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HiI applied for first officer position, I have more than enough hours for that. Yet i did receive an email telling me that due to operational reasons, they're looking for pilots "with more hours on a specific type" therefore my application was moved to a hold pool
I was wondering if anyone knows what hold pool is ?
And does it mean I still have a chance? Or is it a polite way to say go away ? 😆
Thanks
I was wondering if anyone knows what hold pool is ?
And does it mean I still have a chance? Or is it a polite way to say go away ? 😆
Thanks
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Depends where you are coming from , EK is a good option for those in HKG. Sounds a lot worse there or some Banana republic in Africa. I am not sure anybody is stupid enough to leave a secure position in US/EU for EK now though, that would be a huge move these days.
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I would put money on Wizz guys/gals going for EK.
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Well you think wrong. I know a few J2 people starting EK in the coming months. RYR obviously. Few guys I kept in contact with at EZY said they going through the motions, one guy a Captain as well. I attended a pilot roadshow and room was full. 50+ people at least.
I would put money on Wizz guys/gals going for EK.
I would put money on Wizz guys/gals going for EK.
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while redundant FO short of a command lost everything
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Well you think wrong. I know a few J2 people starting EK in the coming months. RYR obviously. Few guys I kept in contact with at EZY said they going through the motions, one guy a Captain as well. I attended a pilot roadshow and room was full. 50+ people at least.
I would put money on Wizz guys/gals going for EK.
I would put money on Wizz guys/gals going for EK.
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Never. As airlines around Europe keeps treating there staff as they do, we unfortunately have to agree the money in the desert is better. And pilots bring one unique thing, they believe it can’t happen to them.
only those who have experienced the dessert know what it is about, maybe if all those people who lost everything would uniquely give a statement about ME3 employers some people would to listen. Something which never will happen.
What on the other hand I don’t understand is why companies not ramping up there staff contracts to maintain them as they are running to the worst homemade Desaster of all times, still not significantly improving the TC, rather than letting move on everyone. This feeds those ME3 TC and keeps proofing them right to go however they want. Sadly to see where one of the most famous jobs in the world turned into something like a complete disrespectful and disloyal monster of a profession.
there should go of any alarm bell when you read Dino’s comments but still it does not change.
and listen to Dino you could have seen the signs before joining!
only those who have experienced the dessert know what it is about, maybe if all those people who lost everything would uniquely give a statement about ME3 employers some people would to listen. Something which never will happen.
What on the other hand I don’t understand is why companies not ramping up there staff contracts to maintain them as they are running to the worst homemade Desaster of all times, still not significantly improving the TC, rather than letting move on everyone. This feeds those ME3 TC and keeps proofing them right to go however they want. Sadly to see where one of the most famous jobs in the world turned into something like a complete disrespectful and disloyal monster of a profession.
there should go of any alarm bell when you read Dino’s comments but still it does not change.
and listen to Dino you could have seen the signs before joining!
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Never. As airlines around Europe keeps treating there staff as they do, we unfortunately have to agree the money in the desert is better. And pilots bring one unique thing, they believe it can’t happen to them.
only those who have experienced the dessert know what it is about, maybe if all those people who lost everything would uniquely give a statement about ME3 employers some people would to listen. Something which never will happen.
What on the other hand I don’t understand is why companies not ramping up there staff contracts to maintain them as they are running to the worst homemade Desaster of all times, still not significantly improving the TC, rather than letting move on everyone. This feeds those ME3 TC and keeps proofing them right to go however they want. Sadly to see where one of the most famous jobs in the world turned into something like a complete disrespectful and disloyal monster of a profession.
there should go of any alarm bell when you read Dino’s comments but still it does not change.
and listen to Dino you could have seen the signs before joining!
only those who have experienced the dessert know what it is about, maybe if all those people who lost everything would uniquely give a statement about ME3 employers some people would to listen. Something which never will happen.
What on the other hand I don’t understand is why companies not ramping up there staff contracts to maintain them as they are running to the worst homemade Desaster of all times, still not significantly improving the TC, rather than letting move on everyone. This feeds those ME3 TC and keeps proofing them right to go however they want. Sadly to see where one of the most famous jobs in the world turned into something like a complete disrespectful and disloyal monster of a profession.
there should go of any alarm bell when you read Dino’s comments but still it does not change.
and listen to Dino you could have seen the signs before joining!
You would expect this type of thing to really put guys off and I think really, for the most part, most have been put off.
There’s always going to be a couple who have had enough of the rain or tax, or simply sick of the wife and want a new girlfriend with a red hat from a different part of the world etc.
