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Old 13th Dec 2023, 06:13
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Riyadh Air 14/14
if so QR,EK and EY should start being seriously worried!
but this part time sounds strange since the Kingdom target will be to let you spending money there
as the ME3 do ,anyway let’s see.
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Originally Posted by The Rage
Becareful what you wish for, I won't get overly excited about RIA just yet. . The person hired as COO has had quite a history of screwing pilots over. Secondly, Last I heard from friends in the Kingdom, The GACA (CAA) is based on the FAA licence, meaning unless you have a FAA licence, you'll need to redo the whole ATPL including the Type Rating, which may take up to 10 months. And not to mention the dreaded GACA oral exams.
you just made the essential point
if a manager is hired with such a history, even been publicly traceable, and still gets the job, is hired for a reason. Despite the fact there are no Labour rights in that region.
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you just made the essential point
if a manager is hired with such a history, even been publicly traceable, and still gets the job, is hired for a reason. Despite the fact there are no Labour rights in that region.
…..self explanatory!
You don’t need to do the atpl from scratch as long as you have 2500 hrs pic/jet time,
If I am not wrong,so it will be only GACA oral exam on aircraft systems.
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Old 13th Dec 2023, 10:25
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Originally Posted by Hitchiker
if so QR,EK and EY should start being seriously worried!
but this part time sounds strange since the Kingdom target will be to let you spending money there
as the ME3 do ,anyway let’s see.
​​​​​​​Im not sure about the ME 3 being worried. How many would actually want to go and live in the Kingdom?
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Im not sure about the ME 3 being worried. How many would actually want to go and live in the Kingdom?
Exactly this. Most captains in the ME probably have established families with kids in school and established lives. Its not a single decision, its a joint decision to uproot everyone and have your wife sitting in a compound for 365 days a year…compared to the life in dxb or abu dhabi..a significant change of lifestyle. I doubt any money would be worth the aggravation in those cases
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Originally Posted by Truetoga
Exactly this. Most captains in the ME probably have established families with kids in school and established lives. Its not a single decision, its a joint decision to uproot everyone and have your wife sitting in a compound for 365 days a year…compared to the life in dxb or abu dhabi..a significant change of lifestyle. I doubt any money would be worth the aggravation in those cases
Moving to Riyadh is not an appealing option for many. For example, my wife is from the region and has no desire to live there. Therefore, I would have to either commute, or find a new spouse. 😕

Besides, I recall how many Sama pilots used to reside in BAH and drive to DMM for work.

Although Saudi Arabia has undergone many changes since 2010, Riyadh remains an unpopular place to live, even among Saudis - just look at Saudia and JED.

This lends credence to the 14/14 roster, and if true would be the only way for most foreigners to seriously consider making the move RIA.
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Old 13th Dec 2023, 15:17
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Moving to Riyadh is not an appealing option for many. For example, my wife is from the region and has no desire to live there. Therefore, I would have to either commute, or find a new spouse. 😕

Besides, I recall how many Sama pilots used to reside in BAH and drive to DMM for work.

Although Saudi Arabia has undergone many changes since 2010, Riyadh remains an unpopular place to live, even among Saudis - just look at Saudia and JED.

This lends credence to the 14/14 roster, and if true would be the only way for most foreigners to seriously consider making the move RIA.
This (maybe fantasy) 14/14 roster. Who are you planning to commute with? I doubt from Day 1, RIA is going to have lots of destinations to let you go happily home every 14 days. So will that mean buying your own tickets on other airlines to get home? I have no idea, just throwing the question into the ring.

Frankly, I can’t see them attracting many people, except perhaps from the Sub Continent.
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@SOPS, didn’t you read this part “Tickets 288000 SAR/ year.”.

As for Riyadh and things to do, well you could attend a Metallica concert if you were there tomorrow? So definitely no point comparing the era of SAMA with today.
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Originally Posted by SOPS
This (maybe fantasy) 14/14 roster. Who are you planning to commute with? I doubt from Day 1, RIA is going to have lots of destinations to let you go happily home every 14 days. So will that mean buying your own tickets on other airlines to get home? I have no idea, just throwing the question into the ring.

