Anyone actually like Emirates? (Hamster Wheel Thread)
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A380, you make very valid points.... immigration, sh1t weather, chavs et al. We are the FIRST to admit the (once) Great Britain has gone well and truly down the sh1tter!
These are but a few of the MANY reasons us 'poms' evacuated the UK in the first place, and moved to sunnier/happier climbs.
You will find that most Brits (not all), are more than happy with their decision to leave the UK and come over here which is precisely the reason why you WONT find many of us bitching and moaning, because we had the balls to make the change.
Now the Aussies on the other hand....... Good god, where do I begin? Before I arrived at EK, my impression of you guys was; relaxed, beer drinking, barbie throwing, fun loving, chilled out 'surfer dude' types.... Now I'm here to tell you how VERY misguided I was. I realise I was wrong on all counts!
Not only do you guys need a checklist and SOP for wiping your own ring piece, but you have the audacity, and the bare faced cheek to call us 'whingers' when you boys would win Olympic Gold in moaning should it ever be turned into a sport! (just ask our multi national crew their opinion, and they will confirm my observations).
Frankly, I'm fed up with hearing how good everything is in 'Aus mate', you apparently have better weather (really? A little moist in Queensland this week!!), better food, better roads, better Airlines, better women, better doctors/dentists, better Cricket/Rugby teams (yeah right)....etc etc. Well if its that bloody good, why did you leave in the first place?? If the UK was 10% as good as you say Australia is, then I'd be back there in a heart beat. So if it really is as good as all that, then quite simply why don't you bugger off back to whence you came, and take all the many thousands of smelly students working in bars in London with you!!
WK, I believe Nolimit is a Canuk, so feel free to substitute the word Aussie in the above to Canadian as all the same applies (apart from the weather of course
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Now, I realise you cannot tar everyone with the same brush, and indeed I do know (a very) few good blokes from each of the afore mentioned places, so I apologise to the good guys, the others though
BTW, easybusdriver1, I have read all of your posts and for what its worth, I cannot see any reason for your ban.... you have every right to be excited. I am assuming you are mid to late 20's and you are coming to fly here for a big pay rise and improvement in standard of living and will likely have your wide body command by the time you are mid 30's. Good luck to you mate, don't let the misery mongers get you down........ It's not all a bed of roses, but having been where you are, I can tell you from first hand experience (unlike most on here) that you are doing the right thing
Happy New Year to you and yours folks (for those who know the meaning of the word Happy!)
These are but a few of the MANY reasons us 'poms' evacuated the UK in the first place, and moved to sunnier/happier climbs.
You will find that most Brits (not all), are more than happy with their decision to leave the UK and come over here which is precisely the reason why you WONT find many of us bitching and moaning, because we had the balls to make the change.
Now the Aussies on the other hand....... Good god, where do I begin? Before I arrived at EK, my impression of you guys was; relaxed, beer drinking, barbie throwing, fun loving, chilled out 'surfer dude' types.... Now I'm here to tell you how VERY misguided I was. I realise I was wrong on all counts!
Not only do you guys need a checklist and SOP for wiping your own ring piece, but you have the audacity, and the bare faced cheek to call us 'whingers' when you boys would win Olympic Gold in moaning should it ever be turned into a sport! (just ask our multi national crew their opinion, and they will confirm my observations).
Frankly, I'm fed up with hearing how good everything is in 'Aus mate', you apparently have better weather (really? A little moist in Queensland this week!!), better food, better roads, better Airlines, better women, better doctors/dentists, better Cricket/Rugby teams (yeah right)....etc etc. Well if its that bloody good, why did you leave in the first place?? If the UK was 10% as good as you say Australia is, then I'd be back there in a heart beat. So if it really is as good as all that, then quite simply why don't you bugger off back to whence you came, and take all the many thousands of smelly students working in bars in London with you!!
