Anyone actually like Emirates? (Hamster Wheel Thread)
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Do you think I care, Schibulsky?
Do you mean I should not expose Mr White Supremacy for what he is? Thing is, when people like him gets booted from his land of milk and honey and are forced to work for the very people they, let say, think are slightly below themselves, do you expect them to post anything positive about their new lives and their new company?
Personally, I think there are quite a few like him in the ME and on this board.
Do you mean I should not expose Mr White Supremacy for what he is? Thing is, when people like him gets booted from his land of milk and honey and are forced to work for the very people they, let say, think are slightly below themselves, do you expect them to post anything positive about their new lives and their new company?
Personally, I think there are quite a few like him in the ME and on this board.
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Well Mana the management. What was the comment you made about Michigan?
I did not get booted from the land of milk and honey. That land would be the land of Isreal by the way. I am sure you are very familiar with Isreal after they have kick countries like yours only 5 times in 50 years.
I left on my own after listening to the lies told to me my this corrupt management we have at Emirates. I wish there was a decent and honest forum on pprune at the time to expose the lies but there was not at the time. Most guys were pretty happy at the time and the Americans had not started to come at that time to get the real assesement. I wish I could go back but too late now. I fell for it.
That is one of the reasons I tell everyone out there about the lies, corruption and theft perpertrated by the management and the management wantabies. I do bitch because I am upset about the lies and how I fell for it.
As I said before if there is anyting that is not the truth please let me know. The way they act here is just hypercritical. They are so racist but when one points out the inequities here you are the one deamed racist. You are talking about a 3rd world police state that institutionalizes racism. There are no rules and they do whatever they want, contract be dammed. Who would not be racist after spending even a month in the sand.
I have applied to other airlines Wiz the DEC but you see I have no PIC time and I am not prepared to jump the senority list. Rest assured I will not be a long termer here which you will quite happy about.
I did not get booted from the land of milk and honey. That land would be the land of Isreal by the way. I am sure you are very familiar with Isreal after they have kick countries like yours only 5 times in 50 years.
I left on my own after listening to the lies told to me my this corrupt management we have at Emirates. I wish there was a decent and honest forum on pprune at the time to expose the lies but there was not at the time. Most guys were pretty happy at the time and the Americans had not started to come at that time to get the real assesement. I wish I could go back but too late now. I fell for it.
That is one of the reasons I tell everyone out there about the lies, corruption and theft perpertrated by the management and the management wantabies. I do bitch because I am upset about the lies and how I fell for it.
As I said before if there is anyting that is not the truth please let me know. The way they act here is just hypercritical. They are so racist but when one points out the inequities here you are the one deamed racist. You are talking about a 3rd world police state that institutionalizes racism. There are no rules and they do whatever they want, contract be dammed. Who would not be racist after spending even a month in the sand.
I have applied to other airlines Wiz the DEC but you see I have no PIC time and I am not prepared to jump the senority list. Rest assured I will not be a long termer here which you will quite happy about.
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hi sig, I am an american and I cannot recommend you coming here especially because you have an offer from a US carrier. If you were
out of a job that is one thing but... after much reflection and time past,
I have realized that I have left the best country in the world in my opinion and and am now working hard to get back under some type of reasonable pay level. Most americans can never truly appreciate our home until after we have left. Just my 2 cents, take it for what it is worth. I lurk on this site all the time but rarely post, I just feel obligated to give you my 2 cents since you requested it and I am really feeling quite wistful about my homeland during another holiday spent far far away.
after a few years here you will get over the widebody international thing and then this will just become another job in a place which can be tough to live in at times. merry christmas and happy new year.
out of a job that is one thing but... after much reflection and time past,
I have realized that I have left the best country in the world in my opinion and and am now working hard to get back under some type of reasonable pay level. Most americans can never truly appreciate our home until after we have left. Just my 2 cents, take it for what it is worth. I lurk on this site all the time but rarely post, I just feel obligated to give you my 2 cents since you requested it and I am really feeling quite wistful about my homeland during another holiday spent far far away.
after a few years here you will get over the widebody international thing and then this will just become another job in a place which can be tough to live in at times. merry christmas and happy new year.
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Hi,
First of all I think we need to clarify what is your happiness all about.
1. Is it to work in your country, even if that means working on a small airline with few layovers?
2. Is your happiness boosted according to your bank account?
3. Are you, as a pilot, happy with flying narrow body aircrafts the rest of your life? Or you just don't give a damn about the aircraft you are flying?
