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EK to Decommission 50%+ of Airbus A380, Axe 1/2 of Pilots & Cabin Crew

Old 28th Jun 2020, 00:51
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literally the only authority which did that was the Irish as they where the only ones who accepted the Gcaa check form.
al others stopped doing it and you had to do a check with a EASA trainer on a EASA sim to have the type on your EASA lic. All of them stopped making A6 restriction in your EASA lic. Only Ireland still does it.
so it’s not so easy to transfer without paying quite a few bucks

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Old 28th Jun 2020, 00:55
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Originally Posted by chemo2018
"remember if you haven’t been trapped in the abuse of power due to a trainer who tried to screw you just because he could with no explanation you got a 3 or even a fail for utter BS where nobody wanted to Hear the truth and questioned the training body"

Or on the day the trainer has to FAIL a student because he was called in the office and told that his pass rate is to high. WTF. As a trainer in a previous life, I was proud of my pass rate. I was never questioned on the success of my students.. My philosophy was if my student failed, I failed. .You roll the dice every time you go to the sim. I guess during the briefing before the sim is to ask the trainer how is pass/fail numbers stack up in the training department..
In EK you are lucky to receive a training with one of the few excellent trainers. And there are quite a few trainers who wanted train to success and had been shown the door.

in general EK pilots are not trained they are checked only - lets be honest 3h sim with 2h briefing shows only that EK wants to talk about flying but not practice
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 02:58
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The EK training department never fully embraced the concept of imparting knowledge ie teaching. There were quite a few excellent TREs, I’m sure they’ve all been shown the door by now. Excellent TRIs were more sparse, which is where you actually need the enthusiastic teachers. You can take a B1900 pilot and transition them to 747s within an allotted syllabus time with a good trainer that are permitted by the system to teach and are encouraged to share tips/tricks/technique IN ADDITION to SOP. Happens all the time in the States. Unfortunately at EK it was always the line Captains that actually had to teach new hires how to REALLY fly the plane, because the training department couldn’t be bothered.
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 03:14
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The number of pilots made redundant that I have personally spoken too that have one thing in common, a medical incident generally surgery, is shocking. Shoulder surgery, back surgery, eye surgery, leg surgery, lung problems, cancer. I would love to think it is coincidence,

Surely a company couldn’t be that callous and vindictive that they fire long serving employees because they had a life incident? A modern caring company wouldn’t do that would they? No they wouldn’t, so what does that tell us about Emirates?

What does that tell you about the safety culture? Will pilots call sick now? Pilots who will fly sick because they are concerned that they need to put food on the table of their families. Pilots stressed to their eyeballs not knowing if they are next. Safety, safety culture, don’t make me laugh.
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 06:36
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Originally Posted by VThokie2
The EK training department never fully embraced the concept of imparting knowledge ie teaching. There were quite a few excellent TREs, I’m sure they’ve all been shown the door by now. Excellent TRIs were more sparse, which is where you actually need the enthusiastic teachers. You can take a B1900 pilot and transition them to 747s within an allotted syllabus time with a good trainer that are permitted by the system to teach and are encouraged to share tips/tricks/technique IN ADDITION to SOP. Happens all the time in the States. Unfortunately at EK it was always the line Captains that actually had to teach new hires how to REALLY fly the plane, because the training department couldn’t be bothered.
Couldnt agree more, sadly in my time the trainers that actually wanted to impart decent knowledge and helpful tips and tricks were whittled down to basically a person or two whom had escaped the attentions of the various fiefdoms that existed along national and ethnic grounds. As I’ve stated before, there was no way in hell I would have subjected myself to the nonsense and poorly thought out edicts and whims.

On the subject of redundancy, true to form EK are a mere stain, the considerable lack of humanity shown is part and parcel with the Arab mentality that is enabled by various western sycophants masquerading as qualified individuals. I do however draw some solace in the knowledge that a good number of these sycophants have been shown the door, the other positive outcome is that many of the Emirati oxygen thieves inhabiting positions above their genetic and intellectual capacity are now going to be required to actually work. I await with interest to see the inevitable and inexorable decline as the squabbling and Wasta take their natural course.
Lastly remember this, we aviators are resilient, we are skilled, we are creative and we are (mostly) intelligent...there WILL be an uptick, enforced change causes enforced adaptation, you can get through this.
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 07:43
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it’s a True comment “western sycophants masquerading as qualified individuals”. There’s a ton of office Grade 10s that actually and I repeated only finished high school that have zero to negative qualifications - the so called ex British airways group. Shockingly some in departments like safety and operations Who still hold or about to lose their positions as we speak

now for the emirati cadre - there’s actually a whole lot smarter bunch than the above who believe it or not will weather the storm and maybe give them the chance to do better than the expat lot. I agree - loads won’t but some will

the way crew has been treated is unforgivable. And since I started this thread - I wasn’t trying to coz harm I was giving a warning that it’s happening and continuing to happen

the pilots and crew thrown out the door did not deserve this . And the ones staying I hope will have the conscience that as soon as things get better will opt for better responsible airlines
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‘Killa, as I have said before, stop beating yourself up over starting this thread. You were merely a watchman on a tower who spotted a column of smoke rising. You probably helped a few people by preventing them from taking on more debt. Maybe your post created enough doubt in someone’s mind to hold off making a life changing decision until more clarity was received. Who knows?.....