WK, I believe Nolimit is a Canuk, so feel free to substitute the word Aussie in the above to Canadian as all the same applies (apart from the weather of course
).Now, I realise you cannot tar everyone with the same brush, and indeed I do know (a very) few good blokes from each of the afore mentioned places, so I apologise to the good guys, the others though
BTW, easybusdriver1, I have read all of your posts and for what its worth, I cannot see any reason for your ban.... you have every right to be excited. I am assuming you are mid to late 20's and you are coming to fly here for a big pay rise and improvement in standard of living and will likely have your wide body command by the time you are mid 30's. Good luck to you mate, don't let the misery mongers get you down........ It's not all a bed of roses, but having been where you are, I can tell you from first hand experience (unlike most on here) that you are doing the right thing
Happy New Year to you and yours folks (for those who know the meaning of the word Happy!)
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"better food, better roads, better Airlines, better women, better doctors/dentists, better Cricket/Rugby teams"
it's all true, unfortunately that the aussies cant wipe their ring without a checklist is true too, if you give an aussie a uniform he becomes anal and that even includes the postman, but besides that I love oz.
@easy
if you come from the english subcontinent than dubai might be good for you, if you come from the civilized world dont move here
it's all true, unfortunately that the aussies cant wipe their ring without a checklist is true too, if you give an aussie a uniform he becomes anal and that even includes the postman, but besides that I love oz.
@easy
if you come from the english subcontinent than dubai might be good for you, if you come from the civilized world dont move here
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Oblaaspop,
Since you're feeling frisky about airing the laundry, here's the thing that rings false about your little rant.
You like to fancy yourself as having "balls" in leaving the UK because it has, as you eloquently put it, gone "down the ****ter".
When the reality is, you DIDN'T have the ability or balls to actually stand and fight to "make the changes" to the things you bemoan in your home country. So like over 100,000 others stampeded out to feed, and feed off of, a developing, oppressive regime. Hardly the image of courage. Hopping on a flight for eight hours to take some tax-free money. But don't worry, that government back in the "****ter" is still looking out for you even as you tell yourself how happy you are!
Britain Forms Plan for Gulf Evacuation
I think you'll find most Canadians came to Dubai out of economic necessity due to a small and unstable aviation sector at home. Not because they felt the entire country was a write-off. We don't see ourselves as grandiose pioneers, we're just trying to make a living out of necessity, in frankly, a pretty awful place, now matter how you whitewash it. (It's "Canuck", by the way, with a "c"...and people say the Yanks are ignorant!) You won't find Canadians bragging about their country, because the truth is, we don't want more people to know the secret and trying to immigrate, otherwise we'd become just like the UK...lol (Not that it isn't happening anyway...)
Happy New Year to all my PPrune buddies who observe the "Gregorian Calendar" as those ass-licking managers on the portal call it!
Since you're feeling frisky about airing the laundry, here's the thing that rings false about your little rant.
You like to fancy yourself as having "balls" in leaving the UK because it has, as you eloquently put it, gone "down the ****ter".
When the reality is, you DIDN'T have the ability or balls to actually stand and fight to "make the changes" to the things you bemoan in your home country. So like over 100,000 others stampeded out to feed, and feed off of, a developing, oppressive regime. Hardly the image of courage. Hopping on a flight for eight hours to take some tax-free money. But don't worry, that government back in the "****ter" is still looking out for you even as you tell yourself how happy you are!
Britain Forms Plan for Gulf Evacuation
I think you'll find most Canadians came to Dubai out of economic necessity due to a small and unstable aviation sector at home. Not because they felt the entire country was a write-off. We don't see ourselves as grandiose pioneers, we're just trying to make a living out of necessity, in frankly, a pretty awful place, now matter how you whitewash it. (It's "Canuck", by the way, with a "c"...and people say the Yanks are ignorant!) You won't find Canadians bragging about their country, because the truth is, we don't want more people to know the secret and trying to immigrate, otherwise we'd become just like the UK...lol (Not that it isn't happening anyway...)
Happy New Year to all my PPrune buddies who observe the "Gregorian Calendar" as those ass-licking managers on the portal call it!