We are all different... and what is good for me could be bad for anyone else... What you might find happy... could be boring for me...
The human being is never 100% satisfied.
Good luck!
First of all I think we need to clarify what is your happiness all about.
1. Is it to work in your country, even if that means working on a small airline with few layovers?
2. Is your happiness boosted according to your bank account?
3. Are you, as a pilot, happy with flying narrow body aircrafts the rest of your life? Or you just don't give a damn about the aircraft you are flying?
We are all different... and what is good for me could be bad for anyone else... What you might find happy... could be boring for me...
The human being is never 100% satisfied.
Good luck!
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Anyone happy at EK???, you ask?
Dont know, you'd have to ask the 2450 pilots who dont bother drivelling on about the place on pprune...too busy living their lives, raising kids, drinking beer and moving on when something better comes up...
Cant quite figure out why you would pay attention to the suiciders on here...they've been saying the same thing for years, yet they dont have the talent or courage to leave..because the yellowbrick rd..well enough said
But one thing that legitimately no-one will forgive or forget...is the raising of the over-time threshold,,,it was and is a huge pay-cut, literally 5000-15000dhs in pay per month that we all signed for in our contract - In one email it was taken,,,..and yet in this time of record profits continues to be denied. It provokes much anger on anonymous web blogs and rightly so.....but
Ek is still one of the jobs in aviation that ticks a lot of boxes, Picking the wife and kids up and coming here is momentous, electing to do it again and go back because of anger is another....
here for the long (ish) haul
f.
Dont know, you'd have to ask the 2450 pilots who dont bother drivelling on about the place on pprune...too busy living their lives, raising kids, drinking beer and moving on when something better comes up...
Cant quite figure out why you would pay attention to the suiciders on here...they've been saying the same thing for years, yet they dont have the talent or courage to leave..because the yellowbrick rd..well enough said
But one thing that legitimately no-one will forgive or forget...is the raising of the over-time threshold,,,it was and is a huge pay-cut, literally 5000-15000dhs in pay per month that we all signed for in our contract - In one email it was taken,,,..and yet in this time of record profits continues to be denied. It provokes much anger on anonymous web blogs and rightly so.....but
Ek is still one of the jobs in aviation that ticks a lot of boxes, Picking the wife and kids up and coming here is momentous, electing to do it again and go back because of anger is another....
here for the long (ish) haul
f.
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We like it here.
No income tax (pick this one apart- go ahead), free accommodation, (almost free utilities), no expenses for changing seasons (car, clothes, house).
Some travel benifits, kid's education almost all covered. Reasonable medical coverage.
Cheap cars, weather is nice the better part of the year.
It could be worse in other places and/ or with other companies.
It's all good- once you push...
I'm just so f'n tired.
'Nuff said.
T
No income tax (pick this one apart- go ahead), free accommodation, (almost free utilities), no expenses for changing seasons (car, clothes, house).
Some travel benifits, kid's education almost all covered. Reasonable medical coverage.
Cheap cars, weather is nice the better part of the year.
It could be worse in other places and/ or with other companies.
It's all good- once you push...
I'm just so f'n tired.
'Nuff said.
T
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I do like how these "someone tell me EK is ok so I wont feel too bad about deciding to join even after reading all the bad stuff" threads.
If you think you can survive 10yrs in the right seat, while raising a family in Dubai, welcome aboard. If you don't, you need to be thinking about somewhere else. If you get the left seat any earlier its a bonus. Its that easy really.
If you think you can survive 10yrs in the right seat, while raising a family in Dubai, welcome aboard. If you don't, you need to be thinking about somewhere else. If you get the left seat any earlier its a bonus. Its that easy really.
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The biggest thing that will kill you is just plain old fatigue. The money or toys or so-called "job security" (don't 
up now sonny!), none of it matters when you're Just. Plain. Tired. All the time. You will quite literally be selling yourself physically, every bit as much as the two-bit whores at Rattlesnakes. Even the happy-clappy multi-year apologists have to admit it has changed radically over the last 2 years. The recovery time between flights just isn't there.
Even on the 380...does anyone really think they will enjoy their rosters the way they are forever? Not when the greedy little pricks who run the show have seen how they were able to use the Global Economic Crisis as an excuse to screw their employees as hard as they could for massive profits. If anyone thinks they're trying to bring the 777/330/340 rosters to the point the 380 rosters are, and not the other way around, they are seriously deluded.
