freddieclemenza

We must make like other oppressed people in Middle East: make protest visible and loud, bring attention owner Sheikh Hamed al Hamed why he permit employees go without pay and company be danger, not legal and many lawsuit from employee, supplier. Also why he refuse order of court for pay employees who win judgment from court and make order for company pay.

Sheikh Hamed know situation but no caring - he refuse receive or hear Prestige Jet employees who go him and ask for speak about problems - so we must elevate story that it gain attention and affect Sheikh Hamed, since he does not care about his own loyal employees. All we want is pay that was promised us for our works but Hamed this billionaire refuse pay employees who responsible for his own safety. How much idiot that?

Sheikh Hamed office in hotel Sheraton Abu Dhabi - angry protesting Prestige Jet employees in lobby and Sheikh Hamed office area obtain his attention. Also attention of newspaper. Also write Sheikh Hamed in Sheraton tell him Faris criminal Jose danger please pay employees.

Fat Clemenza

if this company still exists, it's because they still find people desperate enough to work for them. Sorry folks, if those of you working took it to court and asked for their rights, things would be different. But so far, they still do not pay on time and employees still remain there, I can understand that it is hard to find other opportunities but you cannot bend over buttnaked and expect not to be screwed

freddieclemenza

"Sorry folks, if those of you working took it to court and asked for their rights, things would be different."

This even sorrier: number of employee take complaint to Labour Ministry, Labour Ministry do nothing and send them to court, all win judgements against company and receive court order make company pay - and company still no pay, just laugh on employees.

Company think it above law, laugh on employees, on Court of Abu Dhabi and on GCAA, which no enforce regulation on company and even protect company by refuse allow owners of aircraft deregister aircraft and take back aircraft. Company no pay aircraft, employees, suppliers, laugh on all of them and GCAA provide protection on company, not enforce safety and financial requirements.

These people Faris Deeb and Hamed Al Hamed no respect law or people or customers or suppliers or GCAA or Court of Abu Dhabi. Should be scandal - and will be if accident. Then GCAA go down with Prestige Jet, causing trouble to Emirates & Etihad when GCAA cause UAE downgrade to Category 2 and EK & EY growth refused by EU & US. Why GCAA risk such problem own career and for large UAE airlines in order protect Prestige Jet??

bherald

Freddieclemenza,
Those honest professionals who were unfortunate enough to work for PJ will agree that this entity is demonstrating a true picture of the 21st century slavery (as one poster who is an x employee, once put it) with the well known theme of: Over-work, underpay, force to violate and prohibit complaints. Because PJ management is far more advanced than others in the sand pit when it comes to mistreating employees, they go one extra step in parallel. They buy authority figures, just in case some employees manage to reach GCAA, MOL or other authorities. This last step was openly admitted by the management in more than one instant of intimacy with the chosen few. So who do poor employees hope to reach in order to get their rights?
The bottom line is, no matter what you do within the Gulf area, you will never win. They have the power, and influence on all authorities, ministries and courts of "law".
If any action is to be effective, it has to be taken to the international level. That is where the "Arabian system" is powerless. But this needs evidences and proofs. Do not go there empty handed, with just words.
Good Luck.
bherald

freddieclemenza

Thank you, bherald. Please, can you describe what you will advice us do when say "If any action is to be effective, it has to be taken to the international level."

Gulfstreamaviator

an EU airport or regulatory authority follows up the foreign aircraft oversight, based on input from persons involved in a flight or two.

or an employeee claims in hiis own EU country, a sum of money owing, and obtains a court lien, to padlock the asset to ensure settlement.

ie has the eurocontrol bill been paid.????

or airport bills outstanding....

all handling companies billsall up to date.

glf

bherald

Thanks glf..may I add a reminder here that once an a/c is airborne entering international aerospace, its airworthiness and compliance with international rules and regulations becomes an international concern and responsibility; meaning that regardless of its origin, registration or ownership, any violation can be reported to the relevant authority (e.g. EASA if it is overflying European aerospace, FAA if flying in a North American aerospace, etc). So provided one has a proof of an existing violation, it can easily be taken to the concerned authority that well and truly oversees and ensures regs compliance, unlike GCAA for instance. Moreover, PJ a/c land in airports across the world where airport authorities have the mandate to ensure compliance with the local as well as international rules and regulations. Those are places where one can submit the complaint with a proof. One of the rather simple issues that we had at European airports with PJ flights was with incomplete, missing or outdated certificates and licenses for a/c and crew members. Another more serious issues related to fake log books with false a/c maintenance history and defect rectification, not to mention counterfeit pilot licenses, etc.

freddieclemenza

Global Express N5UU join other Prestige Jet aircraft now repossess by owner leassor, like Legacy EC-KFQ. So process suggest above happen but benefit Prestige Jet owner who refuse pay aircraft, supplier, employees but still no pay to Prestige Jet employees.

Notice repossessed aircraft non-UAE register - GCAA protect Prestige Jet by refuse allow owner leassors to repossess A6-registered aircraft. GCAA look other way on operation violations and fraud training & maintenance records cause from pressure by Hamed Al Hamed owner Prestige Jet.

freddieclemenza

Latest thing from Prestige Jet. No credit for any flights, so pilots carry big amounts of money. Acountants have no way to track all the money because it comes from unknown places. When pilots terminated the acountants cannot equal the money and the pilots is charged with the missing money. Pilots names are sent to police to get money back from pilots when they are coming or leaving country. No one taking money, acountants are bad and another way Prestige Jet makes going to labor ministry to file complaint no possible.
Pilots paying with cash be advised you to be next.

