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EK to Decommission 50%+ of Airbus A380, Axe 1/2 of Pilots & Cabin Crew

Old 7th Jul 2020, 17:20
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i am pretty sure EK crosses a certain line I regards of moral loyalty and security
as per the previous years EK has recruited everybody who was interested- only a few will reconsider depending on their job and employment status - and on top half the airlines fly already with ex ek and sure enough they don’t look back once they have seen what’s going on right now
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Old 7th Jul 2020, 17:46
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This guy gets it. The veil has been lifted, as someone who always harboured ideas of going to EK/QR at some point in my career, those days are over. The QOL, security, and even the money, are no longer there. It was always debatable as to whether life in Dubai would be worth it, now we all know.

I could lose my job tomorrow, for sure it would be a disaster, but my kids could still go to school and see their friends in September, not dashing out of the country to another country where Daddy has no job to go to. This will be remembered for years to come.
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Old 7th Jul 2020, 21:57
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So you are sitting on the dole in Brexland and the only people who are recruiting are the ME airlines - are you really saying you would decline?. You are treating the idea like you have a choice, what I am saying is that with the glut of flight crew looking for jobs anyone who is recruiting will have no trouble filling those front 2 seats.

For those looking for their next step after clocking up their hours in the LoCo's then the EK lifestyle will still be very attractive.
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Old 7th Jul 2020, 22:15
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Don't think the EK/ Dubai lifestyle is going to look that attractive for a long time .
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Old 7th Jul 2020, 22:19
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If I was furloughed in the US and EK was hiring, I would not go back to EK as I would much rather be a WalMart greeter! EK lifestyle? You mean like stumbling around with a constant fatigue induced headache on the few days I’m at base? Again it’s a moot point as the Intra European and US Domestic carriers will recover far faster and will be more resilient compared to the ME megaconnectors.

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Old 7th Jul 2020, 22:25
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For no money in the world I would go back to the ME, even if EK or the „unmentionable“ would be the only airlines hiring... I have learned my lesson!

BTW there is more to come... Wait for it
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Old 7th Jul 2020, 23:13
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Something tells me Jet II hasn’t dipped his toe in the sandbox yet!
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 02:34
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Originally Posted by paule737
For no money in the world I would go back to the ME, even if EK or the „unmentionable“ would be the only airlines hiring... I have learned my lesson!

BTW there is more to come... Wait for it
I'd second that
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 04:47
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The future


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Old 8th Jul 2020, 05:24
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Originally Posted by The Outlaw
I'd second that
Ill 3rd that
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 05:37
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I'll 4th that.

There is no way in hell I'd come back to the 2nd rate archaic airline and city. The money isn't worth the sacrifice, covid 19 will mean the further decline in conditions. I'd sooner fly a kite for free than an aeroplane for these clowns. Good luck to them. I look forward to reading about Dubai going broke from afar. insert middle finger here
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 06:44
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Many years ago, I heard someone say that no one who is happy, goes to the Middle East. There will be plenty of Pilots in debt or supporting ex wives who won’t cut it financially in their home countries, employed by a company they like working for. They need a tax free salary and a company house to be able to meet their financial commitments.

They will still be applying for jobs in the sandpit even if they would rather fly a B757 and live in a regional city in the UK with family and friends nearby.
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Wow what a massive generalisation!! 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

The groupthink on this site sometimes is mind blowing. I guess it makes you all feel better to have a massive pile on about pilots that dare ‘lower’ themselves to working in the sandpit.

The same c*** was spouted in Australia when the LCC’s appeared. ‘How could you lower yourselves to those T&C’s??’. (Usually said by a captain sitting pretty after 20 years in that airline)

People come here for many reasons, they also stay for many reasons. For starters stop assuming every pilot on earth comes from ‘awesome’ countries like the UK/USA. Plenty of other countries on this planet people don’t actually want to live. Who would have thought huh?!!

I’m not going to defend EK etc but I’m sick and tired of this c*** about how we all basically prostituted ourselves to come here and get a job. I came here for my own reasons, my friends stayed home. Both choices are fine. People make decisions based on the jobs available at the time. No point wasting a career dreaming about a certain job you’re never going to get.

And you can quite happily sit there and wish ‘they’ll get what’s coming to them’ about whatever company you wish. But the sad reality is, no matter what ANY COMPANY does to its staff during this time, when they start hiring again people will make their own decisions based on WHAT WORKS FOR THEM.
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 11:15
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Well said.
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 11:54
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Originally Posted by VThokie2
To get a 1st world pilot to move to the Middle East you need to offer superior QOL and money for the trouble. EK now provides neither in contrast to the previous economic upheavals.
They don’t need first world pilots, just pilots.
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 12:35
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Talking about pilots, many colleagues are receiving by this moment emails from the bouncy castle...
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 12:48
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It seems as if the “more to come” predictions were sadly right. Doesn’t look like there’ll be much of an Airbus fleet left after the end of the week. I was seriously hoping that the cuts were finished. It wasn’t to be.
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 14:50
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No one is blaming the pilots who went / still are there. We have nothing but sympathy for what you all are going through, as most of us were in your shoes. You gain much more perspective though once EK is in the rear view mirror. The discussion in the previous pages was geared towards will EK HR’s handling of this downsizing either help or hurt their future recruitment efforts? I would venture to guess you agree they are not handling it in a stellar manner!
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 15:00
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A redundancy exercise is best done quickly in one clean cut which shortens the pain of those affected and enables those left to move forward with some certainty, dragging it out makes all the employees suffer and low morale affects performance and customer experience.

The fact that more redundancies appear to be coming so soon after the first suggests either:

1. They got the numbers wrong first go.
2. Projections going forward are now worse than the original ones.
3. Circumstances have changed, possibly expected funding won’t now be available or a high level decision has been made to downsize.

With COVID - 19 cases in India and Brazil still climbing exponentially, resurgences being seen in the USA and Australia after lockdowns were eased and delays in allowing travel bubbles from countries such as Thailand, the return of mass air travel in the near term is very unlikely.

Emirates have been caught with the wrong fleet for the current situation, the aircraft are just too big. The neighbouring two can each string some sort of network together using A320s and B787s but EK don’t have that option. The current circumstances could not have been foreseen and the company was simply wrong place/ wrong time.

Going forward, an all B787 fleet comprising the -8/9/10 models could be an option while the airline gradually rebuilds itself.
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 15:08
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Originally Posted by Cantbebothered
Yes another 800 pilots was told today it is their last day.
By email.. or a meeting?

It seems the post I was quoting has been deleted.

I’m now getting messages from friends.. confirming very senior people in EK have been sacked today.

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