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honest feedback? in my opinion dont do it..its unstable, however..
Wait for reply from poster called mafemukh. he was there until recently and can give you a better idea..wait for his opinion.
Wait for reply from poster called mafemukh. he was there until recently and can give you a better idea..wait for his opinion.
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You really want to hear the opinion from students there, which I am not. I can definitely confirm that you don't get a JAA Licence you get a Jordanian Licence fron CARC who are an FAA based authority. Accreditation using AFT was an option that the CEO didn't persue!
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Is it really that terrible to be in AAA???
Is it fATPL or just CPLE/IR??
& is it JAA approved?? (since AAA is a partner of Atlantic Flight Training)
Is it fATPL or just CPLE/IR??
& is it JAA approved?? (since AAA is a partner of Atlantic Flight Training)
I assume by the questions you've just asked that you've never visited the flight school, seen the facilities, met with the staff and students - nor have you had your skills or competencies assessed by them. Naturally your taking a big gamble here.. I thought that was forbidden?
What's a return flight to Aqaba going to cost you? 150-200 dinars?
Do your homework, investigate, ask lots of questions, pay them a visit, meet the staff & students, have a look at the accommodation, the lifestyle that's on offer etc, and get your skills assessed. That's generic advice that any GOOD flight school would expect you to do before hand.
You wouldn't spend 35,000 dinars on a car you've never actually seen in real life would you? A car you've never taken for a test drive?
I wouldn't suggest applying the same logic to what might potentially be a life changing decision for you, especially if it's an investment in YOUR future.
Good luck!
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My suggestion is to research your options , BDB and gulf air will aprove any certified school (check with them before 
) . You get charged for extra flights that you have to do , it does'nt mean your **** it's just how it is everyone has to do an extra flight once in a while for example you decide to fly and the weather turns to **** next flight your paying for above the total agreed fee which covers minimum flying hours to get your license, so if you are getting a loan think about that .
For ayla students, How many aerodromes are there in jordon for your navs?
) . You get charged for extra flights that you have to do , it does'nt mean your **** it's just how it is everyone has to do an extra flight once in a while for example you decide to fly and the weather turns to **** next flight your paying for above the total agreed fee which covers minimum flying hours to get your license, so if you are getting a loan think about that .For ayla students, How many aerodromes are there in jordon for your navs?
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Hi Silver,
As goneeast stated, I am the most recent departure, I think so anyway; however, my opinions are based on conditions at least 6 weeks ago.
To give you plain advice - I would not go there.
The situation is, in my opinion, too volatile to entrust a loan of that magnitude to an organization which has a history, albeit a short one, of structural deterioration and fracture. There may have been steps taken to "shore up" the foundations but I wouldn't trust those either. All it will take is another self-destructive pounding and the school will be shaken to its roots again.
According to students with whom I still have contact, the school is unable to fly the students it has already; it just does not have the resources nor the airspace to do so. Unfortunately, I have seen situations before where there have been short-cuts taken with too few resources and tragedy is the usual outcome. I am not suggesting that AAA will take these short-cuts; however, to me it seems likely, an apparently cavalier attitude towards regulations and over-confidence in one's own judgement are not conducive to treading the right path.
With the current economic climate, Silver, I would want to obtain a proper JAA license; you should be able to get a great deal with the European schools. I would look for one that completes a big portion of flight-time in the USA where the weather and gas prices are still good. The FBI background check is now fast and efficient, and no longer a major obstacle.
I hope this helps.
Gilderoy, Klubman, goneeast - isn't it noticeable that unlike the previous critical thread where students and staff were vociferous in defending AAA, especially the RJA guys, that is no longer the case. I think the silence is most eloquent!!
As goneeast stated, I am the most recent departure, I think so anyway; however, my opinions are based on conditions at least 6 weeks ago.
To give you plain advice - I would not go there.
The situation is, in my opinion, too volatile to entrust a loan of that magnitude to an organization which has a history, albeit a short one, of structural deterioration and fracture. There may have been steps taken to "shore up" the foundations but I wouldn't trust those either. All it will take is another self-destructive pounding and the school will be shaken to its roots again.