The other factor being, you will not know what it's like living in a place where the overall system is run by one that promotes hate, that tries to divide all humanity into two classes, "brothers" and unbelievers. If that sort of thing appeals to you and you really think that the accumulation of a little bit of wealth is the end-all, be-all perhaps you will enjoy it.
up now sonny!), none of it matters when you're Just. Plain. Tired. All the time. You will quite literally be selling yourself physically, every bit as much as the two-bit whores at Rattlesnakes. Even the happy-clappy multi-year apologists have to admit it has changed radically over the last 2 years. The recovery time between flights just isn't there.Even on the 380...does anyone really think they will enjoy their rosters the way they are forever? Not when the greedy little pricks who run the show have seen how they were able to use the Global Economic Crisis as an excuse to screw their employees as hard as they could for massive profits. If anyone thinks they're trying to bring the 777/330/340 rosters to the point the 380 rosters are, and not the other way around, they are seriously deluded.
The other factor being, you will not know what it's like living in a place where the overall system is run by one that promotes hate, that tries to divide all humanity into two classes, "brothers" and unbelievers. If that sort of thing appeals to you and you really think that the accumulation of a little bit of wealth is the end-all, be-all perhaps you will enjoy it.
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I came to EK with the plan to do around 5 years...and after 2 years the bucket for the brown stuff was full! 
As a single guy I actually enjoyed the first year...but after I did all the things (desert tours, Oman, Rugby7's, golf, beaching etc.) it became boring and I ended up boozing more than I should. And on top of that I couldn't take any more sh!t from the management and the hypocrites in charge of that sandy s...hole.
I know just a few guys who can cope and live a happy life...the rest are simply there to make some money and plan to get out as soon as they find just something else....
The most important lesson I learned: It's all about quality of life.
Good luck!!
As a single guy I actually enjoyed the first year...but after I did all the things (desert tours, Oman, Rugby7's, golf, beaching etc.) it became boring and I ended up boozing more than I should. And on top of that I couldn't take any more sh!t from the management and the hypocrites in charge of that sandy s...hole.
I know just a few guys who can cope and live a happy life...the rest are simply there to make some money and plan to get out as soon as they find just something else....
The most important lesson I learned: It's all about quality of life.
Good luck!!
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It was not a personal message, it was a personal insult, and one that speaks volumes about the person who sent it. On a positive, he did not do it again, the next PM was a minor f@rt in the wind compare to the first.
I have no intentions of protecting people who insult me. If you want to say something to me, go right ahead, but have the b@lls to do it out in the open.
I have no intentions of protecting people who insult me. If you want to say something to me, go right ahead, but have the b@lls to do it out in the open.
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And I got this personal insult
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new tomcat: Meow your sorry ar$e out of this dark alley, or your ear will get clipped.
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By your comments on PPRuNe you act and think like a Canadian. Your comment to leave if you dont like it makes me think you are an Arab.
That is a dangerous mix of nationalities. Stop acting like both and you will be a better person and not such a wimpy dip ****e.
Tom
By your comments on PPRuNe you act and think like a Canadian. Your comment to leave if you dont like it makes me think you are an Arab.
That is a dangerous mix of nationalities. Stop acting like both and you will be a better person and not such a wimpy dip ****e.
Tom
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Sand S@#$%tty Hole
I WORKED IN THERE FOR 3 YEARS AND THANKS GOD I FOUND SOMETHING BETTER.....
Sig,
I dont know your exact situation but let me tell you my experience....
I am a graduate from ERAU and i live in 3rd world country so called in south america..... and my view to the point is not how much money you can make in the sandpit but how long can you survive in there.....
its true in the first and second years are nice, enjoying the tax free stuff..... but what about the next step???? (becoming capt)
if you can cope with all the crap given from the mgnt and just turn a blind eye on a professional maner....(that´s a lil silly to say) go ahead, but just don´t expect them to honor their contract because they won´t and thats 100% real .... you can ask the 2450 pilot in the company and if anyone tells you that they never had at least 1 item change in their contract changed .. this person is a local for sure......
