Saudia
Joined: Jun 2009
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From: Somewhere near an Airport
Well with their current training program and pace, They cannot make it in ten years also. 20 777 captains retiring this month. The whole fleet transfer concept of upgrade training is going to take plenty of time. Plus the Gaca is really having a hold on the airline and not the other way around. It's just a press statement. At the most they can eliminate all the FOs but not captains for sure. A 777 FO will have to spend considerable time in training in 320 left seat then again 777 left seat to be a 777 captain. It'snt like EK or QR. Eventually they will achieve it but it's going to take a very long time. But for now they done seem to be prepared for the expansion. It's a chaos.
@Skull: Locals do it. They have homes in IST,DXB,BAH etc. As an expat it'll be difficult to obtain resident permit. Even if you do it'll be harder to commute. But It can be done.
@Skull: Locals do it. They have homes in IST,DXB,BAH etc. As an expat it'll be difficult to obtain resident permit. Even if you do it'll be harder to commute. But It can be done.
Joined: Sep 2001
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From: Eagan, MN
I arrived in JED in June 1978; the first day, our first meeting, we were told that by June 1980 the whole expat group (pilots, f/o's, flight engineers (remember?), would all be gone, due to Saudiization. I left 27 yrs later; don't hold yer breath! Sam
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From: california
The reality is that we don't know when the final decision to Saudiize the Airline industry will occur. We do know that the determination is there.
I agree with the wishful thinking posts but in the end it will be all about domestic politics.
I agree with the wishful thinking posts but in the end it will be all about domestic politics.
Joined: Aug 2016
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From: Sand Pit
T & C's
Airline director has told all managers to stop all overtime. The only salary will be Basic salary only, plus the per diems.
Medical insurance has been cancelled. only local insurance at local hospitals. the locals don't even trust the doctors there.
Saudi Airlines to be 100% Saudi pilots by 2020. all expats will be gone by then. Saudia to hire 100% Saudi pilots by 2020 | Arab News
12 hour flights these people cause lung and respiratory problems from their constant smoking.
all told, there is no reason to waster time here.
Medical insurance has been cancelled. only local insurance at local hospitals. the locals don't even trust the doctors there.
Saudi Airlines to be 100% Saudi pilots by 2020. all expats will be gone by then. Saudia to hire 100% Saudi pilots by 2020 | Arab News
12 hour flights these people cause lung and respiratory problems from their constant smoking.
all told, there is no reason to waster time here.
Joined: Sep 1999
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From: ME
Heard 20 captains retired in AUG
How many of them returned as contractors on a higher salary?
Joined: Jan 2009
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From: california
I think a lot of Expat Captains are beginning to complete their 3 year contracts. Those that wish to do 1 contract will leave. 3 years ago Saudia were probably hiring 10 successful expats per month, at a total guess maybe 50% of those will leave on contract completion.
I Have Control
Joined: May 2004
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From: North-West England
What is the reason for Saudiization of this airline?
Is anyone able to provide a coherent answer to this question? From a Saudi or a non-Saudi, a logical answer would be good to see.
From an SV manager, I would dearly love to hear a truthful response. So reply....
Is anyone able to provide a coherent answer to this question? From a Saudi or a non-Saudi, a logical answer would be good to see.
From an SV manager, I would dearly love to hear a truthful response. So reply....
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From: On the road
Quick question. This block of 5 days that keeps getting mentioned. I take it you actually have more off a month in total? 1-2 days off between trips? I don't know the GACA regs but take it it's not 25 days of work with pure min rest between and one set of 5 days off?
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From: california
RoyHudd: I am not sure that I can give you the truthful answer which you want. If you google Saudiization then you will probably find a lot of information. I understand that Saudiization is a legal process initiated in around 2005 to slowly replace the approximately 7,000,000 expatriate workers with Saudi workers. There have been some industries where the government have intervened to insure that this process has happened quickly for example the mobile phone industry last year, where the government gave companies six months to replace all expat workers.
The management of Saudia have clearly stated that their intention is to remove all foreign Pilots and replace them with Saudi Pilots by 2020. I do understand from within the head office that a target of 6-8 years is actually what they believe.
Cliff Secord: Your presumption is of course correct. You get one block of 5 and then ones and twos. I think the minimum is nine.
The management of Saudia have clearly stated that their intention is to remove all foreign Pilots and replace them with Saudi Pilots by 2020. I do understand from within the head office that a target of 6-8 years is actually what they believe.
Cliff Secord: Your presumption is of course correct. You get one block of 5 and then ones and twos. I think the minimum is nine.