According to students with whom I still have contact, the school is unable to fly the students it has already; it just does not have the resources nor the airspace to do so. Unfortunately, I have seen situations before where there have been short-cuts taken with too few resources and tragedy is the usual outcome. I am not suggesting that AAA will take these short-cuts; however, to me it seems likely, an apparently cavalier attitude towards regulations and over-confidence in one's own judgement are not conducive to treading the right path.
With the current economic climate, Silver, I would want to obtain a proper JAA license; you should be able to get a great deal with the European schools. I would look for one that completes a big portion of flight-time in the USA where the weather and gas prices are still good. The FBI background check is now fast and efficient, and no longer a major obstacle.
I hope this helps.
Gilderoy, Klubman, goneeast - isn't it noticeable that unlike the previous critical thread where students and staff were vociferous in defending AAA, especially the RJA guys, that is no longer the case. I think the silence is most eloquent!!
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If your after a JAA licence, there's a published list of flight schools that is compiled by the UK CAA which you can download as a PDF [here]. If you train at any of those flight schools, you'll earn a JAA licence issued by the UK CAA.
If your after a JAA licence, there's a published list of flight schools that is compiled by the UK CAA which you can download as a PDF [here]. If you train at any of those flight schools, you'll earn a JAA licence issued by the UK CAA.
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Couldn't agree more. The likes of 'mashreq', etc. are conspicuous by their absence.
All in all, a great shame. Could have been so good. Still not tempted to return, though!
All in all, a great shame. Could have been so good. Still not tempted to return, though!
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Red Max
Thanks for your reply...and I have reviewed every single UK CAA school and mailed plenty of them during the past month...but here is the situation:
I think Gulf Air has put us in such trouble sticking us to only those 2 Jordanian shools!
I have spoken to everybody in charge within Gulf Air...knocked the doors of many many officials there..and here is the end point : if u wanna work for Gulf Air you gotta have JAR fATPL or go to Jordan... and if you choose to go to Europe to get the JAR Ops license, then Gulf Air won't sponsor u..so it's gonna be more and more costs!!
Let's consider the generousity of BDB to finance the students..but again sticking us to jordan only.... what about UK CAA schools issueing fATPL+MCC+JOC in as short as 14 months average?? why the heck they are not approved by BDB and Gulf Air as certified training schools?!!
To mafemukh,
"The situation is, in my opinion, too volatile to entrust a loan of that magnitude to an organization which has a history, albeit a short one, of structural deterioration and fracture. There may have been steps taken to "shore up" the foundations but I wouldn't trust those either. All it will take is another self-destructive pounding and the school will be shaken to its roots again"
Well..I can see the level of frustration u've reached after AAA....but I would like to be more specific here...would u please name to me the exact problems that a student might encounter in AAA daily life??
I appreciate it...
I'm still so confused about the whole thing...but surely I wanna be there in the skies...and i'll keep on going after the "Pilot.In.Command" dream
wish me luck guys...
Thanks for your reply...and I have reviewed every single UK CAA school and mailed plenty of them during the past month...but here is the situation:
I think Gulf Air has put us in such trouble sticking us to only those 2 Jordanian shools!
I have spoken to everybody in charge within Gulf Air...knocked the doors of many many officials there..and here is the end point : if u wanna work for Gulf Air you gotta have JAR fATPL or go to Jordan... and if you choose to go to Europe to get the JAR Ops license, then Gulf Air won't sponsor u..so it's gonna be more and more costs!!
Let's consider the generousity of BDB to finance the students..but again sticking us to jordan only.... what about UK CAA schools issueing fATPL+MCC+JOC in as short as 14 months average?? why the heck they are not approved by BDB and Gulf Air as certified training schools?!!
To mafemukh,
"The situation is, in my opinion, too volatile to entrust a loan of that magnitude to an organization which has a history, albeit a short one, of structural deterioration and fracture. There may have been steps taken to "shore up" the foundations but I wouldn't trust those either. All it will take is another self-destructive pounding and the school will be shaken to its roots again"
Well..I can see the level of frustration u've reached after AAA....but I would like to be more specific here...would u please name to me the exact problems that a student might encounter in AAA daily life??