Seems like a lot of posts from those with big watches and small minds here lately. Anyone got a key to lock this thread?
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Aussies right, unlike their pomy cousins that decided to take it up the backside and volunteer to be cabin crew at BA, they have stood up and have had their say on numerous occasions.
As for Joe... He is a legend and I have nothing but the highest regard for him and hope you have contributed to his legal fund as I have.
Now, can we move on please.
When the reality is, you DIDN'T have the ability or balls to actually stand and fight to "make the changes" to the things you bemoan in your home country. So like over 100,000 others stampeded out to feed, and feed off of, a developing, oppressive regime. Hardly the image of courage. Hopping on a flight for eight hours to take some tax-free money.
Where is it you live and work again NLH? And what are the excuses you trot out when asked why you express sentiments like this, but choose to stay??
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Indeed Nolimit you are correct, I didn't have the balls, time or inclination to stand up and be counted back home, because (as you well know with your useless Government), it really makes c0ck all difference who you vote for or lobby, because as a law abiding, middle class, high tax bracket paying citizen, you get treated like sh1t and get put behind Albanian Asylum seekers on your GP's waiting list!
As a (politically incorrect) British comedian once said "I'd rather be a foreigner in someone elses country than my own, so I moved to Dubai"...... thanks Jim Davidson!
So basically, instead of sitting around moaning about how cr@p everything is and woe is me, I did the sensible thing and moved my family here for a better life. And do you know what, 7 years on we're truly glad we did....... It's worked out for us at least. Sorry if that little nugget doesn't sit well with the harbingers of doom that frequent this forum, but that's the way it is from my standpoint (and no I'm not 'management', just a regular line shag!).
Back then to my original point, you clearly admit that the Aviation industry is f@cked in Canada and you came here to be better off in a better job....... So my question remains: WHAT THE F@CK IS ALL THE MOANING ABOUT?????
BTW Sorry for missing out the 'C' in Canuck. I was saving the C for U Next Tuesday
As a (politically incorrect) British comedian once said "I'd rather be a foreigner in someone elses country than my own, so I moved to Dubai"...... thanks Jim Davidson!
So basically, instead of sitting around moaning about how cr@p everything is and woe is me, I did the sensible thing and moved my family here for a better life. And do you know what, 7 years on we're truly glad we did....... It's worked out for us at least. Sorry if that little nugget doesn't sit well with the harbingers of doom that frequent this forum, but that's the way it is from my standpoint (and no I'm not 'management', just a regular line shag!).
Back then to my original point, you clearly admit that the Aviation industry is f@cked in Canada and you came here to be better off in a better job....... So my question remains: WHAT THE F@CK IS ALL THE MOANING ABOUT?????
BTW Sorry for missing out the 'C' in Canuck. I was saving the C for U Next Tuesday
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Nope, no excuses or apologies laddies! I regret believing the lies told and fully take responsibility for the wrong decisions I've made in life. But as it turns out, "better" job is a loaded term...EK was just the first one to offer employ, it was never a goal to escape the "misery" of life in my home country! lol
But my point was that paying the bills isn't some noble endeavour as Oblaspoop tries to paint it, it's just simple pragmatism. Depends on your definition of better I suppose. But by his definition, I guess I'm sensible and brave. Who knew. I thought I was just grabbing some cash and trying to bag as many cabin crew as I could, biding my time till I could put Dubai in the rearview mirror forever. Good thing I have these folk to set me straight!
Hey Wiz, when I choose to leave, THEN am I allowed to express that I think the place is ****? Just wondering. Seems like right now is the best time to give an informed perspective.
To answer the original poster's question, the title of the thread.....
No.
But my point was that paying the bills isn't some noble endeavour as Oblaspoop tries to paint it, it's just simple pragmatism. Depends on your definition of better I suppose. But by his definition, I guess I'm sensible and brave. Who knew. I thought I was just grabbing some cash and trying to bag as many cabin crew as I could, biding my time till I could put Dubai in the rearview mirror forever. Good thing I have these folk to set me straight!
