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hptcc,
You seem to have the habit of coming in with a post defending PJ management and attacking some of the posters who bring in facts, then wait for a while until some strong and grounful responses to your posts have gone through their "peak effect" on the readers, then come back with the same scenario with different words and phrases. I have noticed that a number of posters responded to your posts strongly and have rendered you speechless and defenceless. All, including you are invited to revisit the previous pages in this thread to find this out.
Any how, I agree with S.F.L.Y's response and add to it a reminder to the readers that violating the safety of flight in so many ways and incidents is far from being "slight mistakes". One of so many examples is losing the maintenance history on the aircraft by forcing unauthorized mechanics to perform maintenance works without making any entries in the log books lest auditors discover the lack of authorizations (no licenses and no type rates) upon auditing and/or spot checking the aircraft records. Anyone interested in reading details of such violations can PM me and I will forward to him/her copies of stamped reports (in PDF format) sent to the CEO from maintenance warning him that flight safety was being compromised, with no action taken by the management.
May I also kindly request that in your reponse(s) do not resort to the personal issues. Likewise, insulting other posters is far from being professional. You can defend PJ "super managers" but in a civilized and professional manner. Let's see you respond to this post with abstract facts. Good luck.
You seem to have the habit of coming in with a post defending PJ management and attacking some of the posters who bring in facts, then wait for a while until some strong and grounful responses to your posts have gone through their "peak effect" on the readers, then come back with the same scenario with different words and phrases. I have noticed that a number of posters responded to your posts strongly and have rendered you speechless and defenceless. All, including you are invited to revisit the previous pages in this thread to find this out.
Any how, I agree with S.F.L.Y's response and add to it a reminder to the readers that violating the safety of flight in so many ways and incidents is far from being "slight mistakes". One of so many examples is losing the maintenance history on the aircraft by forcing unauthorized mechanics to perform maintenance works without making any entries in the log books lest auditors discover the lack of authorizations (no licenses and no type rates) upon auditing and/or spot checking the aircraft records. Anyone interested in reading details of such violations can PM me and I will forward to him/her copies of stamped reports (in PDF format) sent to the CEO from maintenance warning him that flight safety was being compromised, with no action taken by the management.
May I also kindly request that in your reponse(s) do not resort to the personal issues. Likewise, insulting other posters is far from being professional. You can defend PJ "super managers" but in a civilized and professional manner. Let's see you respond to this post with abstract facts. Good luck.
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Oh Ex-terminator, one cannot help but feeling that there is slight resentment from you towards PJ.!!?? It seems totaly clear that you are on a one man mission of 'revenge and wrath' and will do everything you can to tarnish them....
Now, lets look at the facts. In ANY organisation in the world may it be aviation, banking, knitting, running a brothel or WHATEVER - a CEO will employ Directors and/or Managers to FIX a problem and not just highlight them. You say that you have stamped copies of violations you bought to the attention of the CEO, well thats a good start. Question is, what did you do to RECTIFY the problem? There is nothing worse than employing someone who tells you there is a problem. Thats why you were employed, to fix the problem. I can tell my Company Boss's of lots of issues within the company or I can tell them of how I rectified them (also remember, there is a BIG difference in tellling one's boss how to rectify a problem and also in telling one's boss that the problem has been rectified). Question is, what did you do to RECTIFY the issues? I presume you did NOTHING which is why you dont work there no more. I don't really know, I am just trying to get a picture here of what went on.
It also seems that you continually dig up the past. In fact almost every post from you has talked about incidents and/or issues that are long gone. I agree they shouldnt have happened in the first place and no doubt they wont happen again but on the scale of it, you really should be ashamed of yourself wanting to leak PDF information to the public at large - and you call yourself a professional????
Furthermore, seldom am I rendered speechless or defenceless. Why? Because when I talk I know what I am talking about - do you? And I dont mean about what happened in PJ, I mean about Aviation. I think that due to your serious lack of aviation knowledge in the UAE, this is the reason you let standards drop in your area and hence had to result to blame when all the time it was you who was to blame. Also defenceless? Me? I think not! And why, it is because I work with passion and not aggression and thus have no reason to show defence or attack. I have a solid team of people where I work and they respect me as a professional and still joke around with me as if we were school kids. I think you never had this sort of relationship with your staff and they learned to dislike (I was going to use the word 'hate' but I feel you are the sensative type) you.
