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EK to Decommission 50%+ of Airbus A380, Axe 1/2 of Pilots & Cabin Crew

Old 3rd Sep 2020, 17:34
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Well very pleased to see the reinstatement of full basic pay for those remaining. All truly deserve at least this after the many months of suffering....
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 21:11
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Yes White Knight, I am sooo pleased for you.
At least we can all work out who is who
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 21:57
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White Knight...

You can’t imagine how pleased I am 😏
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 02:16
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On the flip side I am not pleased as are 1500+ others about to enter 100% pay loss, of unknown duration
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 05:05
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I understand that. Many of my close friends were cast aside. Be that as it may, for those of us that are still here (and who knows what the future holds) it's good news - after the rumours of a new salary topping out at far lower levels than previously!
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 06:56
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So you think you are save now and god bless EK because the are giving it back - haha
fist of all your full salary is paid via numerous colleagues living next to you in unpaid leave.
what is if the business is not picking up in 2 month
This is a step to make the fallen ones forgotten - congratulations mission accomplished to shut up the voices over how, why it was done, if it was required at all.
Just to say if it really was required to go that path so harsh, than it’s not over
if 20bnAED haven’t save a single pilot of the 1500+ x- numbers of CC and who else was effected than the 7bnAED injection doesn’t do the job either in mid term - so I am glad to here you drifting back normal and having been brought to the side of the companies request to shut up over what just happened and at the bottom line who cares of those hundreds who have lost everything with just only a very little future if at all - but no doubt Dubai is great and EK the best employer - only that other big airlines with far less cash have protected the jobs so far while cashing in large injection sums
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Thats the thing. Other big airlines have managed to save nearly all the jobs yet, Emirates with its huge cash reserves and 32years of profits have made the biggest employee cuts of all of the airlines that I know of! Not only that but the ruthless underhanded way it was done is disgusting.

Even this last report paid 1.052 Bn to the big boss, maybe that could have saved several hundred jobs and families from the scrap heap. Instead will be used for a new yacht or the latest race horse.....

Great that we the 1500+ have been so efficiently swept under the carpet, much like EK 521
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 07:26
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Thats the thing. Other big airlines have managed to save nearly all the jobs yet, Emirates with its huge cash reserves and 32years of profits have made the biggest employee cuts of all of the airlines that I know of! Not only that but the ruthless underhanded way it was done is disgusting.
Your point being ?
That's how EK works for the past 20 years at least and that's how this region of the world operates. Perfectly expectable and "normal" outcome. To be honest I think it is pretty tame all things considered
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 07:34
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Originally Posted by White Knight
Full basic salary reinstated from October 1st. Accommodation, Education and Travel Allowances all cut by varying percentages!

Very pleased to see the full basic coming back though...
...And your first thoughts were to go on to a forum relating to mass redundancy on PPRuNE and tell everybody you are back full pay ?
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 07:38
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The point being pretty damn obvious to all but a blind donkey

I hope your never presented with this but if you are I will be the first to show support and sympathy........on second thoughts maybe not

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Old 4th Sep 2020, 08:29
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well said. There is no such thing as empathy in this forum sadly. Also the second comment I was told to “delete this post” when in reality you are right / THOUSANDS of pilots roles have been made redundant THOUSANDS of cc have lost their jobs and I’m sure THOUSANDS of dnata and EK back office staff. They will continue to deny because officially “hundreds” but we all know what happened, and the way it was done. Till you are fire you will not feel the pain. I’m very sorry Fired600 - even if everyone says move on, “this is Dubai what were you expecting” etc etc no one should judge you for venting. It’s quite sad we don’t have basic empathy for each other. Yes they handled it badly but please if someone wants to vent - let them - this is pprune.....
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 09:23
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Timeline. Qatar announced mid June 25% paycut. Unmentionable last month, 10%. EK just now, 0%.
It is a strange move, to be made still in the middle of a full blown crisis. All three could have kept it at any amount. They always relied on attrition numbers, and now there just isn't.
Do they know something we don't? Did they calculate to lower the costs to the max, and now they realized they can't afford to lose anyone in the medium term? Is it a image clean up with the remaining staff?
I mean, wouldn't it be just beautiful if they actually found out of a high likelihood of a vaccine or a really fast/accurate test to be ready, and they may have to recall everyone soon? And they know whoever could, would opt for any other airline instead? I would.
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 09:37
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It’s not exactly 0%, there is a 15% housing cut, 10% schooling cut and if you are ground staff a loss of leave as well. Also EK have had 50% pay cut for 6 months.

