RIA Saudi Airlines?

[MrEnginar]

Airbus fleet

Hi mates,

do you have any information about airbus current status? Any future plan for airbus side?

[FruitLoops]

I got a job offer recently being a 737 skipper. Position for 787 FO. I worry however about Saudization, perhaps they are going to get rid of expats at some point ?

[rudestuff]

Originally Posted by FruitLoops

I got a job offer recently being a 737 skipper. Position for 787 FO. I worry however about Saudization, perhaps they are going to get rid of expats at some point ?

Is that the position you applied for or is there some kind of accelerated command?

[ba77w]

Originally Posted by MrEnginar

Hi mates,

do you have any information about airbus current status? Any future plan for airbus side?

As of now, the first A321 is expected to be delivered around October this year, although everything remains subject to delay. They are currently conducting assessments for A321 TRI and TRE, and soon they should begin assessments for line captains and line first officers as well. The lifestyle roster is coming for the A321, but no one knows exactly when, as they are currently offering full time positions only. A recruiter mentioned that it is expected to be introduced. However, anyone hoping to secure it, whether on Boeing or Airbus, will remain fully subject to staffing and operational requirements.

[ba77w]

Originally Posted by rudestuff

Is that the position you applied for or is there some kind of accelerated command?

There are no accelerated command FO positions at RX like EK is doing. The upgrade plan that has been communicated verbally is for FOs joining the 787 to fly around 2,000 hours in the right seat and then upgrade on the A321.

[FruitLoops]

Originally Posted by ba77w

There are no accelerated command FO positions at RX like EK is doing. The upgrade plan that has been communicated verbally is for FOs joining the 787 to fly around 2,000 hours in the right seat and then upgrade on the A321.

Question is... Will they honor it (everything going well with deliveries and stuff)? Or if you are an expat you won't stand a chance?

[dan.cat3c]

Originally Posted by FruitLoops

I got a job offer recently being a 737 skipper. Position for 787 FO. I worry however about Saudization, perhaps they are going to get rid of expats at some point ?

I would not leave the 73 CPT position tbh.
From my understanding the transition to a whole saudi crew is not an if, it will happen.
They already started a massive cadet programme, local airlines are recruiting FOs in a surplus, many experienced people will be joining from the army/air force.
Saudi arabia is totally different from UAE and Qatar, the talent pool is much bigger.
Also, keep in mind that OEMs delays have caused a revision of the initial plans, so things will be moving slower than initially expected.
Initially I was interested in the company but after a chat with one of the managers I knew it would be only a temporary job.

[dan.cat3c]

Originally Posted by FruitLoops

Question is... Will they honor it (everything going well with deliveries and stuff)? Or if you are an expat you won't stand a chance?

"Honoring the captain upgrade time" ?? there is no such thing, it does not happen in Europe at leading airlines and you are expecting it to happen in the middle east?
I joined a big company part of a massive group in Eu, was told that with my experience I would be in the left in 3 years.
Turned out to be a lie, 9 years later an FO that started after me is still in the right....

[ba77w]

Originally Posted by FruitLoops

Question is... Will they honor it (everything going well with deliveries and stuff)? Or if you are an expat you won't stand a chance?

I deliberately used the word “verbally” because nothing in this industry is guaranteed, especially at a startup. Upgrades are always subject to operational requirements and fleet growth.

As for Saudisation, I honestly don’t know how it will ultimately play out for expats joining as FOs, and I wouldn’t wish that kind of uncertainty on anyone. The higher risk appears to be on the A321 side, where localization pressure could be stronger through cadets and local hires from FAD and NAS. That doesn’t mean the 787 is risk free. There is still pressure from experienced locals applying from Saudia and other operators. The level of risk on the 787 side will largely depend on aircraft deliveries and how many qualified local pilots are available to fill those seats.

As for the biggest question, would they get rid of expats? Captains, very unlikely. FOs, I honestly don’t know. Only time will tell. I just hope short term hiring doesn’t grow out of proportion and create issues with locals later on.

[FruitLoops]

Originally Posted by ba77w

I deliberately used the word “verbally” because nothing in this industry is guaranteed, especially at a startup. Upgrades are always subject to operational requirements and fleet growth.

As for Saudisation, I honestly don’t know how it will ultimately play out for expats joining as FOs, and I wouldn’t wish that kind of uncertainty on anyone. The higher risk appears to be on the A321 side, where localization pressure could be stronger through cadets and local hires from FAD and NAS. That doesn’t mean the 787 is risk free. There is still pressure from experienced locals applying from Saudia and other operators. The level of risk on the 787 side will largely depend on aircraft deliveries and how many qualified local pilots are available to fill those seats.

As for the biggest question, would they get rid of expats? Captains, very unlikely. FOs, I honestly don’t know. Only time will tell. I just hope short term hiring doesn’t grow out of proportion and create issues with locals later on.

Time will tell...
There's hundreds of planes on order for Saudi Arabia. They'll need a lot of arabs to fill those seats.

[yunebug]

Originally Posted by FruitLoops

I got a job offer recently being a 737 skipper. Position for 787 FO. I worry however about Saudization, perhaps they are going to get rid of expats at some point ?

Is there a chance you can tell us more about the whole procedure and how long everything took?

[711]

Got the "invitation" to do the "ADAPT" amd "Fast" assessment.

Anyone willing to comment what that is?

Thanks

[SebasFLY]

Originally Posted by 711

Got the "invitation" to do the "ADAPT" amd "Fast" assessment.

Anyone willing to comment what that is?

Thanks

It's part of the Symbiotics assessment, I recently completed it and preparation you can find here:
https://pilotassessments.com/riyadh-...ot-assessment/

[Scott_T]

Hello everyone,

I recently completed the stage 1 online assessments. Does anyone know roughly how long the waiting time is to hear if you’ve have progressed? Any idea who they are prioritising? People who are available immediately? People with previous heavy time? I applied for the FO position 787, I have heard the panel interview is quite intense. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.