Hey Wiz, when I choose to leave, THEN am I allowed to express that I think the place is ****? Just wondering. Seems like right now is the best time to give an informed perspective.
To answer the original poster's question, the title of the thread.....
No.
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Originally Posted by nolimitholdem
You won't find Canadians bragging about their country
Freezing sh1th0le............. Full of jinglies. Just like my countryBut then again; my forefathers ran an Empire
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When are you not allowed to express the truth? We all know the truth is suppressed in Dubai and the only news to come out of the sand is good news.
Some of us bought the lies and moved to Dubai. Most are at the very least reassessing their options and looking elswhere. That does not mean they want to leave or even going to leave but on a 3 day interview in IST I counted 17 EK pilots. That does not mean all 17 Ek pilots are going to leave EK just looking at their options.
Keep recovering and believing their lies.
Some of us bought the lies and moved to Dubai. Most are at the very least reassessing their options and looking elswhere. That does not mean they want to leave or even going to leave but on a 3 day interview in IST I counted 17 EK pilots. That does not mean all 17 Ek pilots are going to leave EK just looking at their options.
Keep recovering and believing their lies.
Hey Wiz, when I choose to leave, THEN am I allowed to express that I think the place is ****? Just wondering. Seems like right now is the best time to give an informed perspective.
The problem is you seem to take it as a personal affront if anyone dis-agrees with you or points out factual errors in what you right.
But make personal attacks on people? What you wrote to Ob was just, plain, hysterical nonsense. "Have to balls to fight for change", when he did EXACTLY the same thing you did- leave to come to what he hoped was a better situation. The difference, obviously, being that he was able to asses things and make a decision that worked for him, you weren't.
How much "Fighting for change"dd you do prior to "Flying 8 hours (well, 14) for a tax-free salary"?
And then, of course, when out of proper arguments, you have to start denigrating peoples Nationality. Irrelevant and insulting.
Good luck with your "Bagging Cabin Crew"- I see your respect for Women is on par with your respect for fellow pilots who have the audacity to not be as miserable as you....
Well said Wiz! 
I have lived in better places, I have lived in worse places. I will leave when I am in a position to do so as there is, after all, no place like home. But wherever you are is whatever you choose to make it. Remember the bucket analagy, and that we are all volunteers (mercenarys) here.
I have lived in better places, I have lived in worse places. I will leave when I am in a position to do so as there is, after all, no place like home. But wherever you are is whatever you choose to make it. Remember the bucket analagy, and that we are all volunteers (mercenarys) here.
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My "connections" continued to work as pilots.
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Look guys, this is all getting a bit silly!
In answer to the original posters question, some of us do like it here and are happy despite the fact we are working our arses off and the company is on a 'take' cycle rather like a one armed bandit in Vegas! At some point it will HAVE to start giving back or guys will simply move on to one that is on a 'give' cycle. Supply and demand chaps!
Like many, I didn't come here to join EK, I came here to get out of my home country and ludicrous taxation, I did a hell of a lot of research, came with my eyes wide open and CRUCIALLY had a LONG TERM plan to stay. If you are coming here just to 'dip your toe' for a couple of years, then I hate to say it but you will absolutely hate it and you will look for every single reason to leave and the weak willed will find many. If however you put 110% effort into making this your home and your new life, then there are many positives.
On the other hand there are several guys who don't like it here, some for good reason eg. F/O from RJ's who joined over 2 years ago and who have been stuffed with the change in upgrade policy for instance, and then there are some who probably wouldn't be happy wherever they were and vent their spleen on a public forum with the veil of providing a 'public service' to prospective new joiners. The problem I have with the latter is that VERY RARELY do they actually come up with hard facts, evidence or reasons for their discontent, rather they just continually recycle the same old posts stating how cr@p everything is here (Check out Sheikmyarse's posts as a case-in-point).
