Ukraine Crisis 2014
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Many in the west regard Iraq as illegal Mel.
As for Libya William Hague said it was about protecting civilians and not about regime change! We all know what happened there. The west removing legitimate leaderships and spreading terrorism as usual.
You have to remember most of the world organisations are simply western fronts to help keep the west in control.
Russia is very much right to bring peace to Ukraine. Maybe they can bring peace to the whole country. It really does not matter if Russian troops are in Ukraine or not. As one can see from Crimea they are welcomed as heroes and liberators from the tyranny and oppression of the Kiev junta. The Russian troops really are heroes fighting against the evil and injustice of the world.
As for Libya William Hague said it was about protecting civilians and not about regime change! We all know what happened there. The west removing legitimate leaderships and spreading terrorism as usual.
You have to remember most of the world organisations are simply western fronts to help keep the west in control.
Russia is very much right to bring peace to Ukraine. Maybe they can bring peace to the whole country. It really does not matter if Russian troops are in Ukraine or not. As one can see from Crimea they are welcomed as heroes and liberators from the tyranny and oppression of the Kiev junta. The Russian troops really are heroes fighting against the evil and injustice of the world.
Many in the west regard Iraq as illegal Mel
As for Libya William Hague said it was about protecting civilians and not about regime change! We all know what happened there. The west removing legitimate leaderships and spreading terrorism as usual.
You have to remember most of the world organisations are simply western fronts to help keep the west in control
Russia is very much right to bring peace to Ukraine. Maybe they can bring peace to the whole country. It really does not matter if Russian troops are in Ukraine or not.
The Russian troops really are heroes fighting against the evil and injustice of the world.
As one can see from Crimea they are welcomed as heroes and liberators from the tyranny and oppression of the Kiev junta
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean...ferendum,_2014
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The legitimate leader of Ukraine was Yanukovych, once ousted by the west with their coup the so called authorities became a lot less legitimate. He should have still been the President until next year as his term in office did not end until then. They did not like the fact he would not with the EU so they punished him.
Sorry Ronald, but you don't laud a foreign invasion of a sovereign European country and annexation of swathes of its territory (not to mention the downing of a civilan airliner with the deaths of nearly 300 innocent people in the process - you seem to be strangely quiet on that), and then get to preach about 'legitimacy'.
I could say that Yanukovych was ousted by his own people in a popular uprising, who then replaced him with a new president in a democratic election, but I know I'd be wasting my breath, so to speak.
I could say that Yanukovych was ousted by his own people in a popular uprising, who then replaced him with a new president in a democratic election, but I know I'd be wasting my breath, so to speak.
Russia is very much right to bring peace to Ukraine.
Yep, the cloak-and-dagger nature of Russia's involvement (remember the little green men?) tells you all you need to know about Putin's understanding of the legitimacy of his actions.
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Do we mean a bit like when western special forces were rumoured to be in Libya or the recent announcement that a US mission was launched into Syria! Washington at the moment actually talks that it may launch strikes into Syria and yet not seek permission from the legitimate government. No comrades, the west are as always the bad guys.
Hopefully President Putin can liberate other nations in the future also.
Hopefully President Putin can liberate other nations in the future also.
Do we mean a bit like when western special forces were rumoured to be in Libya or the recent announcement that a US mission was launched into Syria!
No comrades, the west are as always the bad guys.
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So Mel, you mean special forces missions into nations without said governments permission? So no permission from Gaddafi or Assad for missions or airstrikes into their nations? Russia on the other hand has had repeated requests to deploy troops made to it from the leaders of the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics. So the Russian's have been invited. I would say so far they have been very restrained in their actions.
So as we can see Russia has not done a single thing wrong.
So as we can see Russia has not done a single thing wrong.
Permission not needed when UN mandate in place (1441 for Iraq, 1973 for Libya, and none for Syria because no strikes were ever launched).
