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Old 5th Oct 2016, 13:26
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Originally Posted by King on a Wing
Yes 200 Malaysians might have joined up initially.
But they haven't spoilt much. Mostly because less than 50% are left, with many more waiting eagerly in line to leave. On both the Bus n Boeing fleets.
They are literally leaving in droves. Mostly due to 'impending situations and circumstances' here in SV.
In fact these very pilots might be the reason that SAUDIA is in the spot it is in today.
A complete mis calculation.
Obviously, all of the Malays who have left or frozen their contracts are already on the Payrolls of other SE carriers.
It's a comedy of sorts. With very serious implications. For both the 'other' expat pilots. And for SAUDIA.
What could be implications for 'other' expat pilots?
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Old 6th Oct 2016, 09:47
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To begin with, EVERYBODY will be treated with mis trust and caution. Once bitten twice shy.
More importantly simply due to mis calculations, all expats would suffer.
Aparently the housing had secured a compound for the Malaysians exclusively while accommodating other expats in SV city and hotels. That will now have repercussions. Because now they will barely fill the new compound to 50 % capacity. Thus all others will be asked to move to the new compound.
The list goes on and on...
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Old 7th Oct 2016, 11:06
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And the new compound is in the desert....
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Old 7th Oct 2016, 17:34
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Whole country is desert
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Old 8th Oct 2016, 07:34
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Impact of new fees

http://www.saudiexpatnews.com/2016/05/jawazat-services-fee.html

How would the new fees affect those already there, and those intending to join?
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Old 8th Oct 2016, 11:59
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Company will reimburse your fees as you need a exit visa to fly, but you will have to pay for your families exit visas. In theory the cost of a 12 month exit visa has changed from 1000 SAR to 2300 SAR.
If you are actually allowed to keep your kids outside for 12 months, this would actually be cheaper than having to fly them back every 6 months to renew their visas, so in a round about way, the new system might actually be cheaper for some!
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Old 9th Oct 2016, 05:32
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Originally Posted by mutt
Company will reimburse your fees as you need a exit visa to fly, but you will have to pay for your families exit visas. In theory the cost of a 12 month exit visa has changed from 1000 SAR to 2300 SAR.
If you are actually allowed to keep your kids outside for 12 months, this would actually be cheaper than having to fly them back every 6 months to renew their visas, so in a round about way, the new system might actually be cheaper for some!
Really? Cost of 12 month single exit/re-entry visa was 200 sr, from now 12 month single exit-reentry visa will cost 1200 sr. So extra 1000 sr per year/kid staying outside.
Visa renewal (holiday) run to KSA is covered by yearly domicile ticket (except airport taxes).
On the other hand now you will be able to issue exit/re-entry visa for longer period until iqama validity date so visa/iqama run can be once in two years.
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Old 18th Oct 2016, 00:14
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BKK from December as diplomatic relationships between the two countries have been reestablish
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Old 18th Oct 2016, 00:23
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Originally Posted by North_Bedouin
Really? Cost of 12 month single exit/re-entry visa was 200 sr, from now 12 month single exit-reentry visa will cost 1200 sr. So extra 1000 sr per year/kid staying outside.
Visa renewal (holiday) run to KSA is covered by yearly domicile ticket (except airport taxes).
On the other hand now you will be able to issue exit/re-entry visa for longer period until iqama validity date so visa/iqama run can be once in two years.
the cost of the multiple exit/reentry visa from the 2nd of October is based on the origin of the passport . Schengen passport have a fee of only 250 SAR for 2 years, US passports is 400 SAR for 5 years . UK passports is 510 for 6 months or 1950 SAR for 24. All the other countries the rates are 3000 SAR/6 months , 5000/1 year and 8000 for 2 years
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Old 18th Oct 2016, 05:03
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Originally Posted by alloha
the cost of the multiple exit/reentry visa from the 2nd of October is based on the origin of the passport . Schengen passport have a fee of only 250 SAR for 2 years, US passports is 400 SAR for 5 years . UK passports is 510 for 6 months or 1950 SAR for 24. All the other countries the rates are 3000 SAR/6 months , 5000/1 year and 8000 for 2 years
This newly circulating info is talking about the cost of the multiple ENTRY visa for NON-RESIDENTS (e.g. business visit visa), and not about EXIT-REENTRY for iqama holders.
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Old 18th Oct 2016, 09:18
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Is there a reference for BKK or is it just rumour? An announcement like that, days after the death of the Thai King could be pretty insulting to the Thai's.

Last I read, KSA was only sending someone to attend a conference being held in Thailand, no where near the establishment of full diplomatic relations.
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Old 20th Oct 2016, 15:18
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Anyone working there with an idea of the 787 destinations and bases please?
Thanks
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Old 20th Oct 2016, 20:05
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Non Payment of Contract Completion Bonus.

I see many are concerned about the extra costs as a result of visa fee increases. However, none of you seem too bothered about the NON payment of the contract completion bonus which, if not paid, would be a much greater cost/loss than then the visa fee increases.
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Old 22nd Oct 2016, 14:43
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Originally Posted by VAMY
I see many are concerned about the extra costs as a result of visa fee increases. However, none of you seem too bothered about the NON payment of the contract completion bonus which, if not paid, would be a much greater cost/loss than then the visa fee increases.
Gamy it is true that the company delays the completion bonus.sometimes more than 7 months But only in cases where there is a contract renewal. In cases with complete contract termination and no renewal ,bonus is being given immediately so you can have your bank clearance letter.
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Old 23rd Oct 2016, 09:25
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Alloha, what you say concerning the "Contract Completion" bonus being paid when you are leaving Saudia at the normal end of your contract term was, until recently, correct. It was part of and included in your final settlement, provided you completed the full term of your contract. If you left before your contract completion date, or where terminated before, then the likely hood would be that you would not get the "contract completion bonus" for the obvious reason i.e. you would not have completed your contract term.

Until recently, the "Contract Completion" bonus was being paid to pilots who renewed their contracts. In these cases, it was common for the bonus payment to be delayed for a few months. Seven months delay would have been excessive and unusual.

However, what is happening recently is different. Pilots who are renewing their contracts are being told by both GM Flying and VP Flying that the "Contract Completion" is not going to be paid "until further notice" and "subject to the approval of Saudia HR Department". In these most recent of circumstances it is unlikely that the "Contract Completion" bonus will be paid even to pilots who are leaving at the normal end of their contracts.

Other changes affecting renumeration of expat pilots are likely to follow as part of the KSA government's budget reduction and cost reduction programs.
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Old 23rd Oct 2016, 22:45
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If that were to happen, what would be the point of working at Saudia?
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Old 24th Oct 2016, 11:01
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Originally Posted by argentina21
If that were to happen, what would be the point of working at Saudia?
Many people will definitely leave. Without any doubt. And many are already actively looking around. The picture will be clear in coming few months. Untill now the only development is comlpletion of contract delay. Let's see the next salary.
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Old 26th Oct 2016, 06:11
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The supposed reason being "bandied about" by GM Flying & VP Flying for the "delay" or NON payment of the Contract Completon Bonus is that it is "according to a recent Royal Decree". Well, at least that is what is being relayed is the reason being given by SV HR Department.

However I find it very hard to believe, that if correct, the "decree" can be retrospectively applied to contractual agreements already signed and in existence. It will need someone, or a group, to challenge Saudia in the Saudi Labour Court.
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Old 26th Oct 2016, 16:24
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Strangely enough we weren't considered "saudi government employees" when the bonuses were being handed out last year
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Old 26th Oct 2016, 19:56
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How can they say no to the contract completion bonus, when it's part of our contract clause ?
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