Originally Posted by
AIMINGHIGH123
Yes they didn’t fire as many people as EK. Look at BA though? They got this new Delta 8-10% pay cut and have no idea how long it will last. Years and years. The new Euroflyer contract for FO out of LGW is £49k a year. Easyjet financially not looking as rosy as it was pre COVID. Jet2 doing well and rewarded employees, however. BA are the only ones you mention offering the possibility of LH. Talking on the line and with others, many want to scratch the LH itch to see if they like it. Why join BA with a maybe in 5 years time of trying that? BA have made it clear seniority is not what it was. If you’re on the wrong fleet you will be made redundant that’s the fear at BA now.
Other reality is young SH captains say in 30s are saying is this it for the next 30 years?
So then it comes down to money. How can I get a nest egg to get out quicker and ME is the only place now. Pound is so weak with housing allowance it’s £9-£10k a month as FO at EK. China option is closed so people willing to roll the dice at EK. You are almost doubling your pay. I have compared a few months of 777 EK rosters with BA 777, with BA being under 8 years in company and honestly not as much in it as you would expect. I haven’t seen any but from what I have been told 10 years at BA then you start getting a better roster. Unless you go for command after 15 years then drop down the list again.
When you add everything up that’s happening in the UK and at UK companies coupled with COVID IMO many in aviation have been hit with the is it worth it question? Colleagues left the industry and seem happier now. Some too scared to leave the industry and don’t want to do another 20-30 years either flying or just SH think how can I try something different and get money quick. ME.
That’s the reality from the UK now. To you at EK it might seem mad but people want to try it.
Aiming you keep quoting the pay for an FO including the housing allowance?
Have you seen the cost of a decent place to live in Dubai? Or factored in the additional hidden costs that you will have to pay should you rent or buy?
The housing allowance will be eaten up completely should you take it, so why are you using it to boost your figures? All it does is grossly inflate the salary and not give a true representation of what you will actually save which is surely all the matters in your grand plan?
Ditto for command? Do you honestly think there are quick upgrades at EK these days? The benefit in the past of the ME was quick upgrade times, that is no longer the case.
You selectively quote for the new BA startup, £49k base plus flying pay. Not great no but no where near as bad as you make out. Ezy not doing well? News to the Ezy guys, and please tell me an airline that did well out of COVID other than freight operators?
Try doing 2am long haul departures for 8 years and tell me they aren't as bad as operating out of a curfew restricted airport, where you also have industrial agreements that prevent the worst excesses of bad rostering practises.
The "reality" you paint of the UK is a very one sided argument that you are using to justify in your own mind your decision to move to from the UK. All those bad points you make out equally and even more so apply to the ME where you literally are a guest worked with literally no rights. Yet you somehow try to portray it as a better option than living and working in a country where there is at least a social safety net.