You are the one whom to decide you future despite all the negative stuff writen here.... i was there for 3 years and thanks god the industry in my country is booming like never before!!! so e came back .... there is no perfect company. Ek is a horrible airline to work if you can´t cope with all the items above listed by the other´s... I couldnt so I got out and found myself a lot happier in my country making a lil lower salary yes is true...but i fly a lot less than ek .... (and i was in the 777 hoster....a lil better the ab just coz we bitch a lil more to mgt) but above all
it´s MY COUNTRY!!!!! and there is no idiot arab saying if you dont like dont come here or all the unreal sh#$t you´ll get living in there .. i just cant say what it is... you have to live in there to know .... its just very disorganized place with no fair laws... its just my opinion having that I am a western with a similar knowledge of what is to be a f/0 in ek since that i havent seeing any one who actually left the airline write in here...
this guy has the best and most accurate opinion and discretion of all a747jb
Grate job 747!!!
judge as he say and you will do just fine!!!
sorry if I couldnt describe my feelings in a very polite way!!!!
Good luck in you jorney!!!!!
Sig,
I dont know your exact situation but let me tell you my experience....
I am a graduate from ERAU and i live in 3rd world country so called in south america..... and my view to the point is not how much money you can make in the sandpit but how long can you survive in there.....
its true in the first and second years are nice, enjoying the tax free stuff..... but what about the next step???? (becoming capt)
if you can cope with all the crap given from the mgnt and just turn a blind eye on a professional maner....(that´s a lil silly to say) go ahead, but just don´t expect them to honor their contract because they won´t and thats 100% real .... you can ask the 2450 pilot in the company and if anyone tells you that they never had at least 1 item change in their contract changed .. this person is a local for sure......
You are the one whom to decide you future despite all the negative stuff writen here.... i was there for 3 years and thanks god the industry in my country is booming like never before!!! so e came back .... there is no perfect company. Ek is a horrible airline to work if you can´t cope with all the items above listed by the other´s... I couldnt so I got out and found myself a lot happier in my country making a lil lower salary yes is true...but i fly a lot less than ek .... (and i was in the 777 hoster....a lil better the ab just coz we bitch a lil more to mgt) but above all
it´s MY COUNTRY!!!!! and there is no idiot arab saying if you dont like dont come here or all the unreal sh#$t you´ll get living in there .. i just cant say what it is... you have to live in there to know .... its just very disorganized place with no fair laws... its just my opinion having that I am a western with a similar knowledge of what is to be a f/0 in ek since that i havent seeing any one who actually left the airline write in here...
this guy has the best and most accurate opinion and discretion of all a747jb
Grate job 747!!!judge as he say and you will do just fine!!!
sorry if I couldnt describe my feelings in a very polite way!!!!
Good luck in you jorney!!!!!
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I'm not at EK but work in the UAE and have to say that the advice to "come here with your eyes open" and "work out what you want from the job" is absolutely spot on.
I'm here because a) I wanted to earn more money than was available to me in the UK and b) see answer a)! The UAE is not a democracy and some of the rules seem pretty odd to a westerner but the standard of living is good, we have the freedom to buy beer and bacon, crime is practically non-existant and areas such as schools and healthcare etc are pretty good (I speak as someone married to a teacher and who recently had his life saved by a first class surgeon on Abu Dhabi).
It will drive you mad at times and at other times you will look around you and say "I'm glad I'm here" - but then there is a strong chance that your home country will do the same to you.
Overall I'm glad I'm here but then I'm in Al Ain which (in my opinion) is a better place for someone with a family than Dubai. If I was single, I would want to live in Dubai!
I'm here because a) I wanted to earn more money than was available to me in the UK and b) see answer a)! The UAE is not a democracy and some of the rules seem pretty odd to a westerner but the standard of living is good, we have the freedom to buy beer and bacon, crime is practically non-existant and areas such as schools and healthcare etc are pretty good (I speak as someone married to a teacher and who recently had his life saved by a first class surgeon on Abu Dhabi).
It will drive you mad at times and at other times you will look around you and say "I'm glad I'm here" - but then there is a strong chance that your home country will do the same to you.
Overall I'm glad I'm here but then I'm in Al Ain which (in my opinion) is a better place for someone with a family than Dubai. If I was single, I would want to live in Dubai!
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Thank you everyone for the words of advice and insight to life over there. Its still the biggest decision of my career and of course will make the best decision for me. I am waiting on a final outcome from the other US company and will make a decision then. If they say no then they will make my decision for me. I hope everyone have a wonderful New Year.
