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And the last 2 posts (assuming I get this in quick) show why the service and the company, whilst (probably) often sharing the same basic aim, end up worlds apart due to a lack of understanding of what the other is on about.
The company, being a PLC, should indeed be aiming at maximising the share price (not necessarily the same as making profits, but often the two go hand in hand), to maximise return to the owners...ie the shareholders. A good engineer will indeed identify with their work, and will find it hard to believe that anybody else could have a closer relationship with it, or a greater desire to see it work as well as it can.
Which all fades to nothing when you are at 5000 ft, 20 miles from an enemy DDG, and the 'stealth mode' knob falls off.
It's like Turkeys and Reindeer at Christmas, frankly - the Reindeer are determined to provide a good service, but the turkey is REALLY COMMITTED.
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The company, being a PLC, should indeed be aiming at maximising the share price (not necessarily the same as making profits, but often the two go hand in hand), to maximise return to the owners...ie the shareholders. A good engineer will indeed identify with their work, and will find it hard to believe that anybody else could have a closer relationship with it, or a greater desire to see it work as well as it can.
Which all fades to nothing when you are at 5000 ft, 20 miles from an enemy DDG, and the 'stealth mode' knob falls off.
It's like Turkeys and Reindeer at Christmas, frankly - the Reindeer are determined to provide a good service, but the turkey is REALLY COMMITTED.
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Kawasaki XP1 (no not a motorbike), what price we build it under license in 5 years time? The politics (UN not national-well maybe) would be immense but you have to start somewhere. A snip at $114m each.
Simultaneously, start R&D for the Mark 2, with more British kit, get another 10 into service, then refit the Mk 1s to Mk 2 standard. Three squadrons plus the OCU for less than the cost of 9 Nimrods.
What shall we call the beast? How about Triton? The son of Neptune, he had the ability to calm the waves.
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What shall we call the beast? How about Triton? The son of Neptune, he had the ability to calm the waves.
Should the Brits fly a jet called Triton (which was talked about a year or so back), we could never go near American and Australian MPA crews...
For all we would get is...
"Who's your planes daddy?"
Simultaneously, start R&D for the Mark 2, with more British kit, get another 10 into service, then refit the Mk 1s to Mk 2 standard. Three squadrons plus the OCU for less than the cost of 9 Nimrods.
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Correct. However, sooner or later HMG will have to re-establish a viable MPA force. This seems to me to be the best way. (I don't think the P8 will be very effective.)
Let's hope they start to build the new fleet before too much expertise and experience is lost.
PS If the Poseidon is used in counter-drug operations, will it be called the OP8?
Correct. However, sooner or later HMG will have to re-establish a viable MPA force. This seems to me to be the best way. (I don't think the P8 will be very effective.)
Let's hope they start to build the new fleet before too much expertise and experience is lost.
PS If the Poseidon is used in counter-drug operations, will it be called the OP8?
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My point was not that the company shouldn't care about profit but whilst their sole interest was in profit, the product suffered. The buoys and girls I worked with on the ground cared very much about their product, but it is management who control the show and their career is determined by a spreadsheet.
I should have said Kawasaki XP1 not THE motorbike, on the other hand the picture is much nicer.
My point was not that the company shouldn't care about profit but whilst their sole interest was in profit, the product suffered. The buoys and girls I worked with on the ground cared very much about their product, but it is management who control the show and their career is determined by a spreadsheet.
I should have said Kawasaki XP1 not THE motorbike, on the other hand the picture is much nicer.
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"US Navy explores contractor-operated Global Discovery MPA plan
The US Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR) has revealed a previously undisclosed plan, under the moniker of the Global Discovery Maritime Patrol Aircraft (GD MPA), to contract for a contractor-operated MPA service to support counter-narcotic operations. According to a request for information (RfI) issued by NAVAIR on 16 April 2010, the Naval Air Warfare Center (NAWC), in support of the Counter Narcoterrorism Technology Program Office, has a requirement for two contractor-owned/contractor-operated manned aircraft with an eight-hour mission endurance"
Any takers BAE does have a presence in the USA, there are also some ladies from Dirty Harrys that could do with the income boost!
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The US Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR) has revealed a previously undisclosed plan, under the moniker of the Global Discovery Maritime Patrol Aircraft (GD MPA), to contract for a contractor-operated MPA service to support counter-narcotic operations. According to a request for information (RfI) issued by NAVAIR on 16 April 2010, the Naval Air Warfare Center (NAWC), in support of the Counter Narcoterrorism Technology Program Office, has a requirement for two contractor-owned/contractor-operated manned aircraft with an eight-hour mission endurance"
Any takers BAE does have a presence in the USA, there are also some ladies from Dirty Harrys that could do with the income boost!
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Hi gents
News from Woodford is that two hangared aircraft, (PA13) which has been moved outside today and (PA09) which should follow tomorrow, will be the first aircraft to be scrapped.
What a complete waste of money.
Hunty
News from Woodford is that two hangared aircraft, (PA13) which has been moved outside today and (PA09) which should follow tomorrow, will be the first aircraft to be scrapped.
What a complete waste of money.
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Seriously.......there needs to be a public inquiry, how can the people who have made these decisions get away with this scandalous public waste? Not only in monetary terms but people losing their jobs and livelihoods.
To sweep all this under the carpet is a bigger scandal than the banking crisis.
When are people going to be held accountable for their actions in this joke of a country
To sweep all this under the carpet is a bigger scandal than the banking crisis.
When are people going to be held accountable for their actions in this joke of a country
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Seriously.......there needs to be a public inquiry, how can the people who have made these decisions get away with this scandalous public waste? Not only in monetary terms but people losing their jobs and livelihoods.
Nimrod was not only about sub hunting and SAR, the aircraft, and extremely highly trained crews, were involved in far more than that - and for the past decade, and more, the 'other' roles were in such demand (by the many agencies that utilised the aircraft) that far more hours were spent flying them that ASW or SAR.
An absolute disgrace
Because Woodford is prime real estate!
BAe never have, and never will have any regard to heritage. No-one at Hatfield ever thought that place would shut but it did. It's all about bottom line and you can moan all you like about loosing jobs and livelihoods, it all counts for diddly squat at the end of the day.
Whatever the (real) reasons are for the cancellation of this project, lobbying and petitions are not going to get the decision changed. This country has an alarming history of making major boo boos when it comes to our aircraft industry. Sadly, this will just be another example of it.
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Because Woodford is prime real estate!
Stockport Metropolitan Borough Council - LDF Core Strategy DPD - Core Strategy DPD: Preferred Options Consultation
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manccowboy. An interesting link, thanks (don't organisations date their documents anymore).
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't bruiser Prescott sneak through an Act that classified all aerodromes as "brown field" sites?
http://www.pprune.org/military-aircr...velopment.html
8.27 The whole of the aerodrome lies within the Green Belt and as such there is significant constraint on the type of development that can take place on the site.
http://www.pprune.org/military-aircr...velopment.html
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Why scrap so quickly
Postman Plod,
Because DE&S have funds set aside to pay for cancellation this FY and nothing in FY 11/12. If it goes into next FY, something else will have to be cut to pay for the MRA4 cancellation costs.
You could not make it up.
Because DE&S have funds set aside to pay for cancellation this FY and nothing in FY 11/12. If it goes into next FY, something else will have to be cut to pay for the MRA4 cancellation costs.
You could not make it up.