Emirates (EK) Interview - all you need to know about it (threads merged)
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LHR Rain and Scooter,
Boys,boys boys,
You do understand what the term former captains means right? They used to be captains at their companies but were moved back to the right seat because of cutbacks. One of those coming this month is still a Captain at his present company which is in bankruptcy and will not last longer than a year.
In the case of Usair, when you furlough 1900 pilots then logic dictates that every pilot remaining on the property moves back 1900 numbers. Assuming half of the list are Captains and half F/O's then you now have 950 less Captains on the active list. Thus there are 950 FORMER Captains. It ain't rocket science, just basic math.
See, even here you keep discovering!
Regards,
330 Man
Boys,boys boys,
You do understand what the term former captains means right? They used to be captains at their companies but were moved back to the right seat because of cutbacks. One of those coming this month is still a Captain at his present company which is in bankruptcy and will not last longer than a year.
In the case of Usair, when you furlough 1900 pilots then logic dictates that every pilot remaining on the property moves back 1900 numbers. Assuming half of the list are Captains and half F/O's then you now have 950 less Captains on the active list. Thus there are 950 FORMER Captains. It ain't rocket science, just basic math.
See, even here you keep discovering!
Regards,
330 Man
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330 Man you are always so helpful to us without the wisdom that you have attained over the years. That was a basic, logical explanation that even I understood.
Next question is just because those ex-captains leave the US to come as FOs to EK do they make more or less money.
I expect that EK mangement loves that they are coming to the sand.
Next question is just because those ex-captains leave the US to come as FOs to EK do they make more or less money.
I expect that EK mangement loves that they are coming to the sand.
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Rain has some valid points.
When I joined EK there were several exUS pilots from Eastern they aint here any more.
The US pilots need jobs,EK offers that but when the US market picks up how many will stay?Good luck to them if they come EK are lucky.
For those that gave up good jobs as opposed to needing work because they had no work we are all now in the same boat.
The fact that 1st world pilots are leaving in bigger numbers than ever before that courses remain unfilled for December speaks volumes.Those that come now,come because they have to.
So fill the spaces?Easy.Drop the entry requirements and standards that once existed.Hey presto we have the pilots.
Simple take all 25 that apply daily.
QB
When I joined EK there were several exUS pilots from Eastern they aint here any more.
The US pilots need jobs,EK offers that but when the US market picks up how many will stay?Good luck to them if they come EK are lucky.
For those that gave up good jobs as opposed to needing work because they had no work we are all now in the same boat.
The fact that 1st world pilots are leaving in bigger numbers than ever before that courses remain unfilled for December speaks volumes.Those that come now,come because they have to.
So fill the spaces?Easy.Drop the entry requirements and standards that once existed.Hey presto we have the pilots.
Simple take all 25 that apply daily.
QB
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There are many many fine pilots from England, Scotland, OZ, NZ etc that are not white. That is not what I was referring to when I said EK is recruiting from different places.
I've flown all over the world and been involved in training many different nationalities. Some groups are better than others but it has nothing to do with race or skin color. It has everything to do with education, training, and specific airline culture.
Your post of November 2nd wasn't very well thought out and showed a terrible lack of judgement to place on a public board. I think you owe quite a few people here a public apology for your insensitive remarks. While you're at it, apologize to the DEC you slandered so thoughtlessly as well.
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I condem racism and I agree LHR's comments were not well articulated. But I dont see many of the guys on this website up in arms about sexism. Whilst some of the best pilots Ihave flown with are not from my home country and I'm no 5* pilot, some of the best pilots Ive flown with have also worn skirts when they go out for a beer.
If everybody wants to stick their heads in the sand and copy the managers thats fine. The simple fact is that the entire Pilot recruitement team management resigned a little time ago over issues of standards, along with 70% of he recruiters. The said managers resigned after our management forced them to take certain individuals that had failed the recruitment process, but came from his previous airline amongst other issues. Guys who have had no end of incidents since they arrived and they are actively looking for ways to get them out of here.
