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Old 9th Aug 2016, 14:01
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CI54,
My humble and genuine question to you then is, 'are things different then'.
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Old 9th Aug 2016, 14:18
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Just do it the way they want. It's a part of the job description. And it,s not unsafe at all. Instructor just prepares you to the checkride and then you are on your own. It's not a big deal for a professional pilot who is aware that the are other ways to operate the same plane. BTW, the differences are not really significant. Basically standard A or B procedures.
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Old 10th Aug 2016, 13:07
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Originally Posted by King on a Wing View Post
heard some horror stories with regards to training at SV.most of them turn out to be spot on.two of my buddies opted out in the 3rd and fourth month of training. Skippers both
If your buddies had the wrong attitude and behavior problems then it's not surprising that they got axed. If they failed to realize how the things work in SV again it's their fault. So simple as that
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Old 11th Aug 2016, 21:47
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Originally Posted by Top gun pilot 797 View Post
CI54,
My humble and genuine question to you then is, 'are things different then'.
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To which my reply is, it depends.. Some have stayed three days, some have stayed over 20 years. Not that those who have been here over 20 years are entirely happy. The option is yours...
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Old 12th Aug 2016, 02:25
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Where/why the need for the big recruitment at Saudia? Is it still growth or attrition?
If attrition, why? I have read the entire thread and read the reference to failure rates exceeding 50%. Is that it or is there also significant attrition due contracts not being renewed along with retirements?

Do new hires receive full pay during training or is training pay reduced? Any updates on RUH base for new hires?
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Old 12th Aug 2016, 08:04
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Igig,

During training you will receive basic salary, which will depend on aircraft category and position. Not sure if Riyadh base is forced on new hires.
Attrition rate during training is mostly due to people failing or leaving due to various reasons, housing (or lack of it) being number one..... Saudia on 99,99 %of cases renew the contract, I cannot remember any case where they do not renew the contract after the 3 years.
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Old 12th Aug 2016, 11:17
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I cannot remember any case where they do not renew the contract after the 3 years.
I can at least 3....
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Old 13th Aug 2016, 17:10
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Annnnnnd they advertise again....!!
For Skippers only this time.
I can bet my months salary they won't get more than ten percent of what they need. Simply to run their fleet on a routine basis.
The training needs a serious re-vamping and re-strategizing.

Whether it happens or not, is another story completely !!
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Old 14th Aug 2016, 17:33
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Don't care about them

Originally Posted by 7oodaz View Post
well, Alloha, i confess i may have sounded kinda emotional and unprofessional and that was because my mind was totally messed up, i know its their company and they do what they wish and i have nothing but to accept it or leave, thats why i was asking your opinions guys shall i leave or not, i asked for nothing else ! and once i arrived, asked for the 777 and been told a big NO , i didnt even mention it again since then ! so its not like iam a crying 5 years old for a candy or ice cream . anyway thank you for your opinion mate, oh and yes, my first FTD session was 2 days ago so i didn't get the chance to fail any exam and/or check YET
anyway i resigned yesterday because just like what guiones said, " Either u like it or u leave it. "
Man, I understand you and the agony you probably was feeling when you wrote all this. It was an outburst, and those guys did not get it.
Always look for your happiness, don't care to what people will think.
You took a brave and hard decision to leave. I hope you're happier now !
Good luck and happy landings.
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Old 14th Aug 2016, 17:36
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Live abroad

Is it possible to live abroad of SA (i.e. Barhein) when flying for Saudia ?
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Old 15th Aug 2016, 02:23
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Originally Posted by SkullFlyer View Post
Is it possible to live abroad of SA (i.e. Barhein) when flying for Saudia ?
There is a higher possibility of a 3 year old baby to fly a 777
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Old 15th Aug 2016, 04:31
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Originally Posted by alloha View Post
There is a higher possibility of a 3 year old baby to fly a 777
Considering all your answers above, either you trying to be funny or you must be frustated.
Anyway, I get it. It is not allowed to live abroad.
Thanks !
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Old 15th Aug 2016, 08:09
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Skullflyer- These commuting questions come up all of the time. Either through the thread or via PM. Everybody on here working for Saudia have made it very clear and very honestly that this is in no way a commuting contract. You do get a block of 5 days off per month but rarely does that extend beyond 5 days.