I appreciate it...
I'm still so confused about the whole thing...but surely I wanna be there in the skies...and i'll keep on going after the "Pilot.In.Command" dream
wish me luck guys...
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Silver, as I understand it the Gulf Air sponsorship is a small amount with some standby tickets. If you get a JAA licence plus MCC you will stand a chance of employment with a lot of other carriers in the Gulf, with the Jordanian licence it's basically Gulf Air.
You will also find that there is no job guarantee with Gulf Air, even if you go to one of the Jordanian Schools, they will only take a percentage of the best students, they also have plans to start there own MPL Course with a 3rd party, and I would imagine those students will be employed before the CPL/IR BDB students in Jordan.
May be worth asking Gulf Air how far advanced there MPL Plans are! Mafemuk may be able to advise you on that as well.
You will also find that there is no job guarantee with Gulf Air, even if you go to one of the Jordanian Schools, they will only take a percentage of the best students, they also have plans to start there own MPL Course with a 3rd party, and I would imagine those students will be employed before the CPL/IR BDB students in Jordan.
May be worth asking Gulf Air how far advanced there MPL Plans are! Mafemuk may be able to advise you on that as well.
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Let's consider the generousity of BDB to finance the students..but again sticking us to jordan only
Part of the application process is that you appoint a guarantor with a sizable income (to be supplemented with financial income statements) plus they require your guarantor to issue BDB with a ridiculous amount of signed post-datedcheques (four years worth if I'm not mistaken) which they start cashing in before you even finish your flight training! Their repayment grace period was 12 months at the time. The point I'm making here is, you don't need to make a business case to them that YOU will be in a position to pay back your debt even if you dont make it as a pilot.
if you choose to go to Europe to get the JAR Ops license, then Gulf Air won't sponsor u
what about UK CAA schools issueing fATPL+MCC+JOC in as short as 14 months average?? why the heck they are not approved by BDB and Gulf Air as certified training schools?!!
I think you should set your standard higher than what GF 'thinks' makes a good FTO. There is no question that a JAA licence earnt in Europe will give you allot of credability as a pilot in the Middle East and elsewhere. I've got 3 Bahraini mates, all of whom have self-sponsored their training in Europe and managed to gain employment in Bahrain & the UAE. One flies for GF, another Bahrain Air, and the third - Air Arabia in the UAE.
You can probably tell I'm not a fan of Ayla. I used to be interested in them, and was potentially going to consider giving them my business, but their representative who I had arranged to meet up with me in a hotel lobby stood me up. I never did get an appology either. Perhaps that how they do business in Jordan! On the whole, I found them unprofessional and a company I'd not want to be affiliated with as an employee or as a paying customer.
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Hi Silver,
Read my post #154 about being specific.
A current student's daily life - I don't know. Devil Pilot is a current student, hopefully he will answer your query.
I don't blame you Klubman - I made it a condition of my return that there had to be a change in decision-making authority, especially in training. In other words, there was to be no involvement in training issues by those not qualified nor experienced enough to be involved. I imagine that did not sit well!!
I don't know anything about GF and any possible MPL partner, Gilderoy; my MPL proposal for RJA was put on hold after my quarter of a century of experience was overruled through the opinions of 2 marketers and an inexperienced FI - go figure! Hence, of course, why I demanded no interference from the inexperienced and unqualified - see above.
PS. I have the greatest respect for the 3 guys involved, the 2 marketers I count as friends, the FI is up-and-coming and will be very good when she has the experience to back her talent; however, it was a very poor decision to weight their opinions as highly as they were weighted. I could at least have been asked to present my case against the objections and then AAA could now have been well on the way to reaping the benefits of a successful MPL beta test...
As far as using qualified instructors is concerned, again, I offered to return and take a course through its IR groundschool, knowing there was only 1 IGI left at AAA. I was told the CGI had it covered - goodness knows how; I hope he's not being hung out to dry, but what's new...?!
