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Old 2nd Mar 2014, 16:40
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does the international community simply let Russia continue to occupy part of a sovereign state?
Never seemed to be bothered when it was US and anybody else doing it or countries openly supplying weapons to overthrow others like Saudi / Qatar etc are doing.

OR

Are you suggesting its different because its the Russians doing it ?
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Old 2nd Mar 2014, 16:47
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Here's the Welfare Man telling Romney that Russia is not a threat.

Spot on wasn't WM?

Remember Obama Mocking Romney With This Comment About Russia During A 2012 Debate? | Independent Journal Review


Then of course there is the fact Sarah Palin correctly warned of the dangers of Welfare Man and his Foreign Policy decisions!

Did Sarah Palin Predict Russia Invading Ukraine If Obama Got Elected? | TheBlaze.com
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Old 2nd Mar 2014, 17:11
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Leon Jabachjabicz; not wishing to p**s on anyone's fireworks, the Crimean War kicked off with the French and then the Ottomans' reaction to Russian expansion. I know it's nice to think that we lit every fuse in the 19th C but in this case we had treaty/agreement arrangements with the French and the Ottomans. Anyway, re acquiring Tread centreline.
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Old 2nd Mar 2014, 18:23
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That was the time Obama thought everything in the world was rosy and everyone would bow at his feet, hang up arms and hold hands in a circle while they sung Kumbuya !

Then reality hit
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From Saturday's 'The Times':-

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Old 2nd Mar 2014, 18:33
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Calm down .......

Guys, your all worrying over nothing........

if those ruskies cause any problems after they get kicked out of the G8 they`ll have to get past the British Army Overseas Rhine (BAOR) first.....

If that fails we can put our naval fleet between them and good old blighty in the channel, specifically using our aircraft carriers and Harriers to give them a bloody nose...

finally finishing the stragglers off with our volunteer reserves on home defence......

we might even be able to send our nimrods north from one of our scottish airbases to scout out the fleet as they head round the coast to give us as much notice as they can....

It`ll be sorted then
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Old 2nd Mar 2014, 20:13
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You just don't in the 21st Century behave in 19th Century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped up pretext."
This statement was from US Secretary of State John Kerry on 2nd March 2014.

Kerry?s claim that he opposed Bush?s invasion of Iraq

Sometimes you wonder how many faces someone can have.
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Old 2nd Mar 2014, 20:27
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So what are you saying racedo? It is ok to invade another country on a jumped-up pretext?
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Old 2nd Mar 2014, 20:35
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So what are you saying racedo? It is ok to invade another country on a jumped-up pretext?
Seems to be ok for everybody else to do it so why not
or is it in John Kerrys case that he was opposed to it before he was in favour of it.
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Old 2nd Mar 2014, 20:38
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It's all right for everybody else to do it, so why not? That's your argument??!

If it's hypocrisy you're looking to expose racedo, how about you comment on the Putin cartoon strip above?
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Old 2nd Mar 2014, 20:56
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For a Russian invasion it seems to be a very tame one where the population of the area concerned are welcoming them with open arms......

Ukraine as a country came into existence 25 years ago remember.
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It last threw off its Soviet (Russian) shackles 23 years ago. Not quite the same thing racedo.
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Old 2nd Mar 2014, 21:17
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What part of "The UK and France declared war on the Russians and the rest is history" did you not understand? It was in March 1854 and we most definately declared war.

The French sent ~400,000 personnel and the Brits ~250,000. We lost about 20,000 personnel - only about 2,000 in action and the restto disease. The Ottomans had about 300,000.

Back on glidepath, back on centreline!

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Old 2nd Mar 2014, 21:28
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USA in Grenada/Panama. Discuss.
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Old 2nd Mar 2014, 22:11
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It last threw off its Soviet (Russian) shackles 23 years ago. Not quite the same thing racedo.
It elected its last President in 2010 who were overthrown by a mob.

Ukraine as a country has only existed since breakup of USSR, not before.
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Old 2nd Mar 2014, 22:40
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Originally Posted by Leon Jabachjabicz
What part of "The UK and France declared war on the Russians and the rest is history" did you not understand?
The part where you missed out the Ottomans who were salient to the entire campaign.



Anyway, good suck back.
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For a Russian invasion it seems to be a very tame one where the population of the area concerned are welcoming them with open arms
Thats a point thats in contention, what isn't there's the usual misinformation campaign going on by all sides at the moment.

Whilst I personally believe from the simple demographics it is likely the majority welcomes Russia it is by no means a slam dunk. There are plenty of reasonable sources saying that it isn't and its a lot more complicated than that.

In these things in the face of an overwhelming force of arms supporting one side you usually get the other keep a low profile for a while.

What is telling though is most not all of the violence has been commited by the pro Russians.

Ukraine as a country came into existence 25 years ago remember.
Your point is? The fact is its a soveriegn country now and as such it still means its an invasion of a country that even though there has been some serious political upheavel, the so called western side has gone out of its way to try and make sure there where going to be no anti-russian consequences.

It elected its last President in 2010 who were overthrown by a mob.
Hardley, his own Forces refused to take drastic action against the protestors, he ran. His own parlament elected by the people voted him out as they are entitled to.
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Old 2nd Mar 2014, 23:12
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Hardley, his own Forces refused to take drastic action against the protestors, he ran. His own parlament elected by the people voted him out as they are entitled to.
Are they ?

Can you show the Ukranian laws which allows for that ?

Seems everybody is stating that because they did it then its allowed by law but is it ?

Ukraine is as much a Sovreign state as Serbia was when West decided to dismember it.

Problem West has is that because of its interference and dismemberment of many different states then it pretty much has Zero credibility and most of the world will not listen.

UK/US/France complaining to UNSC is laughable because they are only complaining because they are not doing it.
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 00:52
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Can you show the Ukranian laws which allows for that ?
Nope, not with out having to get into legalise, but it does appear to be the case stated by some reasonable commentators and pollies. That of course doesn't make it true, but frankly most countries that at least are trying to emulate a democratic system usually has a method of removing them if needed.

Any experts on the Ukrainian political legal system out their?
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 01:02
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The Fat is in the Fire now.....

Obama Authorizes Drone Strike On Putin
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