In terms of standards we get closer and closer to GF 5 years ago, and nothing is going to happen until we have a few hundred chared body parts to show for it.
LHR writes awful posts, but there is an abundance of truth behind falling standards. So why not cut all the bull **** and get back to the topic.
If everybody wants to stick their heads in the sand and copy the managers thats fine. The simple fact is that the entire Pilot recruitement team management resigned a little time ago over issues of standards, along with 70% of he recruiters. The said managers resigned after our management forced them to take certain individuals that had failed the recruitment process, but came from his previous airline amongst other issues. Guys who have had no end of incidents since they arrived and they are actively looking for ways to get them out of here.
In terms of standards we get closer and closer to GF 5 years ago, and nothing is going to happen until we have a few hundred chared body parts to show for it.
LHR writes awful posts, but there is an abundance of truth behind falling standards. So why not cut all the bull **** and get back to the topic.
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LHR Rain,
Good question. I do not know the answer. With all of the paycuts at Usair I am not sure of the current pay scale, plus there are other factors. If they were displaced to the right seat of the 330 or 767 international, then they are probably on reserve and not breaking the minimum guaranteed salary. (72 hours) If on the other hand they went to the right seat of the narrow body fleet for the seniority than they are flying a full schedule of 85-90 hours a month. I THINK that the narrow body salary is around 90 US per hour. Maybe someone else knows the exact figure.
Remember that they will loose 30%-40% of that for union dues, state and federal taxes, medical insurance etc. If they are like me, they did not come here for the money, but the command. A 3 year upgrade, (sometimes fantasies do come true!) here at EK will be faster then at the previous company.
TP if you know the current salary at U maybe you could correct me and shed some light.
Regards,
330 Man
Good question. I do not know the answer. With all of the paycuts at Usair I am not sure of the current pay scale, plus there are other factors. If they were displaced to the right seat of the 330 or 767 international, then they are probably on reserve and not breaking the minimum guaranteed salary. (72 hours) If on the other hand they went to the right seat of the narrow body fleet for the seniority than they are flying a full schedule of 85-90 hours a month. I THINK that the narrow body salary is around 90 US per hour. Maybe someone else knows the exact figure.
Remember that they will loose 30%-40% of that for union dues, state and federal taxes, medical insurance etc. If they are like me, they did not come here for the money, but the command. A 3 year upgrade, (sometimes fantasies do come true!) here at EK will be faster then at the previous company.
TP if you know the current salary at U maybe you could correct me and shed some light.
Regards,
330 Man
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LHR Rain
Interesting thread this, came across a post of yours on 2 Nov.
In this quote, it appears that you ask others to allow your own self expression within reason.
Good advice, try using it.
Interesting thread this, came across a post of yours on 2 Nov.
Way to many people are sensitive on this site and we still have the right to express ourselves anyway we deem fit with some possible exceptions.
Good advice, try using it.
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330 Man:
Great site for U.S. and now Canadian info is www.airlinepilotcentral.com
The specific link you requested is here:
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/content/view/10/16/
TP
Great site for U.S. and now Canadian info is www.airlinepilotcentral.com
The specific link you requested is here:
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/content/view/10/16/
TP
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Hello all....
I fly for an Indian carrier and this is for all those compatriots thinking of making the move to the sandpit....
remember, the minute u step off the boat you're viewed as someone who's got low "standards" and was paid a pittance in his/her? previous airline where food on the table was hard to come by....
so take a good look at these posts.... the grass is always greener on the other side of Shk Zayed road.....
if u'r happy where u are and the kind of things happening in Indian aviation, there's no need to leave and suffer the humiliation of being a "poor" standard pilot....
keep the posts coming though, it's nice to see globalisation happen in aviation.....
salam namaste.....