Anyway my dear friend, I am not one to get into e-mail battles with people but all I can say is that on the grand scheme of things, through the ups and downs, through thick and thin the fact is that PJ are still flying and flying well.
No doubt you or someone will respond with the old "2 years ago...." or "I remember when...." response......
The Vortex lives on......
Now, lets look at the facts. In ANY organisation in the world may it be aviation, banking, knitting, running a brothel or WHATEVER - a CEO will employ Directors and/or Managers to FIX a problem and not just highlight them. You say that you have stamped copies of violations you bought to the attention of the CEO, well thats a good start. Question is, what did you do to RECTIFY the problem? There is nothing worse than employing someone who tells you there is a problem. Thats why you were employed, to fix the problem. I can tell my Company Boss's of lots of issues within the company or I can tell them of how I rectified them (also remember, there is a BIG difference in tellling one's boss how to rectify a problem and also in telling one's boss that the problem has been rectified). Question is, what did you do to RECTIFY the issues? I presume you did NOTHING which is why you dont work there no more. I don't really know, I am just trying to get a picture here of what went on.
It also seems that you continually dig up the past. In fact almost every post from you has talked about incidents and/or issues that are long gone. I agree they shouldnt have happened in the first place and no doubt they wont happen again but on the scale of it, you really should be ashamed of yourself wanting to leak PDF information to the public at large - and you call yourself a professional????
Furthermore, seldom am I rendered speechless or defenceless. Why? Because when I talk I know what I am talking about - do you? And I dont mean about what happened in PJ, I mean about Aviation. I think that due to your serious lack of aviation knowledge in the UAE, this is the reason you let standards drop in your area and hence had to result to blame when all the time it was you who was to blame. Also defenceless? Me? I think not! And why, it is because I work with passion and not aggression and thus have no reason to show defence or attack. I have a solid team of people where I work and they respect me as a professional and still joke around with me as if we were school kids. I think you never had this sort of relationship with your staff and they learned to dislike (I was going to use the word 'hate' but I feel you are the sensative type) you.
Anyway my dear friend, I am not one to get into e-mail battles with people but all I can say is that on the grand scheme of things, through the ups and downs, through thick and thin the fact is that PJ are still flying and flying well.
No doubt you or someone will respond with the old "2 years ago...." or "I remember when...." response......
The Vortex lives on......
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hptcc, how can you seriously blame the employees for not fixing the issues assigned by the CEO?! Do you know that in our industry the CEO is generally the accountable manager in front of the GCAA? How can a CEO conduct illegal commercial operations without being blamed? What is your CEO experience in aviation? Gulfjet?!?! How many A6 registered aircraft does PJ operates today?
In addition PJ debts are famous all over the area. I think your company should first settle all these little stains before pretending being a clean ops on this forum.
In addition PJ debts are famous all over the area. I think your company should first settle all these little stains before pretending being a clean ops on this forum.
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Attitudes, altitudes and adults......
Ex-Terminator,
Maybe your approach was not stabilized? There is nothing worse than a non-stabilized approach where all your parameters are way out of synch and very importantly when your attitude just isn't right. You know it's all about attitude in this game...nothing worse than a wrong or bad attitude no matter what altitude you have in a Company. No one else seems to have had this isuue. In fact to the contrary, some have even found Top Management whole heartedly supportive, both verbally and financially. Again I will reiterate to you - In nearly ALL companies whether in the Middle East or wherever, Top Management simply dont have time to attend countless meetings, discuss countless problems which they know exist, argue with Managers/Directors on a solution and/or waste counteless hours listening to someone about the same old problem (not solution). Experience has lead me believe that if one of my employees comes to me with problem and subsequent solution then I simply tell him/her go ahead and DO IT, FIX IT, EXPEDITE and advise them only to come back to me once everything is solved and ready. I also tell them to not waste my time with small talk and pissy little meetings to tell me every step they took. In return, I offer financial assistance when its requested and required. To my good employees I will back them up all the way (when I say good, I mean those who show me results, those who pave the way for growth, those who prove me wrong, those who dont fill my inbox with utter waste, those who dont take credit for other peoples work...I think you know the type I mean Ex-Terminated, sorry Ex-Terminator). To the bad ones, well what can I say (when I say bad I mean those who hide under the radar, those who take credit for other peoples work, those who just rant on and on about the same old stuff day in day out, those who tell me what needs doing and then don't do it...I think you know the type I mean Ex-Terminated, sorry Ex-Terminator).
