RIA Saudi Airlines?
short flights long nights
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Been reading this thread with interest as I've had many captains down in Oz land mention RIA to me. Everyone Seems to be waiting to see what's on offer. The fact that it's all very hush hush just seems incredibly suspicious and more likely it won't be anything amazing. Lets be honest, RIA could drive a dump truck full if money up to your house, but if you actually have to live in Saudi.. who's going to go for that? Even after a long day of working for any of the world's worst low cost carriers, at least you go home and have a glass of red and a bacon sandwich.
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The only thing that will tempt people to take the risk of a new startup airline, based in an undeveloped construction site in the desert without alcohol....is flexible commuting, part-time contracts, or a harem of crew girls.
Without this, they need to offer $20-30k+ a month to get serious candidates. Even if only on a 3-year contract for ppl who want to top up their pension before retirement. Consider Emirates and Qatar are struggling to find new joiners for future growth with $15-20k/month packages, after having already scraped the barrel worldwide from every ****hole possible.
Yes, you may get a few desperados. But the risk of RIA going belly up, being fired, contract changed, fleet changed, housing debacles, major incidents, no expat lifestyle, or just a general mess/nightmare of an organisation dictate a large premium in cash or conditions.
Failing that, a training airline, with a complete focus on 0hr cadets like Wizzair/Ryanair etc. If you offer $10k a month tax free to young graduates, they could take it as a stepping stone. DEC's with no P1 time etc.
Without this, they need to offer $20-30k+ a month to get serious candidates. Even if only on a 3-year contract for ppl who want to top up their pension before retirement. Consider Emirates and Qatar are struggling to find new joiners for future growth with $15-20k/month packages, after having already scraped the barrel worldwide from every ****hole possible.
Yes, you may get a few desperados. But the risk of RIA going belly up, being fired, contract changed, fleet changed, housing debacles, major incidents, no expat lifestyle, or just a general mess/nightmare of an organisation dictate a large premium in cash or conditions.
Failing that, a training airline, with a complete focus on 0hr cadets like Wizzair/Ryanair etc. If you offer $10k a month tax free to young graduates, they could take it as a stepping stone. DEC's with no P1 time etc.
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The only thing that will tempt people to take the risk of a new startup airline, based in an undeveloped construction site in the desert without alcohol....is flexible commuting, part-time contracts, or a harem of crew girls.
Without this, they need to offer $20-30k+ a month to get serious candidates. Even if only on a 3-year contract for ppl who want to top up their pension before retirement. Consider Emirates and Qatar are struggling to find new joiners for future growth with $15-20k/month packages, after having already scraped the barrel worldwide from every ****hole possible.
Yes, you may get a few desperados. But the risk of RIA going belly up, being fired, contract changed, fleet changed, housing debacles, major incidents, no expat lifestyle, or just a general mess/nightmare of an organisation dictate a large premium in cash or conditions.
Failing that, a training airline, with a complete focus on 0hr cadets like Wizzair/Ryanair etc. If you offer $10k a month tax free to young graduates, they could take it as a stepping stone. DEC's with no P1 time etc.
Without this, they need to offer $20-30k+ a month to get serious candidates. Even if only on a 3-year contract for ppl who want to top up their pension before retirement. Consider Emirates and Qatar are struggling to find new joiners for future growth with $15-20k/month packages, after having already scraped the barrel worldwide from every ****hole possible.
Yes, you may get a few desperados. But the risk of RIA going belly up, being fired, contract changed, fleet changed, housing debacles, major incidents, no expat lifestyle, or just a general mess/nightmare of an organisation dictate a large premium in cash or conditions.
Failing that, a training airline, with a complete focus on 0hr cadets like Wizzair/Ryanair etc. If you offer $10k a month tax free to young graduates, they could take it as a stepping stone. DEC's with no P1 time etc.
Saudia went on a recruitment drive about 12 years ago. They got sufficient to fail half at interview and then fail another half during training.
The package will be over $20k though. No doubt about that.
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Been reading this thread with interest as I've had many captains down in Oz land mention RIA to me. Everyone Seems to be waiting to see what's on offer. The fact that it's all very hush hush just seems incredibly suspicious and more likely it won't be anything amazing. Lets be honest, RIA could drive a dump truck full if money up to your house, but if you actually have to live in Saudi.. who's going to go for that? Even after a long day of working for any of the world's worst low cost carriers, at least you go home and have a glass of red and a bacon sandwich.
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up to you then fella, but the SRT on HMRCs own website runs to 154 Pages. If you think those few sentences covers you along with advice from a mate who’s doing it then you’re bulletproof I’m sure.
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In the Bloomberg interview at the DAS, Tony Douglas said the narrow body order would "certainly" be announced by the end of the year (2023). Perhaps they've gone cold on Boeing or they're having trouble wringing delivery slots out of Airbus despite the deep pockets.
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I don´t like the sound of "monthly limitations" wtf is that all about. Limits. I mean - throw stones at me, but no limits please! Camel riders.