The only people upset with you are the ostriches who either couldn’t or wouldn’t see this coming.

This whole situation remains tragic!

Any rumour whether there will be another round? And when?
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 14:58
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Originally Posted by VThokie2
The EK training department never fully embraced the concept of imparting knowledge ie teaching. There were quite a few excellent TREs, I’m sure they’ve all been shown the door by now. Excellent TRIs were more sparse, which is where you actually need the enthusiastic teachers.
Unfortunately at EK it was always the line Captains that actually had to teach new hires how to REALLY fly the plane, because the training department couldn’t be bothered.
In fact they used to have a very effective training dept in 90s and into 2000s however as it got bigger and bigger it was infiltrated by the lesser and lesser skilled and third world who then "taught" the new joiners who then got into training themselves and before long you had a couple of thousand qualified pilots who knew none of the finer points but still couldn't be told a thing by the line captains, many of whom were equally clueless anyway. Is that accurate? Some of the safety reports you used to read before they clammed up were just mind blowing.
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In fact they used to have a very effective training dept in 90s and into 2000s however as it got bigger and bigger it was infiltrated by the lesser and lesser skilled and third world who then "taught" the new joiners who then got into training themselves and before long you had a couple of thousand qualified pilots who knew none of the finer points but still couldn't be told a thing by the line captains, many of whom were equally clueless anyway. Is that accurate? Some of the safety reports you used to read before they clammed up were just mind blowing.
Yup that pretty much nails it....I wish I had the presence of mind to keep a few of those weekly safety report write ups, I try to convey what EK was like to my coworkers here at home and those reports would be eye opening for them. I did save my training reports for a good laugh...”sorry mate I’m gonna have to give you a 3 for SOP because you said “check” and not “check’ed” and you missed the “FL200 climbing FL360 call”, it’s still passing... more for your benefit than for mine!”... yea whatever, sign my certificate of test and let me go home!

I’m so glad I’m at an operator where we get checked every 12 months, relatively low threat. Line ops is low threat, if u screw something up It just goes in as a datapoint for the safety and/or training dept. No retribution, punishment. Any redundancies will be done in reverse seniority order with recall rights. Every week throughout this crisis our top executive leadership holds virtual “washups” with about an hour of Q+A. Maybe EK could take some pointers.

The only good thing I can say about EK was for the most part out on the line it was an outstanding group of pilots to fly with, at least when I was there.

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Old 28th Jun 2020, 18:52
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Quality to come

Let’s put it that way
the ex cpa is now training manager but actually not a trainer yet or just very short
who was replaced as cpa by a well know man not having any sympathy to his crew at all

EK offers a “health insurance” which is not a insurance rather than a the company pays for the health service and because it is that way we could not even choose to have a real insurance
so now apparently people a blamed and punished for Having used the “insurance”
what kind of society is that if we blame people for having health issues by throwing them and their families into a total disaster
what happens if you have a severe illness and you suddenly loose all medical support because you suddenly don’t have an insurance anymore - what a disgrace for a society which has per their rules and religion the duty to take care
i have a friend who’s contract got not renewed because of to many sick days - he has cancer - the company left him to die because he can’t afford health care any more

what a disgusting attitude of these people
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DW is CPA ? Not even a Captain. Were you referring to DCPA's ?
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Have a look at GFN of today, and look for the letter about the 600 EK pilots that were laid off...
I guess someone from within is trying to downplay the redundancy of the 600 ‘poor’ EK pilots...
One just cannot make up this sh1t.....
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did something happen in Dubai and with its world best airline? Nothing to find
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Have a look at GFN of today, and look for the letter about the 600 EK pilots that were laid off...

COVID-19: Why target Emirates when airlines worldwide have hit turbulence?

Job losses at Dubai carrier are being given significance over and above all else

Published: June 29, 2020 12:51 Last updated: June 29, 2020 14:23

Manoj Nair, Business Editor

Dubai: The COVID-19 outbreak changed a lot of mindsets, both at the individual level and those of businesses. Among the latter, you can place US airlines at the top of the list.Prior to COVID-19 taking down the entire airline industry, every other month, you had US airline chieftains and their industry groupings point fingers of accusation at the UAE carriers – Emirates and Etihad – about their “closeness” to their respective governments. That the governments were, directly or indirectly, financing the airlines and creating unfair advantages up in the skies.

And the US carriers wanted the American government to put its considerable weight to get the Gulf carriers to “play by the rules” of a level playing field. Apart from a few stray voices from US congressmen, the government as such never paid much heed to these distress calls by the airlines.

