RIA Saudi Airlines?
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Yes, breaking residency (and thus, tax liability) from the UK is exceptionally difficult and restrictive - far more limiting than a flat 187 days, more like 93(?), or even less. Work on the basis neither you nor your family can be back n the UK for anything more than just an extended holiday, at least for the first few years. Keeping your primary property vacant or let is ok, but also creates tax liabilities, including CGT if sold, which a resident wouldn't have to pay, so that's another gotcha
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From: Commuting not home
The decades-repeated idea that 188 aborad days will do is one of the largest fallacies among professional pilots worldwide. Even bigger than the one about warm brakes for take-off.
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I read that for the other logical end, a UK person needs to pay taxes at home (solely) w.r.t. to the provisions of the treaty. As long as they remain a 'tax resident' of their country.
The decades-repeated idea that 188 aborad days will do is one of the largest fallacies among professional pilots worldwide. Even bigger than the one about warm brakes for take-off.
The decades-repeated idea that 188 aborad days will do is one of the largest fallacies among professional pilots worldwide. Even bigger than the one about warm brakes for take-off.
apperently UK is one of them and sofar I know Sweden, Spain and Netherlands as well.
germay canceled the excemption for pilots being taxed only in the country of the operator.
geid is getting tighter nearly everywhere, especially with the raising number of ACMI companies.
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At the end of the day, if the carrier was serious about offering leading terms and conditions, then they would have painted the town red... or should I say purple? The Arabs love good PR and they would not have skipped a heartbeat in declaring their intention to outsmart their regional rivals and offer better terms and conditions. But they have failed to do so. Ask yourself why?
Tony Douglas said that with regards to future developments from a business perspective, it will be a case of 'tease and reveal'. Sadly, his HR department seems to have adopted the same mindset. If they can't nail their colours to the mast from the outset, how much trust do you have in them to honour what is placed before your eyes in the form of a 'contract'. It seems as if they are on a mission to try and offer the least needed to get the required numbers and all they are doing at the moment is gauging what the demand actually is.
Tony Douglas said that with regards to future developments from a business perspective, it will be a case of 'tease and reveal'. Sadly, his HR department seems to have adopted the same mindset. If they can't nail their colours to the mast from the outset, how much trust do you have in them to honour what is placed before your eyes in the form of a 'contract'. It seems as if they are on a mission to try and offer the least needed to get the required numbers and all they are doing at the moment is gauging what the demand actually is.
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It always amazes me that the ‘package’ is a state secret until virtually the end of a recruitment process. The upshot is a potential massive waste of time for all parties if salary etc is not known prior to application.
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An individual will be non-resident for a tax year if they are present in the UK at midnight at the end of the day for less than a specified number of days in the tax year in question, as follows:
- For an individual who was resident in the UK for one or more of the preceding three tax years the limit is 15 days or
- For an individual who was resident in the UK for none of the preceding three tax years the limit is 45 days or
- For an individual who works abroad ‘full-time’ throughout the tax year (broadly, 35 hours per week on average), without a significant break (more than 30 days, with exceptions for annual, sick or parenting leave), the limit 90 days. Such an individual must also have less than 31 days in the tax year on which he does more than three hours’ work in the UK.
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I agree, wholeheartedly, with your eloquent post Emma. This will only make sense if you are from the U.K. and are of a certain age but it seems RIA is being run by Rodney and Del Boy Trotter. Their Reliant Robin has been repainted purple and now reads “Trotters Independent Trading Co. New York, Paris, Peckham, Riyadh”.
short flights long nights
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I do it every month. Sometimes twice a month.
short flights long nights
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SOPS has a good point, no one knows the salary.
Romasik are you flying in Saudi at moment. There’s no information from RIA about any staff travel, how do you know? What are RIAs intended initial destinations?
Lots of people want to commute to places outside ME / Indian subcontinent. If you’re flying further afield the issue of staff travel comes into the commuting equation. It’s all very good having the alleged 14 on 14 off but pointless if you struggle to get home and then have problems trying to get back to Saudi. It could severely limit your days at home, which makes the contract less enticing.
Romasik are you flying in Saudi at moment. There’s no information from RIA about any staff travel, how do you know? What are RIAs intended initial destinations?
Lots of people want to commute to places outside ME / Indian subcontinent. If you’re flying further afield the issue of staff travel comes into the commuting equation. It’s all very good having the alleged 14 on 14 off but pointless if you struggle to get home and then have problems trying to get back to Saudi. It could severely limit your days at home, which makes the contract less enticing.
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https://www.bayt.com/en/saudi-arabia...ilot-70403238/
Any idea as to what the terms and conditions are for this Riyadh posting?
Thanks
Any idea as to what the terms and conditions are for this Riyadh posting?
Thanks
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From: In the torpedo tube above!
It will be ACM travel from Riyadh to your home base if your home is on the Saudi / RIA network. If not then it will be ACM travel to her closest city to your home and then it’s up to you. ID 90 or ZED or full fare.
ACM travel is when you travel on the GD and jump onto the airplane in uniform.
Buisness class not always guaranteed. And the process of getting the ACM authorized is a nightmare of sorts. Which in essence becomes a deal breaker for me.
ACM travel is when you travel on the GD and jump onto the airplane in uniform.
Buisness class not always guaranteed. And the process of getting the ACM authorized is a nightmare of sorts. Which in essence becomes a deal breaker for me.
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Yes, a deal breaker for many who need to travel further.
Having a nice 14 on 14 off roster is useless if you can’t get staff travel authorized and then have to sit on jumpseat for many hours!
let’s hope RIA take note and do something about it, preferably putting thecdtails on its recruitment the site so it’s open knowledge.
Having a nice 14 on 14 off roster is useless if you can’t get staff travel authorized and then have to sit on jumpseat for many hours!
let’s hope RIA take note and do something about it, preferably putting thecdtails on its recruitment the site so it’s open knowledge.