It´s still going to be a f@cking sh@thole, but now at least you can "escape" that reality with a brew! ;-) LMFAO
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I see many people commenting here, most (!?), have never been to KSA. You have no idea what you're talking about. Full on reverse rostering out of Europe, NA, Asia, Australia etc is the only way this will even remotely work for the vast majority out there. Don't be fooled by flashy news releases, shiny jets and promises of a "great expat lifestyle". This is not UAE, or even QR.
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SOPS has a good point, no one knows the salary.
Romasik are you flying in Saudi at moment. There’s no information from RIA about any staff travel, how do you know? What are RIAs intended initial destinations?
Lots of people want to commute to places outside ME / Indian subcontinent. If you’re flying further afield the issue of staff travel comes into the commuting equation. It’s all very good having the alleged 14 on 14 off but pointless if you struggle to get home and then have problems trying to get back to Saudi. It could severely limit your days at home, which makes the contract less enticing.
Romasik are you flying in Saudi at moment. There’s no information from RIA about any staff travel, how do you know? What are RIAs intended initial destinations?
Lots of people want to commute to places outside ME / Indian subcontinent. If you’re flying further afield the issue of staff travel comes into the commuting equation. It’s all very good having the alleged 14 on 14 off but pointless if you struggle to get home and then have problems trying to get back to Saudi. It could severely limit your days at home, which makes the contract less enticing.
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Lastly, the entire scenario seemingly resembles a sociological study more than anything else. The conspicuous absence of any details regarding compensation or benefits suggests that they are merely just dipping their toes into the water to determine if they could sustain operations at industry-standard rates - which they claim tens of thousands have indicated they would, and importantly without knowing any details about the
renumeration, other than “8 days off in your hub of Riyadh”.
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Ah yes, the eagerly anticipated order of narrow-body jets continues to linger, hinting at potential obstacles posed by industry limitations has undoubtedly resulted in the cold truth of reality meeting expectations. Regardless of one's financial strength, it's impossible to bypass the lengthy queue of an aircraft order backlog that stretches into the thousands. One might be able to get some MAX’s quicker, but do you really want the hassle of that junk?
Lastly, the entire scenario seemingly resembles a sociological study more than anything else. The conspicuous absence of any details regarding compensation or benefits suggests that they are merely just dipping their toes into the water to determine if they could sustain operations at industry-standard rates - which they claim tens of thousands have indicated they would, and importantly without knowing any details about the
renumeration, other than “8 days off in your hub of Riyadh”.
Lastly, the entire scenario seemingly resembles a sociological study more than anything else. The conspicuous absence of any details regarding compensation or benefits suggests that they are merely just dipping their toes into the water to determine if they could sustain operations at industry-standard rates - which they claim tens of thousands have indicated they would, and importantly without knowing any details about the
renumeration, other than “8 days off in your hub of Riyadh”.
Your second point is inaccurate, they are genuinely trying to get a massive Riyadh based Airline up and running. They tried with Saudia but it was unsuccessful really due in Western terms to labour disputes. Riyadh is a massive wealthy city without any international Airline of it's own.
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means you are exclude from pay tax at home, but only if you can proof that your center of living is not in the uk - meaning you have to be away for a min of 187 days a year.
moat European countries have this exception in their double taxation agreements of you own a property and generate an income from it this exception is not applicable.
some states depend the application on your registration status, meaning if rent a place and live their with your family this counts as center of living and therefore you are taxable Independent of how many days you are abroad.
Very sensible topic, can end bad very quickly - tax wise
moat European countries have this exception in their double taxation agreements of you own a property and generate an income from it this exception is not applicable.
some states depend the application on your registration status, meaning if rent a place and live their with your family this counts as center of living and therefore you are taxable Independent of how many days you are abroad.
Very sensible topic, can end bad very quickly - tax wise
Depending on what is actually written in the relevant DTA between the UK & KSA will dictate where and in which fiscal jurisdiction income tax is liable on the specific class, or category, of income.
In this case the UK/KSA DTA 2009 will apply, specifically Article 15, Paragraphs (3), where the relevant Article and associated paragraph clearly stipulates which fiscal jurisdiction has the right to tax the specific type and categories of income earned. Assuming a flight crew job with RIA comes with an Iqama (KSA Residents Permit), which it will, then in the particular case of working for RIA on a 14/14 roster that would mean the fiscal jurisdiction that has tue right to tax that salary income, according to the relevant DTA, would be KSA. As the income tax rate in KSA is negligible that will mean very little income tax will be paid. Because the relevant DTA stipulates which fiscal jurisdictions has the right to tax that specific class of income, which will be KSA, then the UK does not have the right to tax that income.
In plain English. You won’t pay income tax on income earned as a pilot working for RIA, firstly because the DTA stipulates that KSA has the right to tax that income and not the UK and secondly because the personal income tax rate in KSA is ZERO that means you will effectively NOT be taxed on that income-all perfectly legal.