RIA Saudi Airlines?

[Jetlag_777]

Originally Posted by magyar_flyer

As others I have a very hard time to see how they could have 14/14 working.
Can anyone simulate such a schedule?
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I guess that the only way to fit 85 hs on this tight pattern is to be able to start flying from a base abroad and end your duty days flying out as an active pilot somewhere close to home (or home if lucky).

But only guessing as there’s no routes network and initial destination frequency published yet.

[Truetoga]

How are people expecting 14/14 to work when there are no routes or a proper established network? Unless they hire guys from specific countries where they already have a route.. then again if thats the case, you’re now unlikely to have a tax free income living elsewhere

[kungfu panda]

As somebody said. This may apply to a ground instructor. It's not going to be 14/14. Otherwise there'll be a revolution in which ISIS take control. Because Saudia, at best get 5 consecutive days per month.

Please guys, try not to believe any BS. The financials there, sound pretty close to the mark.

[Jack D]

You’ll be Sorreeeee!

[EGGW]

Nope, not a ground instructor. TRE, 787. Not sure why a friend would BS me. 14/14. Let the revolution begin…

EGGW.

[kungfu panda]

Originally Posted by EGGW

Nope, not a ground instructor. TRE, 787. Not sure why a friend would BS me. 14/14. Let the revolution begin…

EGGW.

Ok. Fair enough. I could be wrong. I have knowledge of Saudia but no knowledge of Riyadh Air.

Just let me say that I would be surprised if the 14/14 is included in the final package.

[Youwish]

Maybe now that they are not actually flying they can offer 14/14.. i mean, what are the pilots hired doing now?

[allaru]

I also have a friend who has signed a TRE contract and I can confirm it is 14/14 with a salary substantially higher than EK. If the same is offered to line pilots you may need to consider the following.

• 75 hours in 2 weeks is possible however good luck commuting on top of a compressed roster, it will kill you.
• 2 weeks off makes commuting to Dubai, Africa, Asia or Europe possible but forget commuting to further destinations such as South America, North America or Australia in 2 weeks.
• If discounts are offered on Saudi their network may not cover your destination, and what class or priority will you get. If discounts are not offered you may want to check the cost of J class tickets from Saudi. If the allowance is 28000 that would cover one J class airfare to a close destination. It would not cover one long haul destination at current fares.
• Fights are still crazy full to just about everywhere so you would need to allow extra time to return and be rested for your next night turn around to India.
• My guess is that you will spend at least 1 or 2 of your 2 weeks off ie 2 month where you can't go home having dealing with the bureaucracy, ie expat stuff such as visa renewals, house rentals, medicals, drivers licenses, for you and any other dependents you may have there. Admin may not take 2 weeks however after you take 3 or 4 days out of the 14 doesn't leave you with a lot of commuting time.
• If they are seeking experienced Captains they would be earning close to the proposed offer anyway, in the Gulf at least.

The offer would suit someone who has a close commutable location, but only if interline J class discounts are available. Commuting in Y is a definite no go for me.

[santacruz]

Originally Posted by allaru

I also have a friend who has signed a TRE contract and I can confirm it is 14/14 with a salary substantially higher than EK. If the same is offered to line pilots you may need to consider the following.

• 75 hours in 2 weeks is possible however good luck commuting on top of a compressed roster, it will kill you.
• 2 weeks off makes commuting to Dubai, Africa, Asia or Europe possible but forget commuting to further destinations such as South America, North America or Australia in 2 weeks.
• If discounts are offered on Saudi their network may not cover your destination, and what class or priority will you get. If discounts are not offered you may want to check the cost of J class tickets from Saudi. If the allowance is 28000 that would cover one J class airfare to a close destination. It would not cover one long haul destination at current fares.
• Fights are still crazy full to just about everywhere so you would need to allow extra time to return and be rested for your next night turn around to India.
• My guess is that you will spend at least 1 or 2 of your 2 weeks off ie 2 month where you can't go home having dealing with the bureaucracy, ie expat stuff such as visa renewals, house rentals, medicals, drivers licenses, for you and any other dependents you may have there. Admin may not take 2 weeks however after you take 3 or 4 days out of the 14 doesn't leave you with a lot of commuting time.
• If they are seeking experienced Captains they would be earning close to the proposed offer anyway, in the Gulf at least.

The offer would suit someone who has a close commutable location, but only if interline J class discounts are available. Commuting in Y is a definite no go for me.

My own personal opinion I agree with you regarding commuting but I think there will be plenty of takers for 14/14 if the salary is similar to EK. Plenty of unhappy people in the gulf who would try to commute to Europe on that if the money is similar to what they’re already earning!

[Romasik]

Originally Posted by allaru

I also have a friend who has signed a TRE contract and I can confirm it is 14/14 with a salary substantially higher than EK. If the same is offered to line pilots you may need to consider the following.

• 75 hours in 2 weeks is possible however good luck commuting on top of a compressed roster, it will kill you.
• 2 weeks off makes commuting to Dubai, Africa, Asia or Europe possible but forget commuting to further destinations such as South America, North America or Australia in 2 weeks.
• If discounts are offered on Saudi their network may not cover your destination, and what class or priority will you get. If discounts are not offered you may want to check the cost of J class tickets from Saudi. If the allowance is 28000 that would cover one J class airfare to a close destination. It would not cover one long haul destination at current fares.
• Fights are still crazy full to just about everywhere so you would need to allow extra time to return and be rested for your next night turn around to India.
• My guess is that you will spend at least 1 or 2 of your 2 weeks off ie 2 month where you can't go home having dealing with the bureaucracy, ie expat stuff such as visa renewals, house rentals, medicals, drivers licenses, for you and any other dependents you may have there. Admin may not take 2 weeks however after you take 3 or 4 days out of the 14 doesn't leave you with a lot of commuting time.
• If they are seeking experienced Captains they would be earning close to the proposed offer anyway, in the Gulf at least.

