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Mechanical issue prevents HMS Queen Elizabeth from sailing on NATO exercise
During last-minute checks ahead of sailing for NATO exercise Steadfast Defender, it has been discovered that HMS Queen Elizabeth has a significant issue with her starboard propeller shaft. The ship will not sail on 4th February as planned and instead, HMS Prince of Wales will be readied to replace her.
The RN has instituted additional checks on the aircraft carrier’s shaft lines as a result of the painful lessons learned from past experience with HMS Prince of Wales. In the course of an inspection, concerns have arisen around one of the couplings on the starboard shaft.
It should be noted that this is not the same problem that afflicted HMS Prince of Wales. Although the ship remains in class (ie. technically seaworthy), it has been decided as a sensible precaution, to withdraw her from the exercise until the issue can be thoroughly investigated and remedied.
The Fleet Commander said: “Routine pre-sailing checks yesterday identified an issue with a coupling on HMS Queen Elizabeth’s starboard propeller shaft. As such, the ship will not sail on Sunday. HMS Prince of Wales will take the place of HMS Queen Elizabeth on NATO duties and will set sail for Exercise Steadfast Defender as soon as possible.“
Mechanical issue prevents HMS Queen Elizabeth from sailing on NATO exercise
During last-minute checks ahead of sailing for NATO exercise Steadfast Defender, it has been discovered that HMS Queen Elizabeth has a significant issue with her starboard propeller shaft. The ship will not sail on 4th February as planned and instead, HMS Prince of Wales will be readied to replace her.
The RN has instituted additional checks on the aircraft carrier’s shaft lines as a result of the painful lessons learned from past experience with HMS Prince of Wales. In the course of an inspection, concerns have arisen around one of the couplings on the starboard shaft.
It should be noted that this is not the same problem that afflicted HMS Prince of Wales. Although the ship remains in class (ie. technically seaworthy), it has been decided as a sensible precaution, to withdraw her from the exercise until the issue can be thoroughly investigated and remedied.
The Fleet Commander said: “Routine pre-sailing checks yesterday identified an issue with a coupling on HMS Queen Elizabeth’s starboard propeller shaft. As such, the ship will not sail on Sunday. HMS Prince of Wales will take the place of HMS Queen Elizabeth on NATO duties and will set sail for Exercise Steadfast Defender as soon as possible.“
https://www.navylookout.com/mechanic...nato-exercise/
Mechanical issue prevents HMS Queen Elizabeth from sailing on NATO exercise
During last-minute checks ahead of sailing for NATO exercise Steadfast Defender, it has been discovered that HMS Queen Elizabeth has a significant issue with her starboard propeller shaft. The ship will not sail on 4th February as planned and instead, HMS Prince of Wales will be readied to replace her.
The RN has instituted additional checks on the aircraft carrier’s shaft lines as a result of the painful lessons learned from past experience with HMS Prince of Wales. In the course of an inspection, concerns have arisen around one of the couplings on the starboard shaft.
It should be noted that this is not the same problem that afflicted HMS Prince of Wales. Although the ship remains in class (ie. technically seaworthy), it has been decided as a sensible precaution, to withdraw her from the exercise until the issue can be thoroughly investigated and remedied.
The Fleet Commander said: “Routine pre-sailing checks yesterday identified an issue with a coupling on HMS Queen Elizabeth’s starboard propeller shaft. As such, the ship will not sail on Sunday. HMS Prince of Wales will take the place of HMS Queen Elizabeth on NATO duties and will set sail for Exercise Steadfast Defender as soon aspp possible.“
Mechanical issue prevents HMS Queen Elizabeth from sailing on NATO exercise
During last-minute checks ahead of sailing for NATO exercise Steadfast Defender, it has been discovered that HMS Queen Elizabeth has a significant issue with her starboard propeller shaft. The ship will not sail on 4th February as planned and instead, HMS Prince of Wales will be readied to replace her.
The RN has instituted additional checks on the aircraft carrier’s shaft lines as a result of the painful lessons learned from past experience with HMS Prince of Wales. In the course of an inspection, concerns have arisen around one of the couplings on the starboard shaft.
It should be noted that this is not the same problem that afflicted HMS Prince of Wales. Although the ship remains in class (ie. technically seaworthy), it has been decided as a sensible precaution, to withdraw her from the exercise until the issue can be thoroughly investigated and remedied.
The Fleet Commander said: “Routine pre-sailing checks yesterday identified an issue with a coupling on HMS Queen Elizabeth’s starboard propeller shaft. As such, the ship will not sail on Sunday. HMS Prince of Wales will take the place of HMS Queen Elizabeth on NATO duties and will set sail for Exercise Steadfast Defender as soon aspp possible.“
I weep for my country.
Beyond belief.
