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EK to Decommission 40% of Airbus A380, Axe 1/3 of Pilots & Cabin Crew

Old 29th Jun 2020, 15:30
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did something happen in Dubai and with its world best airline? Nothing to find
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Old 29th Jun 2020, 15:31
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Have a look at GFN of today, and look for the letter about the 600 EK pilots that were laid off...

COVID-19: Why target Emirates when airlines worldwide have hit turbulence?

Job losses at Dubai carrier are being given significance over and above all else

Published: June 29, 2020 12:51 Last updated: June 29, 2020 14:23

Manoj Nair, Business Editor

Dubai: The COVID-19 outbreak changed a lot of mindsets, both at the individual level and those of businesses. Among the latter, you can place US airlines at the top of the list.Prior to COVID-19 taking down the entire airline industry, every other month, you had US airline chieftains and their industry groupings point fingers of accusation at the UAE carriers – Emirates and Etihad – about their “closeness” to their respective governments. That the governments were, directly or indirectly, financing the airlines and creating unfair advantages up in the skies.

And the US carriers wanted the American government to put its considerable weight to get the Gulf carriers to “play by the rules” of a level playing field. Apart from a few stray voices from US congressmen, the government as such never paid much heed to these distress calls by the airlines.

The implicit message seems to be that each redundancy Emirates makes is another telling blow on the “Dubai Story” and how it crafted a success route built around the airline over the last two decades. That Emirates now having to engage in heavy layoffs – and the cuts, by all measures have been substantial based on market talk – reflects a permanent weakening of Dubai’s future positioning in a – still – global economy.

In all these tellings about Emirates and Dubai, there are throwaway lines about how the airline industry worldwide is facing an existential crisis. Something over and above what it suffered post September 11, 2001, the Global Financial Crisis of 2008, and minor ones during the SARS crisis.

So, the parent company of British Airways drops mentions about 12,000 jobs being on the line; Virgin Australia now has a new owner and with no clarity over what future redundancies could hold. Another Australian carrier Qantas cuts 6,000 and with another 15,000 “stood down”. Lufthansa is looking at 22,000 jobs that could go even after the government pumps in a few billion euros of life-support…

If we were to head to the US, the airlines are raising the possibility of “30%” cuts across the board.

That’s what it’s all coming down to – the COVID-19’s will not be leaving its impact on businesses any time soon. The pain businesses and individuals feel will be real… and it will be there for a long time to come.

The airline industry is right at the frontlines of this unedifying descent into the unknown. No one knows when a recovery will be sighted. Summer of 2021? Or will it be even later than that?

Not even the sharpest brains in the industry have a clue about it. A gut instinct, yes, but nothing more.

Given all this evidence, why is there an - outsized – outpouring of analysis over the job losses at Emirates and Etihad?

The impression these analyses give is that layoffs point to something deeper, almost terminal in what they represent. It reached a new pitch when news broke about as many as 600 pilots at Emirates being given the pink slip. That these 600 jobs somehow represented the sum and substance of Emirates past, its present and its shaky future.

Surely, there are other airlines where pilots’ jobs were sacrificed in the current wave of redundancy programmes. But none of those have set off tidings of doom as these 600 jobs have.

And then there’s the subtext – that if Emirates has to make do with 600 fewer pilots and up to 30 per cent of its workforce, what would it mean for Dubai?

It’s a testimony to Emirates’ messaging over the years that such a close bonding has set in minds about its connection to and with Dubai. But surely, the airline should be allowed to make its decisions, even about job losses, without everyone having to draw a direct line to Dubai’s future.

Yes, those 600 pilot jobs do matter… as does every other job that has gone after the virus struck. And jobs that will go in the coming days and weeks.

But let’s not burden those 600 jobs with the weight of an entire economy, i.e. Dubai’s, and its future.

Dubai has the ways and means to get itself out of the current predicament. Emirates, and the resumption of its flights, is part of those ways and means. The emphasis is on the ‘part of’.

Let’s not make Emirates or those jobs the entire story.

Signed,

A not-so-frequent Emirates flyer...
https://gulfnews.com/business/analys....1593421632102
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Old 29th Jun 2020, 17:07
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thanks for the copy of the article
in fact what is the shameful part is that It might not have been avoidable to reduce the workforce but how it was done
plunt ruthless no consideration for seniority or something else
no comment or alternative ways of handling it
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 05:15
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Originally Posted by Airbubba View Post

COVID-19: Why target Emirates when airlines worldwide have hit turbulence?