Emirates hasn’t really held the same significance in the pilot recruitment market for the last 10 years.
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Nobody can ever tell me that Easyjet Jet2 and BA did to their staff what Emirates did to theirs .
You would expect this type of thing to really put guys off and I think really, for the most part, most have been put off.
There’s always going to be a couple who have had enough of the rain or tax, or simply sick of the wife and want a new girlfriend with a red hat from a different part of the world etc.
Emirates hasn’t really held the same significance in the pilot recruitment market for the last 10 years.
You would expect this type of thing to really put guys off and I think really, for the most part, most have been put off.
There’s always going to be a couple who have had enough of the rain or tax, or simply sick of the wife and want a new girlfriend with a red hat from a different part of the world etc.
Emirates hasn’t really held the same significance in the pilot recruitment market for the last 10 years.
Yes they didn’t fire as many people as EK. Look at BA though? They got this new Delta 8-10% pay cut and have no idea how long it will last. Years and years. The new Euroflyer contract for FO out of LGW is £49k a year. Easyjet financially not looking as rosy as it was pre COVID. Jet2 doing well and rewarded employees, however. BA are the only ones you mention offering the possibility of LH. Talking on the line and with others, many want to scratch the LH itch to see if they like it. Why join BA with a maybe in 5 years time of trying that? BA have made it clear seniority is not what it was. If you’re on the wrong fleet you will be made redundant that’s the fear at BA now.
Other reality is young SH captains say in 30s are saying is this it for the next 30 years?
So then it comes down to money. How can I get a nest egg to get out quicker and ME is the only place now. Pound is so weak with housing allowance it’s £9-£10k a month as FO at EK. China option is closed so people willing to roll the dice at EK. You are almost doubling your pay. I have compared a few months of 777 EK rosters with BA 777, with BA being under 8 years in company and honestly not as much in it as you would expect. I haven’t seen any but from what I have been told 10 years at BA then you start getting a better roster. Unless you go for command after 15 years then drop down the list again.
When you add everything up that’s happening in the UK and at UK companies coupled with COVID IMO many in aviation have been hit with the is it worth it question? Colleagues left the industry and seem happier now. Some too scared to leave the industry and don’t want to do another 20-30 years either flying or just SH think how can I try something different and get money quick. ME.
That’s the reality from the UK now. To you at EK it might seem mad but people want to try it.
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Yes they didn’t fire as many people as EK. Look at BA though? They got this new Delta 8-10% pay cut and have no idea how long it will last. Years and years. The new Euroflyer contract for FO out of LGW is £49k a year. Easyjet financially not looking as rosy as it was pre COVID. Jet2 doing well and rewarded employees, however. BA are the only ones you mention offering the possibility of LH. Talking on the line and with others, many want to scratch the LH itch to see if they like it. Why join BA with a maybe in 5 years time of trying that? BA have made it clear seniority is not what it was. If you’re on the wrong fleet you will be made redundant that’s the fear at BA now.
Other reality is young SH captains say in 30s are saying is this it for the next 30 years?
So then it comes down to money. How can I get a nest egg to get out quicker and ME is the only place now. Pound is so weak with housing allowance it’s £9-£10k a month as FO at EK. China option is closed so people willing to roll the dice at EK. You are almost doubling your pay. I have compared a few months of 777 EK rosters with BA 777, with BA being under 8 years in company and honestly not as much in it as you would expect. I haven’t seen any but from what I have been told 10 years at BA then you start getting a better roster. Unless you go for command after 15 years then drop down the list again.
When you add everything up that’s happening in the UK and at UK companies coupled with COVID IMO many in aviation have been hit with the is it worth it question? Colleagues left the industry and seem happier now. Some too scared to leave the industry and don’t want to do another 20-30 years either flying or just SH think how can I try something different and get money quick. ME.
That’s the reality from the UK now. To you at EK it might seem mad but people want to try it.
Other reality is young SH captains say in 30s are saying is this it for the next 30 years?
So then it comes down to money. How can I get a nest egg to get out quicker and ME is the only place now. Pound is so weak with housing allowance it’s £9-£10k a month as FO at EK. China option is closed so people willing to roll the dice at EK. You are almost doubling your pay. I have compared a few months of 777 EK rosters with BA 777, with BA being under 8 years in company and honestly not as much in it as you would expect. I haven’t seen any but from what I have been told 10 years at BA then you start getting a better roster. Unless you go for command after 15 years then drop down the list again.
