Saudia
Joined: May 2004
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From: canada
So, not including the A330, and taking into account the fleet reductions, a net increase of 21 fins? Is that math correct?
Joined: Sep 2004
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From: USA
Pilot recruitment Access
Gentlemen,
I'm having trouble to get access to my profile on the recruitment website in order to complete my application. Did try to reset the password still not working.
What is the phone number to call or the email address to resolve the issue ?
Your help is appreciated
I'm having trouble to get access to my profile on the recruitment website in order to complete my application. Did try to reset the password still not working.
What is the phone number to call or the email address to resolve the issue ?
Your help is appreciated
Joined: Aug 1998
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From: ...second left, past the lights.
Relax, they will.
There'll be more than enough flying if you have a look at the Winter schedule... many increases in rotations, which only means shorter layovers.
Pity they're trying to grow with some poor fleet decisions (B787 "regionals" and A33R with no ETOPS etc etc) and so many people not passing or even showing up now.
Happy Landings
There'll be more than enough flying if you have a look at the Winter schedule... many increases in rotations, which only means shorter layovers.
Pity they're trying to grow with some poor fleet decisions (B787 "regionals" and A33R with no ETOPS etc etc) and so many people not passing or even showing up now.
Happy Landings
Joined: Mar 2005
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From: Tropopause FL350
Relax, they will.
There'll be more than enough flying if you have a look at the Winter schedule... many increases in rotations, which only means shorter layovers.
Pity they're trying to grow with some poor fleet decisions (B787 "regionals" and A33R with no ETOPS etc etc) and so many people not passing or even showing up now.
Happy Landings
There'll be more than enough flying if you have a look at the Winter schedule... many increases in rotations, which only means shorter layovers.
Pity they're trying to grow with some poor fleet decisions (B787 "regionals" and A33R with no ETOPS etc etc) and so many people not passing or even showing up now.
Happy Landings
Joined: Aug 1998
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From: ...second left, past the lights.
Yes I'm aware of the "reasoning" behind the A33R Alloha, in that it gave them immediate access to wide body Airbuses (huge queue for them) to put on the local and regional routes, in replacement of older B772's but that's why no one else has bought them... you don't spend big $$ on buying a wide body aircraft limiting yourself to its future useage/routes and the A330 has proven itself as a great Long distance truck.
The 787 "regionals"...well that was a mistake and people lost their jobs over that.
The smart thing to do is keep the 777-268's, D-check, repaint & refit the interiors to the new product & you've got them for another 10-15 years, they owe you nothing and it's keeping more wide body seats in their market. EK crew call it the "John Deere" for a good reason and given the large amount of used B777's on the market right now your going to get zip for them anyway.
Anyway, I've got no wasta here so why bother caring.
"Just keep Swimming, just keep Swimming..." :-)
The 787 "regionals"...well that was a mistake and people lost their jobs over that.
The smart thing to do is keep the 777-268's, D-check, repaint & refit the interiors to the new product & you've got them for another 10-15 years, they owe you nothing and it's keeping more wide body seats in their market. EK crew call it the "John Deere" for a good reason and given the large amount of used B777's on the market right now your going to get zip for them anyway.
Anyway, I've got no wasta here so why bother caring.
"Just keep Swimming, just keep Swimming..." :-)
Joined: Jan 2009
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From: california
I want to put out a warning to guys currently planning to come to Saudia. If you look at my previous posts, they have been fair and information based. I am not writing this for any interest other than it is currently the fact on the ground. I have never seen anything like it.
I think a lot of people took great exception to 200 Malaysian pilots being employed without screening. The backlash is huge and includes most instructors and GACA themselves. It was always difficult going through training as a foreign Pilot with Saudia but that was when they wanted you to pass. Now it's something else, they have ramped up the pressure so that when you brake, you're on a slippery slope.
I recommend to prospective Saudia guys to wait until this period is over.
