semisonic

Hi guys,

got my OASC debrief and looking at the aptitudes column, what is CRB??

Many thanks.

littleme

Your CRB score is something to do with how you're mind works. It's quickness and ability/agility to work things out. Something definately psychological anyway - hence why they have psychologists at OASC. Following my attendance last year at OASC I was told exactly what it meant as I had a low score. Have clearly forgotton the actual definition but scored much higher this time round than last! Will find out for you in the New Year and let you know - assuming you haven't found out by then of course.

Cheers.

bad livin'

semisonic, interesting - when i applied originally in 1998, myself and the others i was with, although successful, were told only if we'd passed or failed aptitude (i did the tests for the FAA). having passed for pilot and observer i joined the RAF as a pilot and was chopped at the end of JEFTS. i didn't get any more detailed info (including the fact i'd probably have been better suited to being a nav) until i was chopped, generally treated like trash, and thinned out onto the streets. i'm now in the RN and wish I'd come straight here!

best of luck
BL

littleme

Right...have so far managed to find out that CRB stands for - Critical Reasoning Battery. Am still on the case as to how they are marking this though. I.e. what's a good score and what's not!

Will post again on my next find!

Cheers

LM

ozzieb88

Hi,

I started the ATC about 2 years ago on my 13th birthday, always wanted to join the RAF and fly. I quit the ATC last year to get a part time job to fund my PPL.

Nothings holding me back, however the racism in the army (tv,news etc) has got me concerned. Im a british asian, ethnic origin indian.

How much racism is in the RAF? because thats the only thing holding me back, i aint scared its jsut i dont want 12 years long service to wake up to a bull**** life

all info will help

oz

Pilgrim101

Go for it son, serve your Country and flip the x% racists (I won't say f k because you are so young).

They're everywhere you go in life, it's your job to stick a finger up their nose whatever career you choose !

opso

In all seriousness, ozzieb88, in my experience racism in the RAF is no worse than in the civilian world and compared to some of the places my wife (pure civvy) has worked, the RAF is better! Don't let racism be a reason for putting you off the RAF. There will be a fair share of bull**** in the services for anyone, but it is unlikley to be any worse for you than for anyone else.

BigGrecian

There were two indian guys on IOT at the same time as me.
They didn't experience any racism at all and they're great blokes.

Only trouble is the Flt Sgt had trouble telling them apart.

It doesn't matter what background your from, as long as your willing to do the job etc.

Go fot it!
Good Luck at OASC when you get there.

joe2812

Racism should be the least of your worries!

The fact there might not even be an RAF by the time you come of age should be much more scary!

BEagle

My best chum at RAFC in 1968 was a Pakistani AF academy chap on exchange. And I used to enjoy the banter with an Indian navigator chum who revelled in his nickname of 'Chart Wallah' - as did he.

Use the positive side of your ethnic origins to your advantage. 5 minute talk? Do it on Indian cuisine - and politely tell the 'red monkeys' that they know b*gger all about a good curry or whatever, perhaps.

There are far, far fewer racist bigots in the RAF than in civilian society - and even less than the media would have you believe! But political correctness has made even mutually acceptable banter a risk these days.

Don't worry about it!

FJJP

First of all, forget the sensationalism generated by the gutter press. Throughout my 38 years in the RAF as a pilot, I did not encounter racism at all, and I served with a number of races of all ranks [the latest a Pakistani SAC, about 3 years ago].

The latest appointments list in the press shows an Air Commodore posted to MOD - he's Jamaican and a fast jet QFI; race has no bearing - ability does.

Finally, get back into the ATC. OASC sets great store on evidence of motivation, and there is no greater evidence than membership of that organisation. You should be able to organise your life to allow you to attend most drill nights as well as earning part time - thousands of us have done it in the past. You may have to sacrifice some of your social life, but the rewards long term outweigh the short term. Besides, it's another example of motivation where you can show the Board that you have prioritised your time to fulfill your life-long ambition to fly in the Royal Air Force.

Joining the RAF should be an almost obsessive focus in your life next to achieving the best academic qualifications you can possible work for.

Bust a gut - you have a lot of hard work ahead of you, but when you get there you will realise that it was all worth it in the end - especially when you are looking at a target through the Typhoon HUD!

