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happyb777

Don't fool yourself mate. As many have said, we generally have competent, professional aviators here. Because of that they realise that it is not your fault that the company is hiring DEC's and they are still committed to carrying out their duties appropriately. That doesn't mean they are happy with the situation. Far from it in fact. They are just mature enough to realise that any childish actions on their part are only going to reflect poorly on them as individuals and not make one scrap of difference to the situation.

The real measure of what F/O's think of DEC's is indicated by the amount of guys that are choosing not to accept employment with EK.

4legsaday

Hmm...
...I was joining my current company as DEC as well and I had no problems, but for shure you have to be more "experienced" and if you have gained your hours by tricks or you are not experiencend enough to handle the DEC situation....things can go bad. After almost then years in my operations, I handled the DEC fine, but I donīt know EK.

However, the topic was EC (EK) yes or no....anybody who has the requested experience in widebodies/longhaul ops
(not shorthaul/mediumhaul 737/A320/MD80...etc) with a professional attitude is my collegue, regardless where I am sitting and be shure I will support him or her. This is my point of view and it figured out fine until today.

Maye pprune is really not the right medium to base decisions on, that is also my point of view. I have been flying in companies with and without unions and all of them have taken DECīs. When you reach the company requirements you will be upgraded in an expanding company, believe me if you donīt make it there you will make it nowhere.

I am very shure that you have been asked the question : How do you handle it to be First Officer for 5 years?

Why did you guys sign the contract???

You feel bad about where you are???
You need green grass???
You need LHR rain???

Try to calm down, relax....if you donīt feel better, go where ever you think it is better. I know itīs arrogant, itīs selfish.....itīs so damn bad, but maybe it is the truth.

Happy new year
marsalama

happyB777

It doesnt matter if you are flying MD80 ,737 or B 767.

In my previous company. I was flying A320 and then B767 and now B777. There is no difference or do you have to be born on widebodies to fl them.

Thank u

GTP

i got both books and been to the EK interview. must say Capt XYZ is the better book ( to help you pass). the other emirates interview is more helpful after you get the job.
thats my 2 cents..

flycaptain

Thanks for the reply... how was the interview itself.... any hints that can help.

flycaptain

Thanks for your reply.. i greatly appreciated... have you gone thought the interview yet.... if yes .. any hints that can help. thanks

4legsaday

Well, Happy777,
sorry for not responding you on the "born on the widebody" stuff, but it is really too low profile, maybe I didnt made myself clear enough,
Someone has been Captain for about 10 years on a A320 e.g. coming now to a new aircraft, company, new route network, ground ops etc.
Do you agree that there might be some change in operation?

Could you imagine if this DEC now will fly with guys who have at least the same experience like you plus three years of company time, for example.
Do you think that this constellation presents the optimum?
I do mind about the experience of an DEC Happy777, specially one is bringing less qualification for the required operation.
Flying hours finally do not say nothing at all. I can understand the most of the EK FO´s concerning about exactly this fact.

Makes no sense you have an more experienced and qualified F/O on type ,he will not feel well flying with you, including me and I had also my personal experience with this situation.

Captain should be the most experienced on type (apart from other criterias), this is my opinion only Happy777.

cheers
4/l/a/d

typhoonpilot

Hi ETOPS, my friend, what I meant to say, and it obviously didn't come out correctly is that the people who joined EK as F.O.s 3 years ago, or even just over 2 years ago, made the decision to do so based on career advancement closely paralleling seniority. They did not expect there to be DECs hired in front of them. I, for one, would not have joined EK three years ago if I thought there was a chance of DECs being hired in front of me.

The comparison to KAL was meant to say that KAL have been hiring DECs for 25 years, so anybody joining there as an F.O. should know that will continue to be the case.

The hiring of DECs at EK has not adversely affected upgrades on the 777....yet, but it will. It has adversely affected the upgrade times of First Officers on the Airbus. That is without question. Our classmates on the Airbus, as you well know, will not upgrade at the same time as those on the Boeing.

With the further hiring of DECs at EK, the adverse effects on F.O.s will only continue. The rapid expansion mitigates the pain, but at some point the expansion will stop and some will be stuck in the right seat for a very long time.


Typhoonpilot

Geeg

I have gone through the interview and it was recent and it appears to have changed since XYZ book was out. Emirates focus a lot on the phyc test and its accurely portrayed in the emiratesinterview.com but in a nutshell Emirates takes what they have learned from the phyc tests and generate your final interview qestions based on this. I didn't get much generic questions. Its good to know how they score you to help you pass which is also in the newest book. I got the offer a week after my interview, if I was you and cost is not an issue, I would probably buy both books. You can never have to much information and its a cost to get there which may guarantee the offer. It was the toughest interview I have ever had, Good luck!

Diabolo

Hi Geeg,

Did you accept the offer ?

When do you start your course and on which type ?

Thanks

A+

flycaptain

Hi Geeg

Congradulation on your interview, thanks for the reply. How was the tech test. multiple choice, is it information from ACE THE TECH INTERVIEW book? Sim 777 or 310. and how about the group activities? once again congrad and wish you the best.

Geeg

Hi flycaptain,

I tried to PM you but I get the error below, maybe the admin could shed some light on this?

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fullforward

Hey Geeg!

Congrats, but why not share your impressions and findings with the Pprune community?...
Just a thought...

good luck!

2lowgear

Happy New Year everyone!! Does anyone have "Handling the Big Jets- D.P.Davies" and "Prepare for your Emirates interview - Capts X,Y,&Z" they want to sell. I live in Dubai, so I could pick it up locally. Thanks.

N.W.

JumpinJack Flash

Thanks a lot JJF!!! But I would suppose you're still to undergo a full UAE medical even if you hold a valid JAA class1, right??

Yes you would......First a government medical to live in the country, which is basically a blood test to check for HIV. Next medical is a company medical which is to check you are fit for EK employment (may have been done at your interview or back at home base) and finally your GCAA flying licence medical for the issue of your GCAA ATP licence

propaganda

When will people learn all airline management are politicians......and therefore
lying B*******ds. Do not believe a word unless it's in writing even then be wary.

LHR Rain

I don't care how many hours you have or type ratings you have acquired you still are not qualified to jump anyone on our senority list. Get in line matey!
By the way how much money are you making and what airline are you working for that makes EK seem so glamourous to you? Is that sensible enough for you!

Scooter Rassmussin

Well mR Swish,
there is F/Os in the airline with more hours and more command time than you, thats how hard the company is screwing these guys.
They have no problems with checks or anything some had it in writing they would get a command in 18 months , but the standard answer seems to be unfortunately you joined as an f/o .........

dont be such a cocky bastard and you must also be a desperate one as well if you have to come here............

Hero

typhoonpilot

There is no such thing as a sample roster. Rosters change so much from one individual to another that you will not get a good idea of the schedule based on one roster. You could have a month full of India night flights or one with 3 Europe turns and a short MEL. You could have 8 days off or 18.

Generally speaking you will get about 3 or 4 nice rosters per year with the other 8 somewhere between okay and crappy.


TP

Cerberus

Yes x 3!

Manual Insertions up the ying yang and management also cherry pick their flights before you get to bid. You will get the crap at the bottom of your bid group. You will suck the hind tit for leave!

Cerberus