When you add everything up that’s happening in the UK and at UK companies coupled with COVID IMO many in aviation have been hit with the is it worth it question? Colleagues left the industry and seem happier now. Some too scared to leave the industry and don’t want to do another 20-30 years either flying or just SH think how can I try something different and get money quick. ME.
That’s the reality from the UK now. To you at EK it might seem mad but people want to try it.
nevertheless EK comes with a high price tag.
once you in for about ten years and something like Covid hits, you faster out than a blink of an eye.
therefore EK is still not paying enough to cover the loss you have under such circumstances.
Joining EK means
- leaving behind the family
- leaving behind friends
- leaving behind social contacts
- leaving behind social security
social security means the following. Once you are away for a certain amount of time and you have to come back you are not eligible for any help by your state, except may pay the lowest lowest cover. Which in term mean you will live out of you EK savings until you find a job and reboot your life.
you can of course pay your self into the state pension found and so on but that won’t be enough and will shrink your Dubai lifestyle. Most people tend to forget that and upon return you figure out what’s missing - your social security.
yes Dxb is tax free, but is also free of any social security. Once you made the step there you have given up everything and therefore EK is still not paying enough to cover this loss, way not enough.
don’t forget what you save in EK is your retirement fund, after 10-15 or 20 years your state will give you nearly nothing and you are on your own, plus you have to pay your own medical insurance out of that pocket, not to forget you will get older and more frequently visit a doctor or even worse.
LCC and others may have a lower salary but at least you pay tax and social security in you country which is worth a lot when it comes to things like Covid and etc.. it’s more worth then EK will ever pay.
most of your loose friends will be gone when you come home and coming home wasn’t easy either, and you will find yourself in a spot where you think you are a stranger in your own hometown. It will take a while to come to a normality in live after being away for such a long time. EK doesn’t cover for that too. Great expenses are waiting for you coming home building a life again, after you have given a lot of trust in job security to Blokes in 3rd floor and up who only want to treat you like dead wood.
As most joiners think it won’t happen to them, well so believed those 1500 redundant as well, and see there we are. Jobless, some of them even homeless as they can’t go back to their home country (effects some South African) and in the need to find a new home where they are now Stranges with their own pocket of money until it goes empty. There are some terrible stories out there, all caused be EK and their way of management.
So be careful what you wish for joining EK. It’s not about the cash money in your hand it goes far beyond that, very far as Covid has show us.
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Yes they didn’t fire as many people as EK. Look at BA though? They got this new Delta 8-10% pay cut and have no idea how long it will last. Years and years. The new Euroflyer contract for FO out of LGW is £49k a year. Easyjet financially not looking as rosy as it was pre COVID. Jet2 doing well and rewarded employees, however. BA are the only ones you mention offering the possibility of LH. Talking on the line and with others, many want to scratch the LH itch to see if they like it. Why join BA with a maybe in 5 years time of trying that? BA have made it clear seniority is not what it was. If you’re on the wrong fleet you will be made redundant that’s the fear at BA now.
Other reality is young SH captains say in 30s are saying is this it for the next 30 years?
So then it comes down to money. How can I get a nest egg to get out quicker and ME is the only place now. Pound is so weak with housing allowance it’s £9-£10k a month as FO at EK. China option is closed so people willing to roll the dice at EK. You are almost doubling your pay. I have compared a few months of 777 EK rosters with BA 777, with BA being under 8 years in company and honestly not as much in it as you would expect. I haven’t seen any but from what I have been told 10 years at BA then you start getting a better roster. Unless you go for command after 15 years then drop down the list again.
When you add everything up that’s happening in the UK and at UK companies coupled with COVID IMO many in aviation have been hit with the is it worth it question? Colleagues left the industry and seem happier now. Some too scared to leave the industry and don’t want to do another 20-30 years either flying or just SH think how can I try something different and get money quick. ME.
That’s the reality from the UK now. To you at EK it might seem mad but people want to try it.
Other reality is young SH captains say in 30s are saying is this it for the next 30 years?
So then it comes down to money. How can I get a nest egg to get out quicker and ME is the only place now. Pound is so weak with housing allowance it’s £9-£10k a month as FO at EK. China option is closed so people willing to roll the dice at EK. You are almost doubling your pay. I have compared a few months of 777 EK rosters with BA 777, with BA being under 8 years in company and honestly not as much in it as you would expect. I haven’t seen any but from what I have been told 10 years at BA then you start getting a better roster. Unless you go for command after 15 years then drop down the list again.
When you add everything up that’s happening in the UK and at UK companies coupled with COVID IMO many in aviation have been hit with the is it worth it question? Colleagues left the industry and seem happier now. Some too scared to leave the industry and don’t want to do another 20-30 years either flying or just SH think how can I try something different and get money quick. ME.