I think a lot of people took great exception to 200 Malaysian pilots being employed without screening. The backlash is huge and includes most instructors and GACA themselves. It was always difficult going through training as a foreign Pilot with Saudia but that was when they wanted you to pass. Now it's something else, they have ramped up the pressure so that when you brake, you're on a slippery slope.
I recommend to prospective Saudia guys to wait until this period is over.
Last edited by polax52; 3rd October 2016 at 17:14.
Joined: May 2004
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From: canada
I want to put out a warning to guys currently planning to come to Saudia. If you look at my previous posts, they have been fair and information based. I am not writing this for any interest other than it is currently the fact on the ground. I have never seen anything like it.
I think a lot of people took great exception to 200 Malaysian pilots being employed without screening. The backlash is huge and includes most instructors and GACA themselves. It was always difficult going through training as a foreign Pilot with Saudia but that was when they wanted you to pass. Now it's something else, they have ramped up the pressure so that when you brake, you're on a slippery slope.
I recommend to prospective Saudia guys to wait until this period is over.
I think a lot of people took great exception to 200 Malaysian pilots being employed without screening. The backlash is huge and includes most instructors and GACA themselves. It was always difficult going through training as a foreign Pilot with Saudia but that was when they wanted you to pass. Now it's something else, they have ramped up the pressure so that when you brake, you're on a slippery slope.
I recommend to prospective Saudia guys to wait until this period is over.
Would you have any guess as to how long for this cycle to run its course.
Joined: Jun 2009
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From: Somewhere near an Airport
@Igigi.Atleast till next June. 100 777 FOs in trainin now. So I would suggest first officers just to stay away.
@Romasaik . No hard feelings please.
They are phasing out all the 200s. They all will be gone by Dec 2017 leaving with 20 odd 773. So beginning next year 777 fleet is going to shrink. Growth will be in A330s and they will make up all the flying. But as such the over all conditions are getting worse anyways. Like polax pointed out, the Malaysian recruitment has put the whole equation to a total chaos. Even on line it's hard to get a good roster and layovers are getting shorter and shorter. 16 hrs in LHR after all night flying !
More and more people are leaving and failing. What will happen when people don't fly for a year or someone is scheduled for line check after 40 days of no flying. I have nothing against those who fail, I'm sure they are good pilots. It's the system which has just got ridiculous. And a fleet of 200 by 2020 will not happen it seems.
Besides everything there will be a pay cut and reduced leaves in the next contract. Well, now they seem to have woke up after long time.
@Romasaik . No hard feelings please.
They are phasing out all the 200s. They all will be gone by Dec 2017 leaving with 20 odd 773. So beginning next year 777 fleet is going to shrink. Growth will be in A330s and they will make up all the flying. But as such the over all conditions are getting worse anyways. Like polax pointed out, the Malaysian recruitment has put the whole equation to a total chaos. Even on line it's hard to get a good roster and layovers are getting shorter and shorter. 16 hrs in LHR after all night flying !
More and more people are leaving and failing. What will happen when people don't fly for a year or someone is scheduled for line check after 40 days of no flying. I have nothing against those who fail, I'm sure they are good pilots. It's the system which has just got ridiculous. And a fleet of 200 by 2020 will not happen it seems.
Besides everything there will be a pay cut and reduced leaves in the next contract. Well, now they seem to have woke up after long time.
Joined: Mar 2005
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From: Tropopause FL350
@Igigi.Atleast till next June. 100 777 FOs in trainin now. So I would suggest first officers just to stay away.
@Romasaik . No hard feelings please.
They are phasing out all the 200s. They all will be gone by Dec 2017 leaving with 20 odd 773. So beginning next year 777 fleet is going to shrink. Growth will be in A330s and they will make up all the flying. But as such the over all conditions are getting worse anyways. Like polax pointed out, the Malaysian recruitment has put the whole equation to a total chaos. Even on line it's hard to get a good roster and layovers are getting shorter and shorter. 16 hrs in LHR after all night flying !