There are several problems and issues at EK that guys do need to be made aware of eg. Fatigue is a major issue, screwing around with the overtime thresholds, upgrade policy and stable projectable career progression, lack of 3% yearly increment for past 2 years, the spectre of being charged a proportion of DEWA charges, lack of a union etc etc.
These are all issues that compound miserable ones beliefs that everything is sh1t here and the company is out to get you.
To ask if anyone is happy at EK on Pprune is a bit of a silly question really because as you can see, there are probably 10 (maximum 20) people who post regularly here which is less than 1% of the EK pilot workforce..... Hardly representative now is it????
Be prepared now for several of these miseries to state as fact that EVERYONE they fly with hates it here and wants to get out ASAP. I on the other hand disagree, the VAST majority of guys I fly with (although knackered) actually like it here.
Now, who are you gonna believe?
In answer to the original posters question, some of us do like it here and are happy despite the fact we are working our arses off and the company is on a 'take' cycle rather like a one armed bandit in Vegas! At some point it will HAVE to start giving back or guys will simply move on to one that is on a 'give' cycle. Supply and demand chaps!
Like many, I didn't come here to join EK, I came here to get out of my home country and ludicrous taxation, I did a hell of a lot of research, came with my eyes wide open and CRUCIALLY had a LONG TERM plan to stay. If you are coming here just to 'dip your toe' for a couple of years, then I hate to say it but you will absolutely hate it and you will look for every single reason to leave and the weak willed will find many. If however you put 110% effort into making this your home and your new life, then there are many positives.
On the other hand there are several guys who don't like it here, some for good reason eg. F/O from RJ's who joined over 2 years ago and who have been stuffed with the change in upgrade policy for instance, and then there are some who probably wouldn't be happy wherever they were and vent their spleen on a public forum with the veil of providing a 'public service' to prospective new joiners. The problem I have with the latter is that VERY RARELY do they actually come up with hard facts, evidence or reasons for their discontent, rather they just continually recycle the same old posts stating how cr@p everything is here (Check out Sheikmyarse's posts as a case-in-point).
There are several problems and issues at EK that guys do need to be made aware of eg. Fatigue is a major issue, screwing around with the overtime thresholds, upgrade policy and stable projectable career progression, lack of 3% yearly increment for past 2 years, the spectre of being charged a proportion of DEWA charges, lack of a union etc etc.
These are all issues that compound miserable ones beliefs that everything is sh1t here and the company is out to get you.
To ask if anyone is happy at EK on Pprune is a bit of a silly question really because as you can see, there are probably 10 (maximum 20) people who post regularly here which is less than 1% of the EK pilot workforce..... Hardly representative now is it????
Be prepared now for several of these miseries to state as fact that EVERYONE they fly with hates it here and wants to get out ASAP. I on the other hand disagree, the VAST majority of guys I fly with (although knackered) actually like it here.
Now, who are you gonna believe?
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If I'll come out with hard facts on the consequences that I endured for leaving a stable job home to join Ek you will understand why I'm so bitter. May be one day I will and you'll be amazed, trust me.
I had the privilege of touching with my hands the real nature of this organization.
Arrogant, mercyless, unsensitive, unaccountable.
Beware of what you say, write, keep you opinions for your self, don't trust anybody, humble and waive and you'll be fine?
No thanks.
I'm not just a labourer with a better pay and a different uniform.
I tried very hard to make of Dubai my house but the lack of basic rights and the amount of nonsense just makes it impossible for individuals with little of self respect and with no price tag hanging from their neck.
A the end what we live for?
I had the privilege of touching with my hands the real nature of this organization.
Arrogant, mercyless, unsensitive, unaccountable.
Beware of what you say, write, keep you opinions for your self, don't trust anybody, humble and waive and you'll be fine?
No thanks.
I'm not just a labourer with a better pay and a different uniform.
I tried very hard to make of Dubai my house but the lack of basic rights and the amount of nonsense just makes it impossible for individuals with little of self respect and with no price tag hanging from their neck.
A the end what we live for?