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"and there is no idiot local saying if you dont like dont come here"
^^I have to ask, you go anywhere you'll have that said to you. Be it the UAE, the US, Canada...wherever. So really, to say that is a bit pointless.
What one person considers to be happiness, is not what another would agree with. I am not a pilot, so maybe I am in no position to comment...but as someone that has traveled the world, lived in multiple countries for several years at a time...happiness really depends on where you come from as well, and the lifestyle you are used to. Take a 3rd world country in Asia, or a developing nation in South America...life in the UAE might just be worth it, there are those few advantages that simply outweigh the disadvantages. Now let's say you live in the U.S. or another western country...well the disadvantages such as "no freedom", questionable laws, and being treated like a second class citizen...you're just not going to like it there.
Personally, I think it just depends on where you come from and the lifestyle you're used to. I often find that those coming from developing nations would appreciate life in the UAE more, whereas those coming from westernized nations often tend to struggle or not like it as much...for obvious reasons. However, Dubai is still very multicultural and you get to see it from many different points of view. To each their own, and I hope the choice you make is the right one for yourself.
^^I have to ask, you go anywhere you'll have that said to you. Be it the UAE, the US, Canada...wherever. So really, to say that is a bit pointless.
What one person considers to be happiness, is not what another would agree with. I am not a pilot, so maybe I am in no position to comment...but as someone that has traveled the world, lived in multiple countries for several years at a time...happiness really depends on where you come from as well, and the lifestyle you are used to. Take a 3rd world country in Asia, or a developing nation in South America...life in the UAE might just be worth it, there are those few advantages that simply outweigh the disadvantages. Now let's say you live in the U.S. or another western country...well the disadvantages such as "no freedom", questionable laws, and being treated like a second class citizen...you're just not going to like it there.
Personally, I think it just depends on where you come from and the lifestyle you're used to. I often find that those coming from developing nations would appreciate life in the UAE more, whereas those coming from westernized nations often tend to struggle or not like it as much...for obvious reasons. However, Dubai is still very multicultural and you get to see it from many different points of view. To each their own, and I hope the choice you make is the right one for yourself.
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Some of you guys really need to get a grip, I mean seriously..get a grip..life..etc.
Yeah this place can be tiring, particularly if you are on the 330 at the moment, all those night turns are tough..then again my father in-law is a truck driver who works nights, and he seems to manage reasonably well.
As for half the other feckwits who moan, well most of the ones I've met it seems to be mostly self inflicted.
As an example, I did a JFK recently with a couple of septics, both who were negative in the extreme, all thanks to wanting to commute from the good 'ole' USA and hence were constantly backwards and forwards...and so were constantly knackered.
This place is what you make of it, my wife and kids love it..they head off to the homeland during the summer break..and have a bloody nice life.
I dont give 2 sh1ts about the dumb-ass rules that seem to cause some grief here..simply because I avoid most situations that can put myself or the family into a predicament.....
Life is easy here..the job is easy, just as long as you are prepared to swim with the current..and not get all self righteous and indignant because YOU think YOU know better than the locals
Yeah this place can be tiring, particularly if you are on the 330 at the moment, all those night turns are tough..then again my father in-law is a truck driver who works nights, and he seems to manage reasonably well.
As for half the other feckwits who moan, well most of the ones I've met it seems to be mostly self inflicted.
As an example, I did a JFK recently with a couple of septics, both who were negative in the extreme, all thanks to wanting to commute from the good 'ole' USA and hence were constantly backwards and forwards...and so were constantly knackered.
This place is what you make of it, my wife and kids love it..they head off to the homeland during the summer break..and have a bloody nice life.
I dont give 2 sh1ts about the dumb-ass rules that seem to cause some grief here..simply because I avoid most situations that can put myself or the family into a predicament.....
Life is easy here..the job is easy, just as long as you are prepared to swim with the current..and not get all self righteous and indignant because YOU think YOU know better than the locals
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Speaking as ‘self loading freight’ Emirates is a great airline to fly with. We fly the ATH-DXB-JNB route with them once or twice a year. I had an opportunity to work in the Middle East 16 years ago. Having operated through there many times I decided that the managerial philosophy was not for me. It says at lot for the professionalism of the crews that there is no obvious dissension in the ranks. Given the mindset of the management and the cultural differences to the West managing any change is going to be a very big uphill struggle. Please try to maintain your exceptional standards over there. One presumes the flight deck door is now locked so the drivers can snooze in peace.
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