The offer would suit someone who has a close commutable location, but only if interline J class discounts are available. Commuting in Y is a definite no go for me.

Guess what - we will see people unhappy with 0/30 roster (where 30 is a days off number) giving all kinds of reasons

[tonker]

If you do 14/14 and live say in the UK, you’ll be liable to therefore pay tax on your earnings surely?

[Truetoga]

Originally Posted by tonker

If you do 14/14 and live say in the UK, you’ll be liable to therefore pay tax on your earnings surely?

This exactly. What is the benefit of leaving say a stable job in Dxb or anywhere else only to go home and pay tax back home unless you live somewhere with a low tax band that still makes it worth it but then again its likely harder to commute to those countries and you’ll spend more time transiting etc…I can see them offering 14/14 for TREs as its mostly on the ground but line pilots? Or maybe its a hook….then change it a year later for everyone…when you’re trapped on probably a bond

[Emma Royds]

At the end of the day, if the carrier was serious about offering leading terms and conditions, then they would have painted the town red... or should I say purple? The Arabs love good PR and they would not have skipped a heartbeat in declaring their intention to outsmart their regional rivals and offer better terms and conditions. But they have failed to do so. Ask yourself why?

Tony Douglas said that with regards to future developments from a business perspective, it will be a case of 'tease and reveal'. Sadly, his HR department seems to have adopted the same mindset. If they can't nail their colours to the mast from the outset, how much trust do you have in them to honour what is placed before your eyes in the form of a 'contract'. It seems as if they are on a mission to try and offer the least needed to get the required numbers and all they are doing at the moment is gauging what the demand actually is.

[shukran]

Originally Posted by Truetoga

What is the benefit of leaving say a stable job in Dxb

lol, people wouldn’t be considering leaving DXB if the jobs were stable to begin with 😬

[MathewP]

Originally Posted by allaru

I also have a friend who has signed a TRE contract and I can confirm it is 14/14 with a salary substantially higher than EK. If the same is offered to line pilots you may need to consider the following.

• 75 hours in 2 weeks is possible however good luck commuting on top of a compressed roster, it will kill you.
• 2 weeks off makes commuting to Dubai, Africa, Asia or Europe possible but forget commuting to further destinations such as South America, North America or Australia in 2 weeks.
• If discounts are offered on Saudi their network may not cover your destination, and what class or priority will you get. If discounts are not offered you may want to check the cost of J class tickets from Saudi. If the allowance is 28000 that would cover one J class airfare to a close destination. It would not cover one long haul destination at current fares.
• Fights are still crazy full to just about everywhere so you would need to allow extra time to return and be rested for your next night turn around to India.
• My guess is that you will spend at least 1 or 2 of your 2 weeks off ie 2 month where you can't go home having dealing with the bureaucracy, ie expat stuff such as visa renewals, house rentals, medicals, drivers licenses, for you and any other dependents you may have there. Admin may not take 2 weeks however after you take 3 or 4 days out of the 14 doesn't leave you with a lot of commuting time.
• If they are seeking experienced Captains they would be earning close to the proposed offer anyway, in the Gulf at least.

The offer would suit someone who has a close commutable location, but only if interline J class discounts are available. Commuting in Y is a definite no go for me.

I wonder if you are stupid.I think you are.Much less than 14 days off id soldered by Korean Airlways.
Piss off and Salam Alaicun

[FQT2YS]

According to news I received today, EK looses a significant amount of B777 drivers (TRI/TRE’s in particular) to RXI. T&C’s seem to be significantly better!
Just talking about the first lot of people - assuming T&C’s will change in the future! However it looks like, they’re aggressively trying „to get a foot in the door”.
The VP Flight OPS is still very well connected with EK, as one could imagine 😉

[FQT2YS]

Originally Posted by Truetoga

What is the benefit of leaving say a stable job in Dxb

Stable job in Dubai and the UAE??!! LoL - That’s a good one 😂

[Shazeem]

No surprises there.

mercenary
/ˈməːs(ɪ)n(ə)ri/

1. primarily concerned with making money at the expense of ethics.

[mutt]

• My guess is that you will spend at least 1 or 2 of your 2 weeks off ie 2 month where you can't go home having dealing with the bureaucracy, ie expat stuff such as visa renewals, house rentals, medicals, drivers licenses, for you and any other dependents you may have there. Admin may not take 2 weeks however after you take 3 or 4 days out of the 14 doesn't leave you with a lot of commuting time.

Just about all above are online and take minutes, so don’t exaggerate a situation that doesn’t exist.

[FlightDetent]

Originally Posted by tonker

If you do 14/14 and live say in the UK, you’ll be liable to therefore pay tax on your earnings surely?

Regardless of rostering arrangements, it seems Saudi Arabia: tax treaties - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

(3) Notwithstanding the preceding provisions of this Article, remuneration derived by a resident of a Contracting State in respect of an employment exercised aboard a ship or aircraft operated in international traffic shall be taxable only in that State

If that means what it says, buyer bloody beware ...