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Old 5th Sep 2014, 11:09
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melmothtw
 
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virtually all European leaders are puppets of Washington,
'Washington's puppets' - I'd say that classes as 'American and/or rogue CIA plot' on the Troll Bingo. What do you think Ronald from 'Cornwall'?

Looking forward to crossing off more bingo boxes later this afternoon.


They allow US military bases in their own territory.
To deter Russia, funnily enough.

self determination, does that choice apply to the people of eastern Ukraine or just Kiev and the western parts of the country? Talking about self determination, how about the choice of the British people over EU membership and NATO membership?! Sadly you do not always get to chose your nations destiny.
I grant you, self determination is a tricky one as nearly every country in the world has at least one seperatist minority, but if Putin wants to apply seperatism for the groups you mentioned, will he be as accommodating towards the Siberians, Chechans, and the host of other 'Russian' minorities who want out?

What has the British situation with the EU and NATO got to do with self-determination? Besides the fact we are set to get a vote on the EU, we elect the UK government which makes the decisions (rightly or wrongly) on our behalf. That's called democracy, Ronald from 'Cornwall'.

NATO is not a defensive organisation, just look at its role in Libya. It is a dangerous and provocative organisation
Yes, look at its role in Libya, where it averted a genocide. Let's also look at its role in Kosovo and Bosnia where it did the same, and while Afghanistan may not have worked out as hoped, NATO's intentions were honourable there also.

The fact remains, Ronald from 'Cornwall', that countries are queing up to join NATO. Where is the line to restart the Warsaw Pact?
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