KangarooFlyer

We have seen numerous threads detailing the underhanded methods of the ownership and management of Prestige Jet, but this one is really over the top:

Due to having no credit after failing to pay just about every person and organization it deals with, Prestige Jet sends its flight crews out with tens of thousands of Euros in cash in order to pay for things like fuel, ground handling, hotels, etc. The entire operation is a cash operation, customers paying cash to Prestige Jet, Prestige Jet paying cash to suppliers - an accounting, organizational control, security and money-laundering nightmare.

With this background, a Lineage pilot asks to be paid (the company has not paid employees in several months), gets nowhere and so files a case for his pay. How does Prestige Jet react? While said pilot is out of country, they file a criminal case accusing the pilot of stealing AED 2 million and now he will be arrested if he tries to enter UAE.

Of course, if he really took the money, the airplane would have never been fueled or paid its various landing, handling and other charges, so this claim is rendered prima facie absurd by fact of the pilot having successfully completed all assigned trips, which he could not have done without spending the money on required items such as fuel and ground handling (not to mention what an indictment this is about management control over the cash, if it is to be believed.)

Colleagues, it is bad enough to not be paid, to be paid sporadically and to be ripped off on your way out of the company - but to be accused of criminal acts and sent to jail because you do your job and ask to be paid is absolutely reprehensible. I hope that all in the pilot community will be as shocked and outraged as I am about this new low in UAE working conditions.

Thank you for whatever moral support you can add to this innocent pilot's travails. Please add your comments so that this thread remains on Page 1 of Pprune until the charges are dropped against this pilot, the current employees are paid and the court orders to pay former employees, a number of whom have successfully won judgments which the company simply ignores, are complied with by Prestige Jet. Thank you for your support and participation in keeping this topic and this thread alive.

BeCareful

Well... there ya have it gentlemen...

Do you really want to work for an outfit that makes you launder their money, doesn't pay your salary for months, and then tries to imprison you when you try to move on simply because they don't want to pay your end-of-service benefits...

Most people would find this assertion laughable to the point of ridiculous.... yet with Prestige.... 'laughable and ridiculous' are kind words to describe them...

Fat Clemenza

Why don't pilots take whatever money they are owned and get the hell out? I am not saying "steal all the money" but to take their salaries and leave

NZ X man

Just a few years ago, they were going well,.paying well , putting the crew in good hotels, and everybody seemed happy, but anybody who dealt with them or worked for them, myself included, could see the end on its way. You do not keep lying to everybody, including the folks who are out there trying to be your professional crew, with out paying the price at the end of it all. I feel for the guys who for whatever reason, are still there, and having to put up with was a fairly difficult job to start with.

Good Luck.

freddieclemenza

We fail to understand the impact having a job like Prestige Jet has to our families. My family has suffered much because Prestige Jet and the Deebs have seen fit to spend my salarie on new cars, new villas and fill the pockets of the Chairman who has much money already. Then they make trouble with police for pilots leaving thier employ. You do the best you can, then they smash you down. I am sure Mr. Deeb, Mr. Yousef have never missed salarie. SH. Hamed please help your people, pay what is owed to now employees and pay what is owed to employees who have money coming to them from before.

onhmss

I have personal experience of taking my case, not dissimilar to this bunch, to taking my case to the Ministry of Labour in Abu Dhabi. I found them helpful, protective, and what's more surprisingly efficient at getting my money. PM for info. DON'T PUT UP WITH IT !

pinkus

P.S Who was the pilot can someone PM me?

bherald

Dear All,
With all that has been reported about PJ, its management and ownership, I am sure that there is evidence that this outfit is corrupt; to say the least. Between current and x employees and outsiders, the crucial role would be the responsibility of the current employees whose information about the compay's prcatices are fresh. This is if ,at all, we intend to stand in the face of a corrupt bunch of creatures, and stop them from doing any more harm and damage to people's lives, to the industry, and to the whole world and mankind. Having said this, I have to point out that I am hereby addressing that category within the current employees who have an alive consience; and who are willing to contribute and put efforts towards putting this entity, its owners and managers where they belong. One would ask why would a decent person want to stay at this **** hole? the answer is because he or she will have been conned into joining, and stranded by bonds and other evil tools that PJ has plenty of. I call upon that category to help expose PJ and pass documents as proofs of corruption, violations, safety compromises, etc, to as many intenrational authorities as well as local UAE authorities. This way, the UAE authorities would be at least exposed to the whole world if they do not take an action; whereas international authrities are bound to act eventually.
BH

KangarooFlyer

Further the the above comment by freddieclemenza, I had posted a separate comment detailing the situation. Rather than repeating that here, may I draw your attention to the other thread "Prestige Jet: Do Your Job, Go to Jail".

The behavior of Prestige Jet ownership and management becomes more scandalous and reprehensible every day. Please help us keep the spotlight - and the pressure - on this situation by adding a comment to either of these threads if you seem them slipping onto PPRuNe Page 2 - we need to keep both threads on Page 1, in order to garner the maximum readership and effect.

Thank you.

freddieclemenza

Mr Kangarooflyer,
Thank you for your comments.

sunnydolan

Easy to see who I am. PJ sent me an email on my personal email account just about 1 year ago today. This was because my company email and phone had been silenced that day (without my knowledge). The email stated that I was no longer necessary, vacate my apartment and go home. I filed suit in Labor court, won the judgement, hired lawyers, all of that and Prestige Jet has still not paid my back salary, vacation time not taken and end of service. They simply refuse to pay. If you think you can do better, I suggest you think again. If anyone in management's lips are moving they are lying. They lie to the government, the labor court, the employees, the suppliers, the aircraft companies and anyone else who will listen to the line of BS. Tread lightly my fine feathered friends.