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[QUOTE=mutt;9477392]You would be very foolish to accept the A330 if you were already 777 rated.
Not saying I would accept it at all . The question was what if you arrrive and they put you on another type ?
Is it stipulated pre employment what type you are on ? Can they summarliy change this to fit their requirements ?
Current B777 type is my application . Tks
Not saying I would accept it at all . The question was what if you arrrive and they put you on another type ?
Is it stipulated pre employment what type you are on ? Can they summarliy change this to fit their requirements ?
Current B777 type is my application . Tks
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From: Tropopause FL350
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Normally they will not. I don't know anyone who had this kind of luck. In fact I know a couple of guys who came here for the 330 and they were asked if they want to join the 777
You would be very foolish to accept the A330 if you were already 777 rated.
Not saying I would accept it at all . The question was what if you arrrive and they put you on another type ?
Is it stipulated pre employment what type you are on ? Can they summarliy change this to fit their requirements ?
Current B777 type is my application . Tks
Not saying I would accept it at all . The question was what if you arrrive and they put you on another type ?
Is it stipulated pre employment what type you are on ? Can they summarliy change this to fit their requirements ?
Current B777 type is my application . Tks
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From: ME
JEDDAH: Saudi Arabian Airlines (Saudia) is optimistic about reaching its goal of 200 aircraft by the year 2020 and aims to have 100 percent Saudi pilots, Saleh bin Nasser Al-Jasser, director general of the airline, said Friday.
Addressing a press conference upon his return to Jeddah after taking the delivery of the new Airbus A330 in France, he said Saudia is expected to receive 25 such aircraft within a few months.
The aircraft is the first of the A330-300 Regional aircraft ordered at the 2015 Paris Airshow and joins Saudia’s existing Airbus fleet.
Elaborating on the pilots issue, which was highlighted by Arab News, Al-Jasser said: “Saudia is training about 3,000 Saudi pilots. They have been sent abroad for the best education and to fulfill the future demand for pilots and copilots.”
Addressing a press conference upon his return to Jeddah after taking the delivery of the new Airbus A330 in France, he said Saudia is expected to receive 25 such aircraft within a few months.
The aircraft is the first of the A330-300 Regional aircraft ordered at the 2015 Paris Airshow and joins Saudia’s existing Airbus fleet.
Elaborating on the pilots issue, which was highlighted by Arab News, Al-Jasser said: “Saudia is training about 3,000 Saudi pilots. They have been sent abroad for the best education and to fulfill the future demand for pilots and copilots.”
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From: california
Mutt- The problem is, it doesn't depend on airline needs when it comes to the final termination of expat Pilots. The decision will be made by the government and Royal decree will require Saudiization of the Airline industry at a certain date. It happened in the mobile phone industry last year. 6 months notice was given.
Maybe Saudia should promote jobs fairs now in Jeddah amongst other middle eastern and Chinese airlines.
Maybe Saudia should promote jobs fairs now in Jeddah amongst other middle eastern and Chinese airlines.
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Mutt- The problem is, it doesn't depend on airline needs when it comes to the final termination of expat Pilots. The decision will be made by the government and Royal decree will require Saudiization of the Airline industry at a certain date. It happened in the mobile phone industry last year. 6 months notice was given.
Maybe Saudia should promote jobs fairs now in Jeddah amongst other middle eastern and Chinese airlines.
Maybe Saudia should promote jobs fairs now in Jeddah amongst other middle eastern and Chinese airlines.
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From: Middle East
Polax52,
There is a tad bit of a difference between a job that requires a few weeks of schooling and an aircraft Captain. With the current experience rules it takes 10-12 years for a new hire to become a Capt at SVA.
Do you really think that with expansion and shortages as high as they are, the Royal Court will disable the entire country by terminating all the Expat pilots?
What will be next? Saudization by decree of the medical field?
Neither will happen in the next 10 years.
Just for reference purposes.... 50% of the A320 Capts are Expats.
There is a tad bit of a difference between a job that requires a few weeks of schooling and an aircraft Captain. With the current experience rules it takes 10-12 years for a new hire to become a Capt at SVA.