The implicit message seems to be that each redundancy Emirates makes is another telling blow on the “Dubai Story” and how it crafted a success route built around the airline over the last two decades. That Emirates now having to engage in heavy layoffs – and the cuts, by all measures have been substantial based on market talk – reflects a permanent weakening of Dubai’s future positioning in a – still – global economy.

In all these tellings about Emirates and Dubai, there are throwaway lines about how the airline industry worldwide is facing an existential crisis. Something over and above what it suffered post September 11, 2001, the Global Financial Crisis of 2008, and minor ones during the SARS crisis.

So, the parent company of British Airways drops mentions about 12,000 jobs being on the line; Virgin Australia now has a new owner and with no clarity over what future redundancies could hold. Another Australian carrier Qantas cuts 6,000 and with another 15,000 “stood down”. Lufthansa is looking at 22,000 jobs that could go even after the government pumps in a few billion euros of life-support…

If we were to head to the US, the airlines are raising the possibility of “30%” cuts across the board.

That’s what it’s all coming down to – the COVID-19’s will not be leaving its impact on businesses any time soon. The pain businesses and individuals feel will be real… and it will be there for a long time to come.

The airline industry is right at the frontlines of this unedifying descent into the unknown. No one knows when a recovery will be sighted. Summer of 2021? Or will it be even later than that?

Not even the sharpest brains in the industry have a clue about it. A gut instinct, yes, but nothing more.

Given all this evidence, why is there an - outsized – outpouring of analysis over the job losses at Emirates and Etihad?

The impression these analyses give is that layoffs point to something deeper, almost terminal in what they represent. It reached a new pitch when news broke about as many as 600 pilots at Emirates being given the pink slip. That these 600 jobs somehow represented the sum and substance of Emirates past, its present and its shaky future.

Surely, there are other airlines where pilots’ jobs were sacrificed in the current wave of redundancy programmes. But none of those have set off tidings of doom as these 600 jobs have.

And then there’s the subtext – that if Emirates has to make do with 600 fewer pilots and up to 30 per cent of its workforce, what would it mean for Dubai?

It’s a testimony to Emirates’ messaging over the years that such a close bonding has set in minds about its connection to and with Dubai. But surely, the airline should be allowed to make its decisions, even about job losses, without everyone having to draw a direct line to Dubai’s future.

Yes, those 600 pilot jobs do matter… as does every other job that has gone after the virus struck. And jobs that will go in the coming days and weeks.

But let’s not burden those 600 jobs with the weight of an entire economy, i.e. Dubai’s, and its future.

Dubai has the ways and means to get itself out of the current predicament. Emirates, and the resumption of its flights, is part of those ways and means. The emphasis is on the ‘part of’.

Let’s not make Emirates or those jobs the entire story.

Signed,

A not-so-frequent Emirates flyer...
https://gulfnews.com/business/analys....1593421632102
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thanks for the copy of the article
in fact what is the shameful part is that It might not have been avoidable to reduce the workforce but how it was done
plunt ruthless no consideration for seniority or something else
no comment or alternative ways of handling it
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Originally Posted by Airbubba

COVID-19: Why target Emirates when airlines worldwide have hit turbulence?

Job losses at Dubai carrier are being given significance over and above all else
Published: June 29, 2020 12:51 Last updated: June 29, 2020 14:23
But let’s not burden those 600 jobs with the weight of an entire economy, i.e. Dubai’s, and its future.
Dubai has the ways and means to get itself out of the current predicament.....
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I think he's talking about them going down the road and begging more money from Uncle Mo. Last time they did that, part of the price was a name change for their big phallic symbol.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 05:27
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i think Manoj is trying to upgrade his flying status from not-frequent to frequent with sky-downwards...... maybe they will offer him a masked dinner at the phallic symbol........
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One has to wonder what he has been reading. Every airline is fighting for it's life and is cutting jobs....and the people that are affected are fighting their fight. Why does he think our fight is any different to that of a person in the UK for example?? And the layoff's haven't even started yet in the USA.....just wait. We are here in Dubai, and so is he(presumably), so yeah, he is going to hear about the Emirates layoffs front and center.

One clear difference is that with Emirates laying off 10 000 employees(was it 700 or 7000 cabin crew - so hard to get the truth here), we will have close to 40 000 people leaving Dubai, factoring in families and support staff and their families). I am willing to bet 40k people won't be leaving the UK when IAG does it's layoffs. To think that 40k people leaving Dubai will not have an economic impact on the city is woefully naive.

The issue is not EK but the fact that it is symptomatic of every company going through the same thing. EK is probably one of the strongest, so if every company fires 30% of it's staff, it's hard to see how that will not have a profound impact on Dubai.
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and you would have imagined that the strongest companies would the last to lay-off due to their cash strength - but EK is under the first ones not providing alternatives to manage the issue

according to news papers around here EK has taken a lot of Cash subsidies and did not protect the jobs
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