I fly for an Indian carrier and this is for all those compatriots thinking of making the move to the sandpit....
remember, the minute u step off the boat you're viewed as someone who's got low "standards" and was paid a pittance in his/her? previous airline where food on the table was hard to come by....
so take a good look at these posts.... the grass is always greener on the other side of Shk Zayed road.....
if u'r happy where u are and the kind of things happening in Indian aviation, there's no need to leave and suffer the humiliation of being a "poor" standard pilot....
keep the posts coming though, it's nice to see globalisation happen in aviation.....
salam namaste.....
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I think you'll find that the reason the recruiting team resigned was more to do with the change in the credit/pay system, rather than any percieved issues of principle, integrity or compromised standards.
Remember this is an expat airline, no one really gives a toss about the company. when you get down to it everyone is only interested in the best deal they can get for themselves, and with the change in pay the guys decided their time was better spent on the line.
Of course with the passing of the sands of time, most of these guys will now claim that their highly principled stand was largely misinterpreted by cynics like me.
Remember this is an expat airline, no one really gives a toss about the company. when you get down to it everyone is only interested in the best deal they can get for themselves, and with the change in pay the guys decided their time was better spent on the line.
Of course with the passing of the sands of time, most of these guys will now claim that their highly principled stand was largely misinterpreted by cynics like me.
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Masalama
You are not viewed that way by anyone except the 3 stooges led by LHR rain on this forum.
These clowns dont have the guts to say anything in person, they will post here protected by the anonymity of the internet.
The reality is LHR, Earl and Seaman are all
sad little men that have failed to manage their lives and careers, and its everybody elses fault.
There are a lot of oppurtunities out there, but you have to be an adult about it.
Dont come to the middle East and complain about the heat, or join a long haul airline and complain about flying at night, or move from London to Dubai and complain about the traffic, thats what these guys do.
Stay or go, you do have great opurtunities in India. But without exception everyone I have flown with at EK is great to work with which makes me suspect these nitwits dont really work here.
You are not viewed that way by anyone except the 3 stooges led by LHR rain on this forum.
These clowns dont have the guts to say anything in person, they will post here protected by the anonymity of the internet.
The reality is LHR, Earl and Seaman are all
sad little men that have failed to manage their lives and careers, and its everybody elses fault.
There are a lot of oppurtunities out there, but you have to be an adult about it.
Dont come to the middle East and complain about the heat, or join a long haul airline and complain about flying at night, or move from London to Dubai and complain about the traffic, thats what these guys do.
Stay or go, you do have great opurtunities in India. But without exception everyone I have flown with at EK is great to work with which makes me suspect these nitwits dont really work here.
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MySalami and others who enjoy india, please be sure to tell 1 billion of ya best friends just how good life is there and that they should stay where they are..... 
It has everything to do with education, training, and specific airline culture.
Yes and those traits vary with airlines, often (strangely) in direct relation to the location in the world of the particular airline. Which is operated by people of that nationality. Who are often of a particular race. Oh my god, how racist!!!
To all the flogs who are beating themselves about supposed "racism", call it whatever you want if it makes you happier. But whichever way you look at it, some people were simply not meant to ever operate machinery and they often look different to the ones who were. Just take a look at Shake Zed Rd, FF's sake.
Jeezuz, stop beating around the freakin bush about it...
I know who I'd rather have flying me and my family around and it ain't the cousins of those ace ATCOs we all know and love and deal with regularly on HF to the east of here... I couldn't give a rat's tight arse if that makes me look "racist"in your eyes.
It has everything to do with education, training, and specific airline culture.
Yes and those traits vary with airlines, often (strangely) in direct relation to the location in the world of the particular airline. Which is operated by people of that nationality. Who are often of a particular race. Oh my god, how racist!!!
To all the flogs who are beating themselves about supposed "racism", call it whatever you want if it makes you happier. But whichever way you look at it, some people were simply not meant to ever operate machinery and they often look different to the ones who were. Just take a look at Shake Zed Rd, FF's sake.
Jeezuz, stop beating around the freakin bush about it...