Do you really think that with expansion and shortages as high as they are, the Royal Court will disable the entire country by terminating all the Expat pilots?
What will be next? Saudization by decree of the medical field?
Neither will happen in the next 10 years.
Just for reference purposes.... 50% of the A320 Capts are Expats.
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From: ME
Metro301, they actually called for full Saudiization of the FO's in the late 90's in response to a complaint from CPL holders, they succeeded in reducing the number down to 10, 9 of these were on the 747 Classic.
Right now I believe that the only fleets with expat FO's are the 330 and 777, so how long will it realistically take to replace them?
Captains are a different story, with about 50 upgrades a year, they are barely covering retirements let alone fleet expansion.
Right now I believe that the only fleets with expat FO's are the 330 and 777, so how long will it realistically take to replace them?
Captains are a different story, with about 50 upgrades a year, they are barely covering retirements let alone fleet expansion.
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From: california
I am not saying either way what will or won't happen but Saudiization is now a very big part of the psychology and they desperately want to make it happen.
Metro301- 10 years sounds like the realistic timescale to me, with no new hires from 2020.
Metro301- 10 years sounds like the realistic timescale to me, with no new hires from 2020.
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From: Dubai UAE
Hello! I know it's a little off-topic since most of you guys here are pilots. But just in case, anyone knows where to apply for Saudia Airlines Cabin Crew here in Dubai? Or do they just process applications in Jeddah? I would appreciate your reply, please. Thank you!
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From: Middle East
Polax,
I admit in 10 years it is possible to replace us all, barring further expansion and with good luck on their part. Hiring of expat FO's in large numbers is only a recent phenomenon. There has been a handful here and there over the past decade, with a dramatic increase over the last year or so. This recent FO hiring was met with a lot of resistance from local pilots.
100% local FO hiring in large numbers, no further AC expansion orders, 10-12 years is realistic.
Mutt,
They would definitely need to streamline the training process. Please correct me if I am wrong, but after the Saudization call in the 90's, there was zero hiring until 2004 for both Capt and Fo?
Bottomline... If I was an expat pilot at SVA..... I would be focusing on a 10 year timeline. Anything sooner is unlikely. I hear many expats talking as though this is going to happen tomorrow. My only point is that it will take time. I am actually rooting for the Saudis. I hope it works for them.
I admit in 10 years it is possible to replace us all, barring further expansion and with good luck on their part. Hiring of expat FO's in large numbers is only a recent phenomenon. There has been a handful here and there over the past decade, with a dramatic increase over the last year or so. This recent FO hiring was met with a lot of resistance from local pilots.
100% local FO hiring in large numbers, no further AC expansion orders, 10-12 years is realistic.
Mutt,
They would definitely need to streamline the training process. Please correct me if I am wrong, but after the Saudization call in the 90's, there was zero hiring until 2004 for both Capt and Fo?
Bottomline... If I was an expat pilot at SVA..... I would be focusing on a 10 year timeline. Anything sooner is unlikely. I hear many expats talking as though this is going to happen tomorrow. My only point is that it will take time. I am actually rooting for the Saudis. I hope it works for them.
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From: california
10 years is an assumption. The government can call time on expat pilots at any point. We presume that they will not until it's healthy for their Airline to do so.
All of this expat recruitment over the last 3 or 4 years has upset a lot of people, now there is a lot of politics involved.
All of this expat recruitment over the last 3 or 4 years has upset a lot of people, now there is a lot of politics involved.
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I feel bad for the senior narrowbody Fo's that I fly with. People with the same experience or even less are being hired direct into the widebody right seat holding these fellows back. Some have 6-7 years seniority. I have no sympathy for the 1-2 year guys crying about it, but the more senior ones, are a real decent lot with good skills.
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From: Tropopause FL350
I feel bad for the senior narrowbody Fo's that I fly with. People with the same experience or even less are being hired direct into the widebody right seat holding these fellows back. Some have 6-7 years seniority. I have no sympathy for the 1-2 year guys crying about it, but the more senior ones, are a real decent lot with good skills.
Not to mention that the training the local FO's are going through is a joke compared to the training of the expats .
My 2 cents
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