washington. Do not underestimate the power and influence of Washington.
rh200, self determination, does that choice apply to the people of eastern Ukraine or just Kiev and the western parts of the country? Talking about self determination, how about the choice of the British people over EU membership and NATO membership?! Sadly you do not always get to chose your nations destiny.
NATO is not a defensive organisation, just look at its role in Libya. It is a dangerous and provocative organisation.
rh200, self determination, does that choice apply to the people of eastern Ukraine or just Kiev and the western parts of the country? Talking about self determination, how about the choice of the British people over EU membership and NATO membership?! Sadly you do not always get to chose your nations destiny.
NATO is not a defensive organisation, just look at its role in Libya. It is a dangerous and provocative organisation.
virtually all European leaders are puppets of Washington,
Looking forward to crossing off more bingo boxes later this afternoon.
They allow US military bases in their own territory.
self determination, does that choice apply to the people of eastern Ukraine or just Kiev and the western parts of the country? Talking about self determination, how about the choice of the British people over EU membership and NATO membership?! Sadly you do not always get to chose your nations destiny.
What has the British situation with the EU and NATO got to do with self-determination? Besides the fact we are set to get a vote on the EU, we elect the UK government which makes the decisions (rightly or wrongly) on our behalf. That's called democracy, Ronald from 'Cornwall'.
NATO is not a defensive organisation, just look at its role in Libya. It is a dangerous and provocative organisation
The fact remains, Ronald from 'Cornwall', that countries are queing up to join NATO. Where is the line to restart the Warsaw Pact?
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If I remember correctly Ronald, a great deal of those so called European " puppets" told the US to get stuffed in Iraqi. Sort of puts a dent in your argument.
As for bases, well they exist because they governments in those countries fear Russia and any other country like it. The individual countries don't have the capacity or either the will to build up defense forces to protect against potential belligerent states like Russia.
And why would you, when you can be part of a organization with collective defense, and as such don't need to spend as much.
Certainly does, glad we are in agreement for an intimidate cease fire, UN mandate with third party troops to stabilize the area, allow free press and have a referendum. The referendum will of course have to have people who where on the roll before the current conflict.
Of course they do, if it means that much to them, vote for parties that will pull them out. Its all in the voting and balance of whats important., I know this democrocy thing is not very intuative to you sitting in Moscow.
Don't blame NATO for political decisions, thats all NATO acts from. But that said, least their not sending their soldiers in to die like criminals and in secret.
As for bases, well they exist because they governments in those countries fear Russia and any other country like it. The individual countries don't have the capacity or either the will to build up defense forces to protect against potential belligerent states like Russia.
And why would you, when you can be part of a organization with collective defense, and as such don't need to spend as much.
rh200, self determination, does that choice apply to the people of eastern Ukraine or just Kiev and the western parts of the country?
Talking about self determination, how about the choice of the British people over EU membership and NATO membership?! Sadly you do not always get to chose your nations destiny.
NATO is not a defensive organisation, just look at its role in Libya. It is a dangerous and provocative organisation.
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You really amaze me Mel, you act as if Libya was a success. The country is broken, a ruin, totally destroyed by the west. What was a functioning nation state has been turned into a disaster zone that is so unsafe its no possible to travel there.
Russia is a great country and people should be happy to be part of it.
They are strong. The strong make the rules while the weak follow.
rh200, since Iraq things have changed, somehow Washington has regained control of Europe, that is because they are strong, I may disagree with them but they do understand how the game is played.
Maybe just maybe things will change as more and more people can see through the lies of the west.
Russia is a great country and people should be happy to be part of it.
They are strong. The strong make the rules while the weak follow.
rh200, since Iraq things have changed, somehow Washington has regained control of Europe, that is because they are strong, I may disagree with them but they do understand how the game is played.
Maybe just maybe things will change as more and more people can see through the lies of the west.
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I am here to help you all understand the situation better. I accept its probably a lost cause.
But I genuinely want to help you all and offer an alternative view point.
Its hard to believe that years after Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya people still believe in the western leadership.
But I genuinely want to help you all and offer an alternative view point.
Its hard to believe that years after Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya people still believe in the western leadership.
Originally Posted by Ronald Reagan
I am here to help you all understand the situation better.
Originally Posted by Ronald
I accept its probably a lost cause.
Originally Posted by Ronald
But I genuinely want to help you all and offer an alternative view point.
Originally Posted by RR
Its hard to believe that years after Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya people still believe in the western leadership.
And from earlier...
Originally Posted by Ronald
You should check out Graham Phillips on facebook the British reporter currently working in the Lugansk area. He has plenty of photographic evidence to show the terrible shelling of civilian areas by the junta forces.
I believe in the leadership of open democracy and the opportunity to vote it out of office as practised in the west rather than the addiction to power shown by Mr. Putin and the lengths he will go to so that he can retain it. Tell me, is he president or prime minister this week?
Oh, and I bet the Cornwall you are from is not the same one as I am living in. Russian flags not a common sight in the Duchy.
Oh, and I bet the Cornwall you are from is not the same one as I am living in. Russian flags not a common sight in the Duchy.
Courtney, you bit!!
Oh, go on then, I'll have a nibble too...
Because the alternative is Russian and/or Chinese leadership and again, Ronald from 'Cornwall', I don't see too many countries queuing up for that option, as palatable as it may seem to you.
Oh, go on then, I'll have a nibble too...
Its hard to believe that years after Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya people still believe in the western leadership
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All we have to see is a collapse of the American Empire and then it will come, either that or a slow gradual decline while the Chinese surpass them.
Then finally we can have peace.
Then finally we can have peace.