RIA Saudi Airlines?

[Twiglet1]

So I guess no fatigue risk regs at RIA then...

[santacruz]

Originally Posted by tinfish

If they really had applications from 45000 pilots then why is the job still advertised on the website.

because as most of us have said already a lot of the 45000 are just fishing for conditions.

there won’t be a lot of serious interest unless the money is seriously good or a really good commuting pattern is offered.

[olster]

I wonder what has happened to the Max order? Supposedly announced at the Dubai Air Show. Just a bit odd to go from imminent to radio silence.

[TBL Warrior]

Originally Posted by santacruz

because as most of us have said already a lot of the 45000 are just fishing for conditions.

there won’t be a lot of serious interest unless the money is seriously good or a really good commuting pattern is offered.

I genuinely believe the situation will mirror China's pre-Covid approach.

Considering plenty left EK for a package of babysitting Chinese cadets, invasive medicals and smoked fulled cockpits for around $20,000 a month, it’s clear there is a market for those willing to endure less-than-ideal conditions for substantial financial gain.

[FlightDetent]

Originally Posted by TBL Warrior

for around $20,000 a month, it’s clear there is a market for those willing to endure less-than-ideal conditions for substantial financial gain.

20k _and_ MoMo, providing about 170 days net home back in your country. That is the deal breaker every airline thread here seems to come back to somehow, and rightly so.

RIA simply needs to significantly increase the number of 'family days' compared to EK and the applicants will be sleeping on the sidewalk to get in. But it's too early for them to create any such rostering scheme and deliver on it.

BTW, what are the rules for factoring heavy-crew hours in the Kingdom, (in-seat, bunk,..)?

[flap1]

Market rates

A brand new company looking for pilots from scratch at market rates... only pilots can define this market rates. But I guess ....
there's always a cheaper whore next door!!!

[Hotclown]

i work for flydubai and i cant wait to move to ria

[The Rage]

Becareful what you wish for, I won't get overly excited about RIA just yet. . The person hired as COO has had quite a history of screwing pilots over. Secondly, Last I heard from friends in the Kingdom, The GACA (CAA) is based on the FAA licence, meaning unless you have a FAA licence, you'll need to redo the whole ATPL including the Type Rating, which may take up to 10 months. And not to mention the dreaded GACA oral exams.

[FlightDetent]

Originally Posted by WrldWide

Not if you put in 85 hrs in that 15 on.

Many takers if the rate is 220$/net and you can buzz off back to own homeland after the duty streak.

[Pif Paf]

[QUOTE=The Rage;11554066, The GACA (CAA) is based on the FAA licence, meaning unless you have a FAA licence, you'll need to redo the whole ATPL including the Type Rating, which may take up to 10 months. And not to mention the dreaded GACA oral exams.[/QUOTE]
I am sure there will be some sort of work around this to get all the current, type rated pilots from Emirates who apply on board quickly, bearing in mind head of flight ops is ex Emirates. They need an experienced core of pilots to get airline going. Having a bunch of pilots known by head of flight ops and trained to level he also understands is a bonus. This work around will probably include type rated ex EY and QR .
More importantly to get these pilots to come in the first place they need to clearly state the terms and conditions early. Lots of conjecture here but no facts. Obviously a commuting contract would be a game changer in the region. The trouble is will they tell us early enough, will it be good enough and will they keep the contracts in place once they have the pilots they need. It’s all about communication and trust, things that are not in great supply in the region

[simba82]

Goodluck finding qualified Engineers huge shortage at the moment

[kungfu panda]

Originally Posted by simba82

Goodluck finding qualified Engineers huge shortage at the moment

I don't think they'll have a problem, Saudia doesn't have an Engineer shortage. They sponsor 1000's of Saudi's to go to the United States to train in these fields. They have 1000's of Saudi's going through Pilot training.

The only shortage there'll be, and it won't last long, is highly experienced longhaul Captains. The lifestyle in Riyadh will prevent 90% of the current Captain applicants ever coming. Riyadh is suitable for Muslims and those wishing to have "no life".

I strongly doubt that commuting is on the table. Certainly not in the first place.

Schooling will be a major Problem. There's one British School and one American school, both with long waiting lists. Other schools, just forget, you don't want to send your kids there.

[Hitchiker]

It’s all about communication and trust, things that are not in great supply in the region

Trust???????There??????
Why the hell do they pay that much then….it’s called backstabbing allowance 😂

[fireball_23]

Not sure where this information comes from, but you don’t need 10 months to convert your non FAA license into GACA. This comes from my personal experience in the kingdom.