Frankly, I can’t see them attracting many people, except perhaps from the Sub Continent.
spot on
14/14 ain’t happening
market rate and best. Best case 22/10 or 28/14
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Old 13th Dec 2023, 23:41
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I am wondering how much longer ppl will be stroking each other with these whoever know coming from numbers.
It's always the same: I heard from a friend that had a friend whose friend went for the interview...
If I attended the interview and was given the offer the numbers would be here tomorrow. wtf is the big deal with saying what are ACTUAL t&c?
I am sure that nothing has been offered to anyone yet. simple as that. and the conditions will be as the rest of the ME operators. there is always enough desperados willing to fly shiny big planes. or quick career progressors with creative pens... bobbing bobbing
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If it is 14/14 then the Saudi's from Saudia will take the jobs. Contrary to popular belief, they do have freedom to change Airlines. Even 20/10 was very popular among the Saudi's.
Saudiisation rules do mean that Saudi nationals will get priority on any job. This is not the UAE. There are plenty of Saudi's wanting these jobs. I understand that there'll be a short period where expats are a "necessary evil".


The more attractive they make it for expats, the more attractive it becomes to Saudi's from Saudia.
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Would it not make sense to assume pay and conditions are very similar to Saudia ( aka not that great) ?

Maybe it's also worth a thought that besides some really cool powerpoints all these projects, including the new airport, do not exist yet.
It might all be just some sheik's wet dream in the end.

And then there is the question of the size of the market as a whole. Air India will get a new airport and loads of airframes, then there is the expansion of Turkish, on top of massive plans of all the other Gulf carriers.

They are all chasing the same customer..

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Old 14th Dec 2023, 06:56
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Originally Posted by kungfu panda
If it is 14/14 then the Saudi's from Saudia will take the jobs. Contrary to popular belief, they do have freedom to change Airlines. Even 20/10 was very popular among the Saudi's.
Saudiisation rules do mean that Saudi nationals will get priority on any job. This is not the UAE. There are plenty of Saudi's wanting these jobs. I understand that there'll be a short period where expats are a "necessary evil".


The more attractive they make it for expats, the more attractive it becomes to Saudi's from Saudia.
its simply numbers and t&c should be out latest in spring to summer 2024 as it take somewhere 7-9 month from handing in the application - selection process - resigning last job- moving and going throu the training to the line check

so they are going to have the one airframe they have to sit on the ground for almost 1,5 years now

if they still start early 2025
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Old 14th Dec 2023, 07:10
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Originally Posted by kungfu panda
If it is 14/14 then the Saudi's from Saudia will take the jobs. Contrary to popular belief, they do have freedom to change Airlines. Even 20/10 was very popular among the Saudi's.
Saudiisation rules do mean that Saudi nationals will get priority on any job. This is not the UAE. There are plenty of Saudi's wanting these jobs. I understand that there'll be a short period where expats are a "necessary evil".


The more attractive they make it for expats, the more attractive it becomes to Saudi's from Saudia.
i don’t understand why people keep dreaming on 14/14

please make the math on a 14/14 roaster from an airlines prospektive - even they would be willing to give it that’s not feasible in terms of planing - especially in a long haul operation

a simple europe layover consumes 35-48 hours with all the rest required
going to the us between 70-90 hours total time where a crew is blocked for that flight
14 day is 336hours so either those 14 days the **** is going to be flown out of the individual or it is totally impractical to roaster hardly anything
please get a fellow in possion of a EK roaster and make the math what is possible or not as those fellows have though schedules on a mix of mid / long / ultra long flying

14/14 can’t be a planing option - never ever


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Old 14th Dec 2023, 10:54
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The 14/14 I have heard directly from someone recruited by RIA in the last month. Lives in EU, and TRE 787. so there you have it.

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Old 14th Dec 2023, 11:13
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The 14/14 I have heard directly from someone recruited by RIA in the last month. Lives in EU, and TRE 787. so there you have it.

EGGW.
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Maybe 14/14 would work for a ground based instructor ? I.e lots of SIM work.

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Old 14th Dec 2023, 15:20
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Originally Posted by EGGW
The 14/14 I have heard directly from someone recruited by RIA in the last month. Lives in EU, and TRE 787. so there you have it.

EGGW.
but you haven't heard anything about the package... 😂
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Old 14th Dec 2023, 20:08
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Originally Posted by EGGW
The 14/14 I have heard directly from someone recruited by RIA in the last month. Lives in EU, and TRE 787. so there you have it.

EGGW.
For the headhunted TRE's they need to start the operation, absolutely.

For Joe Bloggs line pilots? We will see
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Old 14th Dec 2023, 20:48
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As others I have a very hard time to see how they could have 14/14 working.
Can anyone simulate such a schedule?
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