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EK to Decommission 50%+ of Airbus A380, Axe 1/2 of Pilots & Cabin Crew

Old 6th Sep 2020, 14:17
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Gentlemen, I understand what you’re trying to say and I agree with some points. But we are all just lower levels employees (not even middle management) and we are not shareholders, investors, board directors or owners. When you start your own airline you can act in the most transparent way and make everyone happy. I’ve been made redundant a few times and I have never even thought of complaining about it on a public forum or providing my ex employees with suggestions of how they could have handled it better. Time to move on maybe and look into the future instead of past?
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Old 6th Sep 2020, 14:57
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I honour your restraint. I don’t however share your sentiment
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Old 6th Sep 2020, 15:49
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It’s easy to say it that way
I guess the last times you have lost your job in or near your home country - that’s completely different once u moved thousands of kilometers
and in fact every company has a responsibility towards security for your live as an employee - they don’t want to take it - and in the civilized world there is a union and laws to protect the security - yes I know it’s ME I should have known, bla bla - on the other Hand you hear HH blasting about how much the UAE is the best and the most advanced and again Bla bla
and it shocking and disgusting how low these people in reality - well knew they are not good - but really sooo bad
HH is sticking his head in the sand as you never see him announcing inconvenient stuff but when there is thing of positiv propaganda his weight in middle in the front
I means 6 month of fear and disgust - the only thing you heard is - your salary comes back what kind of superstar is this
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Old 6th Sep 2020, 19:32
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The factual posts are not heartless, only further down the path towards normality, and vice versa.


stolen from Wiki. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_stages_of_grief. They show a different graphics by JobCentre Plus too.


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Old 7th Sep 2020, 07:01
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There are many Western companies with unions that work with contracts stating "last in, first out". When applied, there is no consideration of your or your family's state of health, your age etc., it is just applied. Nobody complains because you have accepted and signed the contract.
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Old 7th Sep 2020, 08:19
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They didn’t waste time getting this out into the media.

DUBAI — Emirates airline will restore its employees full salaries starting from October, a spokesperson for the Dubai-carrier told reporters here on Sunday.

This comes as the company continues to ease travel restrictions and resume flights to over 80 destinations halted due to the coronavirus pandemic.

Since March the airline has made thousands of layoffs as it struggled to recover from the economic fallout caused by the outbreak.

Like other airlines and travel companies, COVID-19 has hit us hard, and as a responsible business, we simply must right-size our workforce in line with our reduced operational requirements,” an Emirates spokesperson said in July.
Unfortunately another article stated that they had downsized by 10 % but that shall increase to 35%, I assume this is for the group and not the airline only.
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Old 7th Sep 2020, 08:36
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The group has already downsized to 30%+ already this includes dnata local and global, ek outstations etc etc airline 20% at minimum......
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Old 7th Sep 2020, 11:03
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Did Emirate follow the same concept?? they probably use last in , last out concept , they fire people with higher salary .
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 04:40
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no they did not. They created a random software with things like salary, calling in sick, years served and then blasted redundancy emails. Inside corporate they asked the filthy grade 10 management to pick 30% of each of their departments to remove staff. Mind you many of these frivolous decisions were made back in April and May.....
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 06:27
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Originally Posted by glofish
There are many Western companies with unions that work with contracts stating "last in, first out". When applied, there is no consideration of your or your family's state of health, your age etc., it is just applied. Nobody complains because you have accepted and signed the contract.
Not many western companies now use pure LIFO as it can easily be classed as age discriminatory. They now tend to use other factors along with LIFO such as sickness, training, amount of cover etc.
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 09:16
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.... and by that you're saying that i.e. a factor sickness is not discriminatory?
Nothing is fair or non-discriminatory with such kind of dismissals. I simply wanted to point out, that however you proceed, you will anger some groups that invoke discrimination, injustice or else. It is a lose-lose situation, best worked out via the applicable contract. EK has no contract worth such a name and they simply outsourced the responsibility for picking the victims and that is what is so shameful, not the dismissals as such.

I wonder how the impending furlough at United will turn out. I guess the only way to circumvent any discrimination lawsuits will be acting according contract and this might well be LIFO.
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 10:52
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That’s why good companies sized EK have a seniority list - and therefore LIFO
it recognizes also the years of service and therefore the achievements throu your career and the complication to find a job in this field after many years of dedication towards a company - it demonstrates loyalty
if you hire at a company with seniority you know where u stand - it means security
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 13:49
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The number of pilots made redundant who had clean records but had had surgery, a life threatening illness ie cancer, or if female were pregnant is too great for it to have been mere coincidence.
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 13:56
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Good luck trying to determine the criteria used . Everday I hear of someone else and just shake my head . Most are stand up guys !
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 16:50
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And even the individual had a warning - as the issue is not followed by the authority it could count as discrimination
I found a video where EK presents it self as on punishment company - and we all know how easy they where giving them away - is not as the individual has payed somehow it price already - and therefore it would be a double pay
so all what this company did shows disloyalty and disrespect of its finest
I know a guy receiving a warning for not passing the upgrade - we’ll fired too today
this all is just BS
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 16:59
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It seems that LIFO agreements nowadays are only as good as the strength of the union behind the negotiations. Friends in some legacy airlines in Europe have seen historic LIFO agreements morph into various hybrid versions of LIFO, where the airline has insisted some weighting is given towards the ‘performance’ of the employee. At least there is total transparency as to how people are selected.

Should EK feel that pilot numbers need to be trimmed further, I have a feeling that the company will avoid making anymore pilots redundant, so that any leaks to the press can be prevented. Instead, periods of prolonged periods of unpaid leave will be distributed, knowing the resignations will happen sooner or later. It would amount to constrictive dismissal in the developed world.

I personally am surprised the company has not closed down the provident fund scheme and allowed us to cash in, minus the current value of our EOSB. It would save the company upwards of 20 million USD in company contributions alone each year (based on my fag packet maths), plus it delivers very little if any benefit to the Dubai economy. The cynic within me thinks the company is willing to overlook this cost saving, since releasing this capital would enable a number to sustain themselves, should we start seeing lengthy periods of unpaid leave.
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 21:42
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The majority of airline pilots in the world are at American airlines and are in unions. I'm not aware of an exception to LIFO based on seniority. Seniority is traditionally based on date of hire but after numerous mergers the hire dates are somewhat jumbled and 'adjusted'.
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 03:20
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They tried to do that with the new ‘old’ freighter contract but didn’t wash
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 10:26
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This is not dissimilar to the Utilities Allowance.
Lots of predictions that all were going to have to move into company accommodation.
There are far too many managers, senior mangers, VP's, SVP's, DSVP's etc, who made sure that didn't go.

Same with the Provident Fund. Ain't going nowhere.
It's not just pilots who would be affected.
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 08:29
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who says that these privileges can’t be management only
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