I personally think they will be screaming out for pilots the second the industry turns round. The number who return will be interesting to see, it could cause them a big loss in the long run.
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 11:30
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For everyone reading this thread, please note the following about EK:

You receive a contract that is legally not challengeable in Dubai and receive a yearly Contract Adjustment Letter. I kid you not.

The employees who arguably have built one of the most successful airlines in the world today, were the first thing to be shit canned. In the most vicious and inhumane way possible. Each number has a spouse and probably children (in school) and moved countries to come to Dubai. Destroyed in a heartbeat.

I address Ahmed bin Saeed as just that. He is no longer HH or Sheikh as he is certainly not a leader anymore in the eyes of so many. He is the richest of ALL the Dubai royals as his father was the ruler of Dubai and his side of the family received huge compensation when his father's brother Rashid became ruler. Personally, he is worth billions and could have easily softened this crushing blow on families. He is also the owner of MMI, seller of alcohol, heavily taxed, to infidels. And he is SILENT.

EK staff, past and present don't hear Timi, saying we just do it better and boasting again and again. Why is that Timi? We all know you clowns on the 9th floor read this.

The EasyJet crew seem to be favoured more than experienced and seasoned guys. Believe me when I say another hull loss awaits due to the type of operations and cost cutting.

The implementation of the Islamic tenants of caring for the sick, that Emiratis like AAR stuffed down the throats of infidels, have shown to be hollow in the UAE as has the integrity of the 9th Floor Muppets. So many people who were genuinely sick (ie cancer) have been discarded with no thought of the consequences. AAA. AMS and AAR. Take note.

I hope every country that EK flies to now evaluates if it is positive for them to continue as before. I am so glad that the Indians have made great issue on available seats to the UAE.

Emirates lacks integrity. They have been shown for who they really are. Despicable. Dishonest. Deceitful. Dubai Government owns EK. Dubai Law applies. No Unions allowed. Discussion of Etihad, banned. If it is SO good, then why?

I feel for so many excellent people who really made EK that are now suffering. I really feel your pain.

Best wishes to all.

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Old 4th Sep 2020, 11:49
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This forum is about information... Just passing it on. There are still many people employed here... This thread is looked at by them too...
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 11:54
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Originally Posted by WB1900
So you think you are save now and god bless EK because the are giving it back - haha
fist of all your full salary is paid via numerous colleagues living next to you in unpaid leave.
Haha?? I'm about to take the month of Unpaid Leave myself so why don't you wind your neck in?
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Scratch underneath the surface of this news and we still see an industry in the doldrums and EK struggling to piece together any meaningful schedule, which is reflected in the 777 fleet resembling more of an ad hoc charter operation than an airline. It therefore makes no logical sense to make the announcement yesterday and especially when forced unpaid leave was recently announced for our A380 colleagues.

Friends in the national carrier said they had heard that their reinstatement to 90% was thanks to a directive from the government, due to the prospect of so many being perilously close to being unable to manage outstanding debt repayments. The banking sector in the UAE is overwhelmed with the volume of expats leaving and the number that will likely default out of choice or necessity, after agreeing to service their debt after returning home. Either the same is the case at EK and they have been instructed to boost salaries or it is a pure PR exercise to try and paint a unrealistic and overly bullish picture of how EK is weathering the crisis.

I hate to be pessimistic here but I canít help but feel that we will see more periods of forced unpaid leave being metered out on a selective basis to help add some balance to the increase in salary costs. Should the company wish to trim numbers further, prolonged unpaid leave can achieve this by forcing people to resign and the company benefits by avoiding any fresh headlines reaching the media of more redundancies.

For those remaining, any sense of relief could be rather premature at this stage for some and any feelings of further resentment from those leaving, maybe misplaced for now. EK is like any other Arab airline I have worked for in the past, in that they will not hesitate to run a bus under their expat staff to safeguard their reputation and overall image to the outside world. Perhaps the key is already in the ignition?
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Absolutely spot on Emma.... Could not have said it better myself! Anyone who cannot see the game being played here by this bunch of con artists needs a head examination.

Watch this space......
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Haha?? I'm about to take the month of Unpaid Leave myself so why don't you wind your neck in?
well I would take it rather than having no aviation future - but thanks
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 19:12
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I'm sure you would... BTW, I'm not gloating as some of you seem to think. Just passing the information on!
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