Job losses at Dubai carrier are being given significance over and above all else
Published: June 29, 2020 12:51 Last updated: June 29, 2020 14:23
But let’s not burden those 600 jobs with the weight of an entire economy, i.e. Dubai’s, and its future.
Dubai has the ways and means to get itself out of the current predicament.....
Signed,
A knob...
I think he's talking about them going down the road and begging more money from Uncle Mo. Last time they did that, part of the price was a name change for their big phallic symbol.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 05:27
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i think Manoj is trying to upgrade his flying status from not-frequent to frequent with sky-downwards...... maybe they will offer him a masked dinner at the phallic symbol........
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 06:04
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One has to wonder what he has been reading. Every airline is fighting for it's life and is cutting jobs....and the people that are affected are fighting their fight. Why does he think our fight is any different to that of a person in the UK for example?? And the layoff's haven't even started yet in the USA.....just wait. We are here in Dubai, and so is he(presumably), so yeah, he is going to hear about the Emirates layoffs front and center.

One clear difference is that with Emirates laying off 10 000 employees(was it 700 or 7000 cabin crew - so hard to get the truth here), we will have close to 40 000 people leaving Dubai, factoring in families and support staff and their families). I am willing to bet 40k people won't be leaving the UK when IAG does it's layoffs. To think that 40k people leaving Dubai will not have an economic impact on the city is woefully naive.

The issue is not EK but the fact that it is symptomatic of every company going through the same thing. EK is probably one of the strongest, so if every company fires 30% of it's staff, it's hard to see how that will not have a profound impact on Dubai.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 07:13
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and you would have imagined that the strongest companies would the last to lay-off due to their cash strength - but EK is under the first ones not providing alternatives to manage the issue

according to news papers around here EK has taken a lot of Cash subsidies and did not protect the jobs
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Originally Posted by FatPilot View Post
I think he's talking about them going down the road and begging more money from Uncle Mo. Last time they did that, part of the price was a name change for their big phallic symbol.
Yep, as I wrote here three months ago:

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EK knows that they will get government support. And if things get really bad, they can go to the piggy bank in Abu Dhabi. And maybe rebrand as Khalifa Airways sans the A380 'Albatross' fleet.
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Fatpilot , you referring to sheik Mo as in down the road from Dubai for a bail out ? If so you got the wrong guy !
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Old 2nd Jul 2020, 11:36
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The value

Another update past and still those have been made redundant are not even worth to be mentioned in one word

head in the sand keep hiding the bodies and keep rowing - disgraceful - while the rest has to live with the fear what will be next - but maybe they don’t have time in prep or enjoying summer holiday
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I am convinced that some kind of gagging edict has been passed down from above. Rumours still abound of the next round, yet we have pilots flying under these stresses. Safety and a duty of care? What’s happened to that?
Across the road at Fly Dubai at least the fallen are getting calls from peer support, the fallen in Emirates are not even worth a kind word or mention. Thrown away like an old rag....disgusting
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The way I read it is they have been given a gag-order from top management so however much he want to say anything he's not allowed. Heard from someone they are still going at it with office staff so might still be a while before they'll update us on anything unfortunately..
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Fatpilot , you referring to sheik Mo as in down the road from Dubai for a bail out ? If so you got the wrong guy !
Yeah you got me. That was the first name that came to mind for some reason. I believe he has bags and bags of money in a big room down there and nothing to do with it.
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Old 2nd Jul 2020, 13:19
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I believe he has bags and bags of money in a big room down there and nothing to do with it.
Had I think..specially with the low oil prices.. he's not even giving any to his own airline..
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There is still plenty of money, I'm sure of that. But his priorities now are to settle an issue at the courts with a former "asset" of him at the UK...
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The Abu Dhabi sovereign wealth fund is currently worth US$ 696.9 Billion, third largest in the world.
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It won't take EY long to burn through that.
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Just red an article that the owner of virgin Atlantic will add 200mio £ for the company
this pretty much the same amount it would need to protect all lost jobs at EK for one year
think about that
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Originally Posted by DuneMentat View Post
The way I read it is they have been given a gag-order from top management so however much he want to say anything he's not allowed. Heard from someone they are still going at it with office staff so might still be a while before they'll update us on anything unfortunately..
Yes they are. Definitely at dnata. Friend mentioned a few names of guys I used to work with who got the boot.
Seems they not done.
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Just red an article that the owner of virgin Atlantic will add 200mio £ for the company
this pretty much the same amount it would need to protect all lost jobs at EK for one year
think about that
Virgin are sacking 3000 employees - £200m is an attempt to save the rest. I would suggest that EK's borrowing this year will also soar even though they are losing staff.
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