Apologists step forward and lie to me that those responsible for defence of the realm are not over promoted brown nosers.
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What's the naval equivalent of hangar queen?
"technically sea-worthy"
I guess that means "still floating"
I guess that means "still floating"
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Now we know why they went for the F-35B, no need for a wind over the deck!
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"Demonstrating the value of having two aircraft carriers, at very short notice the ship’s company of HMS Prince of Wales have been told to prepare to sail. This process will probably take a week or so and will involve rapidly accelerating existing maintenance tasks, the transfer of equipment from her sister as well as storing and fuelling ship.HMS Prince of Wales was due to take over as flagship from her sister later this year but will now have to work up much more rapidly than planned as she has yet to embark more than a couple of jets or a full air group. 2024 continues to be difficult for the RN but being able to adapt and overcome is a core value of the service."
I guess that one way of spinning it.................
I guess that one way of spinning it.................
Thread Starter
HMS Queen Elizabeth returned from NATO tasking in December - both carriers have spent time on NATO operations, including the first part of the CSG21 deployment:
Italian ship joins Carrier Strike Group after NATO exercise in the Atlantic - 02 June 2021
HMS Prince of Wales departs Portsmouth to lead NATO task force in the Arctic - 07 March 2022
HMS Prince of Wales heads on Atlantic and Mediterranean mission - 26 May 2022
Britain’s flagship heads for the USA ahead of autumn on European operations - 07 Oct 2022
HMS Queen Elizabeth heads on F-35 jet exercises in northern European waters - 10 Nov 22
Five carriers deployed around Europe – including HMS Queen Elizabeth – demonstrates NATO unity and resolve - 18 Nov 22
Royal Navy flagship sails to lead international Carrier Strike Group deployment - 09 Sept 23
UK flagship under NATO command for the first time - 09 November 23
Queen Elizabeth was due for a major maintenance period after Steadfast Defender. I wonder how long it will take to get Prince of Wales ready. At the time of the invasion of the Falklands, Hermes was in a maintenance period but was made ready in a few days. Invincible had a locked shaft all the way down to Ascension.
Italian ship joins Carrier Strike Group after NATO exercise in the Atlantic - 02 June 2021
HMS Prince of Wales departs Portsmouth to lead NATO task force in the Arctic - 07 March 2022
HMS Prince of Wales heads on Atlantic and Mediterranean mission - 26 May 2022
Britain’s flagship heads for the USA ahead of autumn on European operations - 07 Oct 2022
HMS Queen Elizabeth heads on F-35 jet exercises in northern European waters - 10 Nov 22
Five carriers deployed around Europe – including HMS Queen Elizabeth – demonstrates NATO unity and resolve - 18 Nov 22
Royal Navy flagship sails to lead international Carrier Strike Group deployment - 09 Sept 23
UK flagship under NATO command for the first time - 09 November 23
Queen Elizabeth was due for a major maintenance period after Steadfast Defender. I wonder how long it will take to get Prince of Wales ready. At the time of the invasion of the Falklands, Hermes was in a maintenance period but was made ready in a few days. Invincible had a locked shaft all the way down to Ascension.
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"Demonstrating the value of having two aircraft carriers, at very short notice the ship’s company of HMS Prince of Wales have been told to prepare to sail. This process will probably take a week or so and will involve rapidly accelerating existing maintenance tasks, the transfer of equipment from her sister as well as storing and fuelling ship.HMS Prince of Wales was due to take over as flagship from her sister later this year but will now have to work up much more rapidly than planned as she has yet to embark more than a couple of jets or a full air group. 2024 continues to be difficult for the RN but being able to adapt and overcome is a core value of the service."
I guess that one way of spinning it.................
I guess that one way of spinning it.................
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Thread Starter
It is a quote from the Navy Lookout article that ORAC quoted, not a statement from the MOD/RN. NATO is currently having its largest exercise in over thirty years, the first part of which was is transatlantic reinforcement, moving forces into the Northern Norwegian Sea and conducting an amphibious landing. I was looking forward to a demonstration of of the carrier defending reinforcement shipping and amphibious forces from air and submarine threats.
Remember on Harrier gr7 when some bright spark suggested moving the sqn badge to a removable panel to swop around when a/c changed sqns. We could do the same with the carriers name plates to prevent embarrassment.
It is a quote from the Navy Lookout article that ORAC quoted, not a statement from the MOD/RN. NATO is currently having its largest exercise in over thirty years, the first part of which was is transatlantic reinforcement, moving forces into the Northern Norwegian Sea and conducting an amphibious landing. I was looking forward to a demonstration of of the carrier defending reinforcement shipping and amphibious forces from air and submarine threats.
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This article is more than three years old.....have the noted problems been resolved?