That’s the reality from the UK now. To you at EK it might seem mad but people want to try it.
Have you seen the cost of a decent place to live in Dubai? Or factored in the additional hidden costs that you will have to pay should you rent or buy?
The housing allowance will be eaten up completely should you take it, so why are you using it to boost your figures? All it does is grossly inflate the salary and not give a true representation of what you will actually save which is surely all the matters in your grand plan?
Ditto for command? Do you honestly think there are quick upgrades at EK these days? The benefit in the past of the ME was quick upgrade times, that is no longer the case.
You selectively quote for the new BA startup, £49k base plus flying pay. Not great no but no where near as bad as you make out. Ezy not doing well? News to the Ezy guys, and please tell me an airline that did well out of COVID other than freight operators?
Try doing 2am long haul departures for 8 years and tell me they aren't as bad as operating out of a curfew restricted airport, where you also have industrial agreements that prevent the worst excesses of bad rostering practises.
The "reality" you paint of the UK is a very one sided argument that you are using to justify in your own mind your decision to move to from the UK. All those bad points you make out equally and even more so apply to the ME where you literally are a guest worked with literally no rights. Yet you somehow try to portray it as a better option than living and working in a country where there is at least a social safety net.
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The reason for quoting housing is not to boost figures. It’s a like for like.
At BA you get no housing. In your pocket is say £4-£5k a month in first few years. Out of that you have to pay rent/mortgage/childcare etc. Ok UK you get free schooling, however, that’s 8.30-3.30. Have to pay after school fees if both parents working. That’s around £1k a month.
Im not pro pro EK just balancing it up.
Yea I have seen the figures in Dubai. Have you seen the rents London/SE England? To get good schools you have to live close to said schools. Even 1 hr drive out from LHR you looking at around £1 mill for a nice place close to catchment for schools. Or you go private and pay £25k plus a year. I know this because it’s the daily chats I have at pick up time and been looking to move for 3 years. Good schools expensive houses. Cheaper house pay private schooling.
I said before social security isn’t quite the same in UK as other EU. It’s there but my mum is struggling. Shes elderly disabled and the help she is getting isn’t enough. Why? She has savings. She’s been told if she gets rid of her money she will get more help from government. Not much but an extra £200 a month to pay electric and gas.
Yes EK you get no help but if you seriously crunch numbers and go worst case on everything financially EK is better, unless you rent in UK. If you rent and lose a job with a family the government will pick up the tab. If you have a mortgage they don’t as you have assets. Thats how it works.
This is based on 2 people working. Living in UK you need 2 incomes to get a good mortgage.
Yes the UK has a safety net but it’s better for lower incomes, rent, or 1 family bread winner.
Better than Dubai for sure. It’s not amazing though and the state pension is laughable. My uncles in another EU country didn’t believe we when I said how much ours is. There’s is €1200 a month. UK it’s much much less.
At BA you get no housing. In your pocket is say £4-£5k a month in first few years. Out of that you have to pay rent/mortgage/childcare etc. Ok UK you get free schooling, however, that’s 8.30-3.30. Have to pay after school fees if both parents working. That’s around £1k a month.
Im not pro pro EK just balancing it up.
Yea I have seen the figures in Dubai. Have you seen the rents London/SE England? To get good schools you have to live close to said schools. Even 1 hr drive out from LHR you looking at around £1 mill for a nice place close to catchment for schools. Or you go private and pay £25k plus a year. I know this because it’s the daily chats I have at pick up time and been looking to move for 3 years. Good schools expensive houses. Cheaper house pay private schooling.
I said before social security isn’t quite the same in UK as other EU. It’s there but my mum is struggling. Shes elderly disabled and the help she is getting isn’t enough. Why? She has savings. She’s been told if she gets rid of her money she will get more help from government. Not much but an extra £200 a month to pay electric and gas.
Yes EK you get no help but if you seriously crunch numbers and go worst case on everything financially EK is better, unless you rent in UK. If you rent and lose a job with a family the government will pick up the tab. If you have a mortgage they don’t as you have assets. Thats how it works.
This is based on 2 people working. Living in UK you need 2 incomes to get a good mortgage.
Yes the UK has a safety net but it’s better for lower incomes, rent, or 1 family bread winner.
Better than Dubai for sure. It’s not amazing though and the state pension is laughable. My uncles in another EU country didn’t believe we when I said how much ours is. There’s is €1200 a month. UK it’s much much less.