Requests from puppet leaders/governments for foreign intervention from their sponsors are the oldest trick in the book Ronald from 'Cornwall', as you well know, and do not confer legitimacy.
Anyhow, I feel I'm going round the houses with you (that's a popular saying here in the English-speaking world for 'getting nowhere' - you should look it up in the Kremlin library to further your understanding of western culture so as to appear just a little more bone fide, because no one here is currently buying your act).
TTFN.
Requests from puppet leaders/governments for foreign intervention from their sponsors are the oldest trick in the book Ronald from 'Cornwall', as you well know, and do not confer legitimacy.
Anyhow, I feel I'm going round the houses with you (that's a popular saying here in the English-speaking world for 'getting nowhere' - you should look it up in the Kremlin library to further your understanding of western culture so as to appear just a little more bone fide, because no one here is currently buying your act).
TTFN.
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You mean puppet government as in the European and other western governments obeying their masters in Washington? Never daring to truly oppose them in any substantial way, occasionally offering token disapproval but then backing down from what appears to be fear and terror.
The west had no right what so ever to use special forces in Libya or Syria but if the rumours are true it appears that they did and western governments hid this fact from their own people. With Libya western governments went to a great deal of effort to state there would be no boots on the ground. Again so much for the word of the west! Imagine that, using military forces and not openly admitting to the fact!
The rumours also stated that there was a western run special forces training camp close to Syria to train terrorists who could then go and wage war in Syria, yet some wonder how ISIL became so powerful so fast.
The west had no right what so ever to use special forces in Libya or Syria but if the rumours are true it appears that they did and western governments hid this fact from their own people. With Libya western governments went to a great deal of effort to state there would be no boots on the ground. Again so much for the word of the west! Imagine that, using military forces and not openly admitting to the fact!
The rumours also stated that there was a western run special forces training camp close to Syria to train terrorists who could then go and wage war in Syria, yet some wonder how ISIL became so powerful so fast.
Ronald, stop being so disingenuous. You know very well that there is a world of difference between using limited numbers of special forces for specific missions (everyone does it, including Russia) - forces that will be withdrawn from the country as soon as the mission is complete, compared to using your conventional forces to invade, seize, and hold the territory of a sovereign neighbour. Territory that is then either outright annexed or turned into a vassal state.
You know this Ronald.
You know this Ronald.
So far in Troll Bingo today Ronald, you've had:
BRICS
Junta
Novorussia
Iraq WMDs
NATO expansion
Looking forward to seeing what you come up with tomorrow...
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But Mel the situation in Ukraine justifies Russian intervention as much of this land was part of Russia before and many Russian people live there, these people are in danger from the junta forces.
Besides the Russians have only used a limited number of forces and may withdraw them after the troubles are over. They also seem to be using them for specific missions.
The fake western wars though had no justification what so ever for western military intervention.
Besides the Russians have only used a limited number of forces and may withdraw them after the troubles are over. They also seem to be using them for specific missions.
The fake western wars though had no justification what so ever for western military intervention.
much of this land was part of Russia before and many Russian people live there.
By the same token, I look forward to Putin handing back Kalingrad to Germany and the Kuril Islands to Japan, and respecting Siberian calls for independence
Russia bans Siberia independence march | World news | theguardian.com
Besides the Russians have only used a limited number of forces and may withdraw them after the troubles are over.
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I'm surprised you haven't departed to the Ukraine to join in Ronald, just leave your passport at the departure gate 
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I still am curious as to who RR is trying to convince, himself or some others, as he'd not doing a very good job convincing anyone here to his propga, err, point of view.
Keep him on ropes Mel, you are doing a great job of making him keep digging a deeper and deeper hole.
Reminds of an old line; Ronald Reagan of Pprune, “Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?”
Keep him on ropes Mel, you are doing a great job of making him keep digging a deeper and deeper hole.
Reminds of an old line; Ronald Reagan of Pprune, “Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?”