Anyhow, the show must go on. PJ will carry on flying to new altitudes with the right attitudes and Inshallah 2010 will see a better, more smooth, more professional, more hassle free organisation. I believe that PJ are on the up and up again so beware people.....
Heres to keeping the dream alive!!!
Maybe your approach was not stabilized? There is nothing worse than a non-stabilized approach where all your parameters are way out of synch and very importantly when your attitude just isn't right. You know it's all about attitude in this game...nothing worse than a wrong or bad attitude no matter what altitude you have in a Company. No one else seems to have had this isuue. In fact to the contrary, some have even found Top Management whole heartedly supportive, both verbally and financially. Again I will reiterate to you - In nearly ALL companies whether in the Middle East or wherever, Top Management simply dont have time to attend countless meetings, discuss countless problems which they know exist, argue with Managers/Directors on a solution and/or waste counteless hours listening to someone about the same old problem (not solution). Experience has lead me believe that if one of my employees comes to me with problem and subsequent solution then I simply tell him/her go ahead and DO IT, FIX IT, EXPEDITE and advise them only to come back to me once everything is solved and ready. I also tell them to not waste my time with small talk and pissy little meetings to tell me every step they took. In return, I offer financial assistance when its requested and required. To my good employees I will back them up all the way (when I say good, I mean those who show me results, those who pave the way for growth, those who prove me wrong, those who dont fill my inbox with utter waste, those who dont take credit for other peoples work...I think you know the type I mean Ex-Terminated, sorry Ex-Terminator). To the bad ones, well what can I say (when I say bad I mean those who hide under the radar, those who take credit for other peoples work, those who just rant on and on about the same old stuff day in day out, those who tell me what needs doing and then don't do it...I think you know the type I mean Ex-Terminated, sorry Ex-Terminator).
Anyhow, the show must go on. PJ will carry on flying to new altitudes with the right attitudes and Inshallah 2010 will see a better, more smooth, more professional, more hassle free organisation. I believe that PJ are on the up and up again so beware people.....
Heres to keeping the dream alive!!!
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I think it's funny that the(or a) pilot thinks he deserves the time and ears of the CEO. If you can't follow a chain of command then you might want to reassess who and where you are in it. Having said that, it's that way in every Company, wether it's a Corporate Jet outfit or Major carrier. 
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hptcc you really make me laugh on that one! Top management should not be concerned by how issues are managed? Top management is FULLY RESPONSIBLE in front of the GCAA and justice, as such, some involvement in the application of regulations and laws should be on their task list.
What if an accident happened to one of your illegal charter flight? No insurance would cover you and pay for the mess, while your top management would be first to pay the price.
By the way, to be responsible of something (ie flight ops) would naturally require some experience and knowledge. What experience of operations does you big boss have? How can he seriously make decisions and take safety responsibilities?
I'm sorry but according to the laws and regulations of this country (which you obviously don't know), your top management is actually fully responsible for all illegal operations it carried out, even if mislead by nasty employees with bad intentions.
What if an accident happened to one of your illegal charter flight? No insurance would cover you and pay for the mess, while your top management would be first to pay the price.
By the way, to be responsible of something (ie flight ops) would naturally require some experience and knowledge. What experience of operations does you big boss have? How can he seriously make decisions and take safety responsibilities?
I'm sorry but according to the laws and regulations of this country (which you obviously don't know), your top management is actually fully responsible for all illegal operations it carried out, even if mislead by nasty employees with bad intentions.