Was the article unfair in its offeringings re the UK Carrier program and its collateral programs?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...es-or-escorts/
Was the article unfair in its offeringings re the UK Carrier program and its collateral programs?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...es-or-escorts/
The problems will be "resolved" (or not!) by 2026, 2028, 2030.... whenever the latest project plan says it will be.
By which time all the senior people involved will have retired (probably with a Knighthood) on a large pension and won't be held accountable for any gross mismanagement that happened on their "watch".
By which time all the senior people involved will have retired (probably with a Knighthood) on a large pension and won't be held accountable for any gross mismanagement that happened on their "watch".
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Sixty-one years passed between the launching on HMS Hermes, the previous RN carrier with the primary role of carrying fixed wing aircraft, and the 'launch' of HMS Queen Elizabeth. She went from commisioning to first effective deployment in far less time than USS Gerald R Ford.
I ask what is the point of pre-sailing checks unless they are meant to reveal any hidden defects. The swap for her sister ship is no big issue, unlike IMO, if this had been PoW in a year's time when QE would be in refit and not available, highlighting once again the need for a third carrier to support a genuine carrier strike capability. Same applies to our current temporary lack of LPD capability but even in the sixties the response the lessons from Suez of the lack of a dedicated amphibious assault capability was probably limited by available funds and the abiding belief that we get to choose our conflicts.
Personally, I think the idea that had the carriers not been bought the money would have remained in the Defence Budget never mind the Navy Command TLB is risible. Probably if three had been intended we would have ended up with two or none.
I ask what is the point of pre-sailing checks unless they are meant to reveal any hidden defects. The swap for her sister ship is no big issue, unlike IMO, if this had been PoW in a year's time when QE would be in refit and not available, highlighting once again the need for a third carrier to support a genuine carrier strike capability. Same applies to our current temporary lack of LPD capability but even in the sixties the response the lessons from Suez of the lack of a dedicated amphibious assault capability was probably limited by available funds and the abiding belief that we get to choose our conflicts.
Personally, I think the idea that had the carriers not been bought the money would have remained in the Defence Budget never mind the Navy Command TLB is risible. Probably if three had been intended we would have ended up with two or none.
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That's all right then, move along, nothing to see here folks.
These are relatively new vessels - the fact that both of them have been taken out of service suddenly so early in their careers is not encouraging.
when you take into account the dreadful business with the T45's there's a pattern starting to form........................
https://www.navylookout.com/mechanic...nato-exercise/
Mechanical issue prevents HMS Queen Elizabeth from sailing on NATO exercise
During last-minute checks ahead of sailing for NATO exercise Steadfast Defender, it has been discovered that HMS Queen Elizabeth has a significant issue with her starboard propeller shaft. The ship will not sail on 4th February as planned and instead, HMS Prince of Wales will be readied to replace her.
The RN has instituted additional checks on the aircraft carrier’s shaft lines as a result of the painful lessons learned from past experience with HMS Prince of Wales. In the course of an inspection, concerns have arisen around one of the couplings on the starboard shaft.
It should be noted that this is not the same problem that afflicted HMS Prince of Wales. Although the ship remains in class (ie. technically seaworthy), it has been decided as a sensible precaution, to withdraw her from the exercise until the issue can be thoroughly investigated and remedied.
The Fleet Commander said: “Routine pre-sailing checks yesterday identified an issue with a coupling on HMS Queen Elizabeth’s starboard propeller shaft. As such, the ship will not sail on Sunday. HMS Prince of Wales will take the place of HMS Queen Elizabeth on NATO duties and will set sail for Exercise Steadfast Defender as soon as possible.“
Mechanical issue prevents HMS Queen Elizabeth from sailing on NATO exercise
During last-minute checks ahead of sailing for NATO exercise Steadfast Defender, it has been discovered that HMS Queen Elizabeth has a significant issue with her starboard propeller shaft. The ship will not sail on 4th February as planned and instead, HMS Prince of Wales will be readied to replace her.
The RN has instituted additional checks on the aircraft carrier’s shaft lines as a result of the painful lessons learned from past experience with HMS Prince of Wales. In the course of an inspection, concerns have arisen around one of the couplings on the starboard shaft.
It should be noted that this is not the same problem that afflicted HMS Prince of Wales. Although the ship remains in class (ie. technically seaworthy), it has been decided as a sensible precaution, to withdraw her from the exercise until the issue can be thoroughly investigated and remedied.
The Fleet Commander said: “Routine pre-sailing checks yesterday identified an issue with a coupling on HMS Queen Elizabeth’s starboard propeller shaft. As such, the ship will not sail on Sunday. HMS Prince of Wales will take the place of HMS Queen Elizabeth on NATO duties and will set sail for Exercise Steadfast Defender as soon as possible.“