More and more people are leaving and failing. What will happen when people don't fly for a year or someone is scheduled for line check after 40 days of no flying. I have nothing against those who fail, I'm sure they are good pilots. It's the system which has just got ridiculous. And a fleet of 200 by 2020 will not happen it seems.
Besides everything there will be a pay cut and reduced leaves in the next contract. Well, now they seem to have woke up after long time.
@Romasaik . No hard feelings please.
They are phasing out all the 200s. They all will be gone by Dec 2017 leaving with 20 odd 773. So beginning next year 777 fleet is going to shrink. Growth will be in A330s and they will make up all the flying. But as such the over all conditions are getting worse anyways. Like polax pointed out, the Malaysian recruitment has put the whole equation to a total chaos. Even on line it's hard to get a good roster and layovers are getting shorter and shorter. 16 hrs in LHR after all night flying !
More and more people are leaving and failing. What will happen when people don't fly for a year or someone is scheduled for line check after 40 days of no flying. I have nothing against those who fail, I'm sure they are good pilots. It's the system which has just got ridiculous. And a fleet of 200 by 2020 will not happen it seems.
Besides everything there will be a pay cut and reduced leaves in the next contract. Well, now they seem to have woke up after long time.
Joined: Dec 2005
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From: Middle East
SG -
1. Where exactly did you come up with the idea there will be a paycut and reduced leave next contract? Conjecture on your part? Having been here for over a decade and knowing the history going further back. There has never been a reduction to the contract without a corresponding increase in some other allowance.
2. The 16 hour LHR's have been around well over a year or two. Before that, there were 16 hour BOM's. So this is not new nor dramatic.
3. If I have been following the thread correctly, you are newly released to the line. What are you basing your statement on that it is harder to get a good roster now? Your long experience of the seasonal changes to the schedule?
1. Where exactly did you come up with the idea there will be a paycut and reduced leave next contract? Conjecture on your part? Having been here for over a decade and knowing the history going further back. There has never been a reduction to the contract without a corresponding increase in some other allowance.
2. The 16 hour LHR's have been around well over a year or two. Before that, there were 16 hour BOM's. So this is not new nor dramatic.
3. If I have been following the thread correctly, you are newly released to the line. What are you basing your statement on that it is harder to get a good roster now? Your long experience of the seasonal changes to the schedule?
Joined: Apr 2009
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From: On a Wing!
Yes 200 Malaysians might have joined up initially.
But they haven't spoilt much. Mostly because less than 50% are left, with many more waiting eagerly in line to leave. On both the Bus n Boeing fleets.
They are literally leaving in droves. Mostly due to 'impending situations and circumstances' here in SV.
In fact these very pilots might be the reason that SAUDIA is in the spot it is in today.
A complete mis calculation.
Obviously, all of the Malays who have left or frozen their contracts are already on the Payrolls of other SE carriers.
It's a comedy of sorts. With very serious implications. For both the 'other' expat pilots. And for SAUDIA.
But they haven't spoilt much. Mostly because less than 50% are left, with many more waiting eagerly in line to leave. On both the Bus n Boeing fleets.
They are literally leaving in droves. Mostly due to 'impending situations and circumstances' here in SV.
In fact these very pilots might be the reason that SAUDIA is in the spot it is in today.
A complete mis calculation.
Obviously, all of the Malays who have left or frozen their contracts are already on the Payrolls of other SE carriers.
It's a comedy of sorts. With very serious implications. For both the 'other' expat pilots. And for SAUDIA.
Joined: Jun 2009
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From: Somewhere near an Airport
25 is the number I heard from a senior management pilot. If it's 35 it's good, but still it's a decline in the total 777 fleet strength. I don't have a long experience here, thank God and I wouldn't want it either. Regarding the contract again from the same guy, it's not my idea, as we are trained here to memorise and not to think. No more Ramadan bonus, reduced leaves and contract in gegorian calendar. Well, we will wait for it to see it on paper. 22 reserve lines. What can you expect ? Hope it gets better by Next year. (Roster)