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hptcc,
I have to reiterate the need for you to have some respect for readers' time and intelligence. I also request that you respond to their precise and legitimate questions, rather than waste their time making personal accusations. People are interested in facts that would serve the industry as well as those pursuing their careers within it in an honorable manner. If you continue making posts like this on behalf of the Deebs simply because they can not write a single paragraph in Arabic, let alone English, they will drag you down with them.
At the end, time will tell where this "establishment" will end up. Whether it is contributing positively to the industry, or is being a disgrace, will be judged by authorities, financiers, service providers, suppliers, clients and other stakeholders.
I have to reiterate the need for you to have some respect for readers' time and intelligence. I also request that you respond to their precise and legitimate questions, rather than waste their time making personal accusations. People are interested in facts that would serve the industry as well as those pursuing their careers within it in an honorable manner. If you continue making posts like this on behalf of the Deebs simply because they can not write a single paragraph in Arabic, let alone English, they will drag you down with them.
At the end, time will tell where this "establishment" will end up. Whether it is contributing positively to the industry, or is being a disgrace, will be judged by authorities, financiers, service providers, suppliers, clients and other stakeholders.
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Honnestly EX T and SFLY, why are you bothering yourselves with those replies??? The prick is acting just like his pimp, giving lessons to the world when he's eating out of the toilet?
Let the guy speak, he's only discrediting myself and the organization he's bending over for. Anyone with some kind of self esteem wouldn't take such position, let alone people who made their bones in this business. If you see somebody talking a sh!t bath and the guy tells you "you stink!", are you gonna bother replying to him? I know I won't, I'll just laugh, just like I am at this dude's posts
Let the guy speak, he's only discrediting myself and the organization he's bending over for. Anyone with some kind of self esteem wouldn't take such position, let alone people who made their bones in this business. If you see somebody talking a sh!t bath and the guy tells you "you stink!", are you gonna bother replying to him? I know I won't, I'll just laugh, just like I am at this dude's posts
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You are right FC..and I think hptcc posts have been nothing but insults to the intelligence of the readers and posters alike. They simply are not worth responding to.
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Lost Experience!!
Hi Ex,
I was able to get access to one of the corporate reports you were on about regarding work performance at PJ. I was reading a para where there is a mention of a "lost experience" instead of gained or accumulated experience?!
How can this be? Would you care to elaborate?
Cheers.
I was able to get access to one of the corporate reports you were on about regarding work performance at PJ. I was reading a para where there is a mention of a "lost experience" instead of gained or accumulated experience?!
How can this be? Would you care to elaborate?Cheers.
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bherald,
I do not know your background or profession, nevertheless here is my response.
In this industry documenting the work in details is of an extreme importance, where any one performing any task on the aircraft has to document it in the log book with authentication, and authorization. This would safeguard the aircraft maintenance history as well the mechanic's track record of tasks he/she will have been performing, and hence the accumulated experience which is needed for licensing, and upgrade purposes. In order to document and stamp the tasks in the log book, a worker has to be qualified (licensed and type rated). This was not the case at PJ. No one could have his/her work documented because of the lack of licensure and/or type rate. The unauthorized and unqualified mechanics spent months and months working on the aircraft , which was a serious violation and never documented such work which was another serious violation. The second was the cause for the "lost experience" as the mechanics could not officially present the tasks to the auditors or authorities or claim that they had experience on this or that type of aircraft. This affected the mechanics morale severely. The problem is still existing with more violations, frustrations and morale deterioration.
I hope this clears your point.
I do not know your background or profession, nevertheless here is my response.
In this industry documenting the work in details is of an extreme importance, where any one performing any task on the aircraft has to document it in the log book with authentication, and authorization. This would safeguard the aircraft maintenance history as well the mechanic's track record of tasks he/she will have been performing, and hence the accumulated experience which is needed for licensing, and upgrade purposes. In order to document and stamp the tasks in the log book, a worker has to be qualified (licensed and type rated). This was not the case at PJ. No one could have his/her work documented because of the lack of licensure and/or type rate. The unauthorized and unqualified mechanics spent months and months working on the aircraft , which was a serious violation and never documented such work which was another serious violation. The second was the cause for the "lost experience" as the mechanics could not officially present the tasks to the auditors or authorities or claim that they had experience on this or that type of aircraft. This affected the mechanics morale severely. The problem is still existing with more violations, frustrations and morale deterioration.