Captain Kirk

Generally speaking, racism and bigotry become less prevalent as education standards improve. As a very technical Service, the RAF needs a very high proportion of intelligent and highly skilled personnel. In my experience, the RAF is very partial to your conduct and competence - but does not give a damn where you are from, what accent you have or what colour you are. Having a Daddy who also served in the 'King's Own Royal Donkey Wallopers' will not help you - your brain and ability to work in a team will.

I am not saying that is does not exist but it certainly is not tolerated. I don't think he would mind if I posted that the Jag force have a flight commander with first-generation Indian heritage (poor chap does have to endure appearing in an inordinate amout of PR shots though!) so you need not be concerned as to any race-ceiling.

As I recall, the BBC did a 'Look East' series, one programme of which focused upon Asians in the Armed Forces, almost all of whom were very positive. You may be able to track down a copy - it would give you a useful second opinion.

Bottom line is come on in - if you are good enough, you'll do well!

16 blades

I can honestly say I have never witnessed any open racism in the RAF in 13 years of service. We do not care what colour somebody's skin is, only whether or not they can do their job.

The people who get grief are those who try to blame their shortcomings on their ethnic origin / gender / background, or those who think their 'status' entitles them to different treatment to everybody else. People like this are, however, few and far between and don't tend to last very long in the service. Race / gender, etc simply is not an issue, unless you try to make an issue out of it.

Go for it - you will have the time of your life. Good luck.

16B

JessTheDog

I've worked with quite a few officers and airmen from ethnic backgrounds and I have never witnessed any racial abuse or discrimination; I am convinced that any instances would be dealt with severely. This is partly a reflection on the RAF judging on the merits of potential and performance and the shared culture, but more to do with wider changes in UK society over the last 20 years.

lineslime

If you are serious about a career in the RAF for crying out loud go for a commission. The prospects are better than groundcrew and the pension is better. I'm sure beer is cheaper in the mess as well (SNCO's mess excluded). As for racial discrimination, I can't say I have seen any. I know a chap from Trinidad and he is doing really well, as well as groundcrew can do, and is well respected amongst his peers.

joe2812

For those who want to read before they post... Mods can make sticky or delete either way, no harm done eh?

I'll keep these links are a .txt for the time being anyway...

These are threads since about Jan '03 which i think are relevant and i've seen come up often... as the football tonight is rather lame, thought i'd give it a go and try and be useful for once - if not, what do I know, i'm just a sixth former!

Note: these are aimed at pilot wannabes, Engineers, Navs, ATC'er will have to to their own searches!

Joining the RAF?


http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=126501 (How to get sponsorship)

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=150251 (What to expect from aptitude testing)

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=148179 (General information - Interviews)

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=141588 (OASC Information - General)

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=140220 (OASC Information - Illegal drug use)

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=141121 (OASC Information - General)

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=140106 (OASC Information - NC Aircrew)

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=128136 (OASC Information - Fitness)

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=123947 (Direct Entry and Graduate Entry)

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=123460 (Branch change information)

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=121993 (OASC Information - General)

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=121285 (IOT Information - General)

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=118946 (OASC Information - General)

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=113914 (RAF Commissioning)

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=105729 (OASC Information - General)

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=140283 (Degree vs Direct Entry by yours truely)

Search for 'OASC' http://www.pprune.org/forums/search....der=descending


Joining the RN?


http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=163385

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=155916

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=122133

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=125855

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...threadid=65110

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...threadid=64435

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...threadid=65019

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...threadid=38891

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...threadid=39461

Search for 'AIB' http://www.pprune.org/forums/search....der=descending


Joining the Army (AAC)?


http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=121065

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=161010

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=161010

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=140600

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=117087

Search for 'AAC' http://www.pprune.org/forums/search....der=descending

joe2812

wishtobflying - I did the links, feel free to write descriptions mate but I find my way preserves the sense of excitement and surprise!

And will copy the thread across to the other forum if people find it useful...

Rockapemk2

I've recently been steered in this direction by some of your other user about a question I have.

Im in the early stages of an application to join the Royal Air Force as a Regiment Officer with WSO as my second branch choice.

I was in ATC for 7 years then joined OTC last year. However I am considering changing to RAFaux now as OTC doesnt seem to be presenting much of a challenge.

My question is will the board at OASC see this as a bad thing and dwell upon it as being a sign that i cant commit to something or dont take things seriously?

T

Safety_Helmut

You sound just the sort the Air Force are after.

idle-centralise

As long as you can back up why you changed over, it won't be a problem