I know who I'd rather have flying me and my family around and it ain't the cousins of those ace ATCOs we all know and love and deal with regularly on HF to the east of here... I couldn't give a rat's tight arse if that makes me look "racist"in your eyes.
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After you sober up you will probably want to reconsider what you have posted above.
Dont forget, starting November 14 random alcohol and drug testing starts, you might want to review your FCN's
After you sober up you will probably want to reconsider what you have posted above.
Dont forget, starting November 14 random alcohol and drug testing starts, you might want to review your FCN's
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"A genius is a genius, regardless of the number of morons who belong to the same race - and a moron is a moron, regardless of the number of geniuses who share his racial origin." (Ayn Rand The Virtue of Selfishness)
Maybe we can all agree to the above and move on?....
Maybe we can all agree to the above and move on?....
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Upcoming Emirates interview
I have an interview in late December in Dubai and would like to know what to expect on the 30 question written test on the first day.
I have flown B727 B737 DC9 MD81/82/87/90 In command. No Airbus or 777 experience should i be worried. I have managed to get a hold of the DP Davis book ans a copy of the How to Prepare for the Cathey Pacific interview by the XYZ Captains is it the same content as for the Emirates interview?
i would appreciate an objective response from anyone who has reciently been thru this experience
thank you
George
I have flown B727 B737 DC9 MD81/82/87/90 In command. No Airbus or 777 experience should i be worried. I have managed to get a hold of the DP Davis book ans a copy of the How to Prepare for the Cathey Pacific interview by the XYZ Captains is it the same content as for the Emirates interview?
i would appreciate an objective response from anyone who has reciently been thru this experience
thank you
George
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Don't worry so much about the tech quizz. The questions are basic ATPL stuff + some basic EK questions if I remember correct. I did not prepare much and I passed. (unfotunately?)
Focus more on the group stuff and the sim ride. Don't try to impress them. Just be yourself.
Focus more on the group stuff and the sim ride. Don't try to impress them. Just be yourself.
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The Tech quiz was very easy ... Airplane 101 stuff.
Thats really the only thing to study for. The Sim was basic ( Visual circuit, V1 Cut back to minimums with an overshoot and a hand flown ILS to landing ). CRM games were a laugh ( remember to watch the time - very critical ) and the phych quiz was weird ( IE - Which do you like more A - A well written poem or B - A well designed gun ? WHAT THE F£$% !!! )
Just be yourself, have fun with it and relax.
Good Luck
FB519
Thats really the only thing to study for. The Sim was basic ( Visual circuit, V1 Cut back to minimums with an overshoot and a hand flown ILS to landing ). CRM games were a laugh ( remember to watch the time - very critical ) and the phych quiz was weird ( IE - Which do you like more A - A well written poem or B - A well designed gun ? WHAT THE F£$% !!! )
Just be yourself, have fun with it and relax.
Good Luck
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I went for the Gun....and here I am. BBJ is correct, be yourself in the group stuff, they can't offer you a job if they don't think they saw who you were. Th tech quiz was a while ago for me but I believe it is designed to make sure you are actually who you say you are, ie. an airline pilot.
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And I`ll be going in january to the interview
How about the medical part? Do they take an entire afternoon or is it a simple chack up? Blood tests? etc.
And does the interview process really terminate on the 3rd day? Is it safe to book a flight back right the next day, or is it better to stay an extra day, just in case if they need something more.
Cheers
How about the medical part? Do they take an entire afternoon or is it a simple chack up? Blood tests? etc.
And does the interview process really terminate on the 3rd day? Is it safe to book a flight back right the next day, or is it better to stay an extra day, just in case if they need something more.
Cheers
EK
My friend on't worry to much about the interview, word around is that EK has lowered their standart a lot......
They are taking anyone now.....
I just hope for your sake that you have some money saved up....because you won't be saving any in DXB....
Cheers
They are taking anyone now.....
I just hope for your sake that you have some money saved up....because you won't be saving any in DXB....
Cheers