I hope this clears your point.
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Ok.. I now understand
But it is a bit puzzling to see everything spelled out clearly: violations, warnings, advices and recommendations.. if the management cared, why wasn't it listening?!
But it is a bit puzzling to see everything spelled out clearly: violations, warnings, advices and recommendations.. if the management cared, why wasn't it listening?!
A good mate of mine is currently employed by PJ..... and desperately looking to get out.
Let's just say that 2 months with no salary from PJ makes my mate very pissed off...
DDB's have no morality....
Let's just say that 2 months with no salary from PJ makes my mate very pissed off...
DDB's have no morality....
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Ex,
As I found the news that you are bringing of interest, I have been talking to various people including current PJ employees. They never stated a single phrase that contradicts what you have been posting. However, you are mostly focusing on the maintenance side, which I prosume is you area of expertise. This was why I meant to check the other areas where I found an interesting piece of information relating to two ex CFO's who left the company because of conflicts with the CEO (Faris Deeb). One of whom left the company after decades of work with the owner in other businesses; and the other discovered something that the sources did not know the details of. It relates to some kind of "dirty deals" with some clients engaged in money laundery and smuggling stuff accross countries. As a result he resigned and was accused by the CEO of having stolen money from the company!
Can you or anyone else elaborate on this?
As I found the news that you are bringing of interest, I have been talking to various people including current PJ employees. They never stated a single phrase that contradicts what you have been posting. However, you are mostly focusing on the maintenance side, which I prosume is you area of expertise. This was why I meant to check the other areas where I found an interesting piece of information relating to two ex CFO's who left the company because of conflicts with the CEO (Faris Deeb). One of whom left the company after decades of work with the owner in other businesses; and the other discovered something that the sources did not know the details of. It relates to some kind of "dirty deals" with some clients engaged in money laundery and smuggling stuff accross countries. As a result he resigned and was accused by the CEO of having stolen money from the company!
Can you or anyone else elaborate on this?
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Prestige Jet Refuse Court Orders for Pay Employees
Hey, it quiet about Prestige Jet here. Why?
Maybe because they throw away employees who try to work by GCAA regulations, so nobody left know enough to discuss danger in pprune?
Maybe because Prestige Jet not pay employees now 4 month so everybody fear say something?
Maybe because they move from HQ to Al Bateen because court order to take furniture, equipment, cars for pay employees who win court case?
Maybe because employees afraid of Faris Deeb's "Bull" (this how Faris describe Jose) who flying two aircraft type, one of which has fraudulent sim check, who treaten other employee with destroy their career and violence? This same Jose sent away from Al Jaber for damage to aircraft due bad landing make damage to aircraft?
Maybe because GCAA protect Prestige Jet by refuse let aircraft owners reclaim aircraft by refuse deregistration, not force Prestige Jet to follow regulation, so employees afraid for job & carrier?
Adelante, comrades, we not paid and not receive help from GCAA unless we tell the world about truth in Prestige Jet. I started thread, please add comments.
Maybe because they throw away employees who try to work by GCAA regulations, so nobody left know enough to discuss danger in pprune?
Maybe because Prestige Jet not pay employees now 4 month so everybody fear say something?
Maybe because they move from HQ to Al Bateen because court order to take furniture, equipment, cars for pay employees who win court case?
Maybe because employees afraid of Faris Deeb's "Bull" (this how Faris describe Jose) who flying two aircraft type, one of which has fraudulent sim check, who treaten other employee with destroy their career and violence? This same Jose sent away from Al Jaber for damage to aircraft due bad landing make damage to aircraft?
Maybe because GCAA protect Prestige Jet by refuse let aircraft owners reclaim aircraft by refuse deregistration, not force Prestige Jet to follow regulation, so employees afraid for job & carrier?
Adelante, comrades, we not paid and not receive help from GCAA unless we tell the world about truth in Prestige Jet. I started thread, please add comments.
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they definitely are the worst company at paying their employees what they owe them. Even with UAE court order they ignore it and have not paid pilots that left last summer. If you even consider flying for these cheaters you will not be paid in the end when you leave.