[Truetoga]

I think everyone will be greatly dissapointed once the package is announced. They have already said market rates. So don’t expect different from
other middle east airlines. Why do you think they haven’t mentioned any package? This way they can see the interest and then tailor the package…if they had lots of interest already then the package will be standard. Then they will adjust if they don’t get the quality.

also commuting is unlikely especially without an established network for crew to fly in and out easily on time and frequently. I think any EK EY or QR crew that move there would need a psych evaluation unless its not SUBSTANTIALLY more money for the hassle of leaving a “western” living for “compound” living

[TBL Warrior]

Originally Posted by The Rage

The GACA (CAA) is based on the FAA licence, meaning unless you have a FAA licence, you'll need to redo the whole ATPL including the Type Rating

The FAA, along with most GCC countries, does not recognise foreign type ratings. This poses a significant challenge in terms of recruitment if true. For instance, even if an EK Captain holds an FAA license, they would lack the B787 rating on their FAA license because 1) Emirates only provides the 777 rating, not the group rating and 2) the FAA would not recognize the 777/787 rating, necessitating a retraining for the 787 rating via an FAA-approved training programme and self funding the rating - upwards of US$40,000.

Furthermore, even if a pilot has an FAA license with the 787 rating, they would still need to undergo the respective GACA license conversion and rating. Consequently, if RIA stipulates this as a prerequisite, the pool of eligible candidates could be drastically reduced to Etihad or Qatar pilots who have paid to add the 787 to their FAA license, or pilots flying N registered 787’s such as those from Delta, American or United - who are unlikely to be contemplating a move to a Saudi start-up.

In other news, apparently 14/14 is the latest rumour. I will leave it open for future discussion henceforth.

[Mason Stone]

I think there is lots of wishful thinking going on here. You have to remember who you are dealing with. Peter Bellew. He was taken to court by Ryanair for lying and pushed out of easyJet for the disaster he oversaw.

He really really doesn't like pilots. My guess is after they are crewed, the contract will be "refreshed" for "flexibility" and you can either take the pay cut or walk. They'll do it when the market is tight so people have no where to go.

PB's history is widely available online, there is a reason they hired him specifically.

[Jetlag_777]

Unsourced info!

No idea about the source of this information but still sharing!… Happy landings!

Update on *Riyadh Air*

So these numbers are not the official ones but has been *confirmed* to be *approximately right*

Riyadh Air 14/14

Basic : 53000 SAR / month
TRE : 8000 SAR
60 hrs / m : 15000 SAR
Transport : 2500 SAR
Phone/ internet : 500 SAR
Housing : 8500 SAR

Schooling : ( 120000 a year for 2 kids).
Bonus : 100000 SAR / year)
Relocation: 1 month
EO Service : 1 month/ year
Tickets 288000 SAR/ year.

TOTAL : 87500 SAR /month + schooling+ bonus+ tickets.

Tickets are for commuting in business class+ 2 ALT for 4 family members ( no staff tickets until 2026).

TOTAL = 87500 SAR/ month = 21800 € = 23300 USD = 85000 QAR = 86000 AED

[Sam Ting Wong]

I believe conditions at RIA will be sobering.

[kungfu panda]

Originally Posted by Jetlag_777

No idea about the source of this information but still sharing!… Happy landings!

Update on *Riyadh Air*

So these numbers are not the official ones but has been *confirmed* to be *approximately right*

Riyadh Air 14/14

Basic : 53000 SAR / month
TRE : 8000 SAR
60 hrs / m : 15000 SAR
Transport : 2500 SAR
Phone/ internet : 500 SAR
Housing : 8500 SAR

Schooling : ( 120000 a year for 2 kids).
Bonus : 100000 SAR / year)
Relocation: 1 month
EO Service : 1 month/ year
Tickets 288000 SAR/ year.

TOTAL : 87500 SAR /month + schooling+ bonus+ tickets.

Tickets are for commuting in business class+ 2 ALT for 4 family members ( no staff tickets until 2026).

TOTAL = 87500 SAR/ month = 21800 € = 23300 USD = 85000 QAR = 86000 AED

That looks quite close but the 14/14. That will not happen.
End of service we know already because it's saudi law. 2 weeks per year for the first 5 years thereafter 1 month per year. Based on basic salary.