Sadly people come to Saudia having ignored all the information and EXPECTING to be able to commute. They spend their time complaining and making people who are very happy working for Saudia miserable.

The other point is that you get the type of aircraft which they give you. If that's going to be a hardship then don't come. In all likelihood over the next few years the vast majority of experienced widebody captains will be put on the A330.

Another point; it is still only about 50% who start that are still with the company after one year. I'm not sure of the percentages failing or just chosing to leave.
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Old 15th Aug 2016, 10:59
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I'm not sure of the percentages failing or just chosing to leave.
The last 3 Americans that i now who left had all failed. (GW isn't included in this )

Of the other nationalities, you have to ask how many are on leave from their national airlines and can walk back into their old jobs.
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Old 15th Aug 2016, 11:39
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Originally Posted by SkullFlyer View Post
Considering all your answers above, either you trying to be funny or you must be frustated.
Anyway, I get it. It is not allowed to live abroad.
Thanks !
Frustrated? Yes maybe,but not with SV . The company has kept all its promises. Salary on time, my 5 days off per month (sometimes 6) , a house in Saudia city.but Frustrated with people who have not realized what this company is all about ,yes maybe I am. And it's not difficult to get the point. All the people who work ,or have worked for SV, have posted here several times that the contract is not for commuters. And yes ,sometimes I try to be funny. I use humor as a self defense mechanism to the stupidity of some comments
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Old 16th Aug 2016, 00:58
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Originally Posted by polax52 View Post
Skullflyer- These commuting questions come up all of the time. Either through the thread or via PM. Everybody on here working for Saudia have made it very clear and very honestly that this is in no way a commuting contract. You do get a block of 5 days off per month but rarely does that extend beyond 5 days.

Sadly people come to Saudia having ignored all the information and EXPECTING to be able to commute. They spend their time complaining and making people who are very happy working for Saudia miserable.



The other point is that you get the type of aircraft which they give you. If that's going to be a hardship then don't come. In all likelihood over the next few years the vast majority of experienced widebody captains will be put on the A330.

Another point; it is still only about 50% who start that are still with the company after one year. I'm not sure of the percentages failing or just chosing to leave.
Thanks, Polax !!! Well understood now.
Happy landings !
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Old 16th Aug 2016, 01:00
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Originally Posted by alloha View Post
Frustrated? Yes maybe,but not with SV . The company has kept all its promises. Salary on time, my 5 days off per month (sometimes 6) , a house in Saudia city.but Frustrated with people who have not realized what this company is all about ,yes maybe I am. And it's not difficult to get the point. All the people who work ,or have worked for SV, have posted here several times that the contract is not for commuters. And yes ,sometimes I try to be funny. I use humor as a self defense mechanism to the stupidity of some comments
Aloha ! Peace ! ✌
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Old 16th Aug 2016, 01:51
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Embraer Fleet

What is happening with the embraer fleet. It seems that they are keeping them for now.

Any news if recruiting will start before the year ends??
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Old 16th Aug 2016, 09:02
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If you want a commuting contract, try Privatair, they are operating an A319 for Saudia under the brand Al-Bayraq.

They are offering 20/10, but that extra 4-5 days off will cost you half the salary of a normal A320 Captain.
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Old 16th Aug 2016, 17:03
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Does anyone know if a new hire 777 Captain will be hired to Jeddah or is there the possibility of Riyadh ? Also can they change equipment type on arrival ? eg I am 777 current , can they put mr on 787 or 330 ?

Can the domicile change at any moment ? Reason is that I would like to bring the family . Anyone there with kids in international schools kind enough to pm me about what its really like for family .

Also would a family of 4 be based be given a villa in Saudi City , or where ? Whats the accomodation like in both Jeddah and Riyadh ?

Do you think that Saudisation will eventually mean all expats will be replaced as soon as they can ?

Appreciate any feedback . Pm if you prefer . Thanks very much.
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