Read my post #154 about being specific.
A current student's daily life - I don't know. Devil Pilot is a current student, hopefully he will answer your query.
I don't blame you Klubman - I made it a condition of my return that there had to be a change in decision-making authority, especially in training. In other words, there was to be no involvement in training issues by those not qualified nor experienced enough to be involved. I imagine that did not sit well!!
I don't know anything about GF and any possible MPL partner, Gilderoy; my MPL proposal for RJA was put on hold after my quarter of a century of experience was overruled through the opinions of 2 marketers and an inexperienced FI - go figure! Hence, of course, why I demanded no interference from the inexperienced and unqualified - see above.
PS. I have the greatest respect for the 3 guys involved, the 2 marketers I count as friends, the FI is up-and-coming and will be very good when she has the experience to back her talent; however, it was a very poor decision to weight their opinions as highly as they were weighted. I could at least have been asked to present my case against the objections and then AAA could now have been well on the way to reaping the benefits of a successful MPL beta test...
As far as using qualified instructors is concerned, again, I offered to return and take a course through its IR groundschool, knowing there was only 1 IGI left at AAA. I was told the CGI had it covered - goodness knows how; I hope he's not being hung out to dry, but what's new...?!
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There's a thread on page 6 of this forum discussing Gulf Air and possible training partners that may be worth a read titled "Gulf Air and Oxford Aviation Academy joint venture".
There's a thread on page 6 of this forum discussing Gulf Air and possible training partners that may be worth a read titled "Gulf Air and Oxford Aviation Academy joint venture".
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gilderoy lockhart, mafemukh, .Aero: Cool Down Guys!
ok..I admit...you all really know many "Kitchen secrets" here!
So let me explain how could you offer me a genuine help out of all these information you own..
1) Who is the person (or just a title) I should contact in Gulf Air to know about AAA and the future of both parties together? (assuming that I will finish studying in mid of 2010, by that time I never want to look like a guy coming from the "bad history")
2) Hypothetically, if I'm the "exemplar student" for pilot training at a school like AAA with all what it has of the good (if there are any according to your opinions!) and the bad...how would u estimate the outcome of such combination?
3) Is there any news or "insiders info" about Gulf Air approving schools elsewhere? How soon should I expect any advancement in this regard?
4) Apart from AAA stuff...Do airlines in the middle east hire pilots without flying experience and only having JAA FROZEN ATPL? coz all the vacancies I've seen around are like hell of experience hours are required on top of the "UNFROZEN" ATPL!! and if the answer is "yes..they hire JAA fATPL pilots", how do you oulook the need for future pilots in the area?
Again guys... I'm still confused and don't wanna regret any decisions
... and i'm here just to get the RIGHT advice...& I believe that i've got good fellows around here..!
thank you
If anyone of you would like to SAY MORE or want to share with me some of the"hidden truth about AAA" please send me PM.
So let me explain how could you offer me a genuine help out of all these information you own..
1) Who is the person (or just a title) I should contact in Gulf Air to know about AAA and the future of both parties together? (assuming that I will finish studying in mid of 2010, by that time I never want to look like a guy coming from the "bad history")
2) Hypothetically, if I'm the "exemplar student" for pilot training at a school like AAA with all what it has of the good (if there are any according to your opinions!) and the bad...how would u estimate the outcome of such combination?
3) Is there any news or "insiders info" about Gulf Air approving schools elsewhere? How soon should I expect any advancement in this regard?
4) Apart from AAA stuff...Do airlines in the middle east hire pilots without flying experience and only having JAA FROZEN ATPL? coz all the vacancies I've seen around are like hell of experience hours are required on top of the "UNFROZEN" ATPL!! and if the answer is "yes..they hire JAA fATPL pilots", how do you oulook the need for future pilots in the area?
Again guys... I'm still confused and don't wanna regret any decisions
... and i'm here just to get the RIGHT advice...& I believe that i've got good fellows around here..!thank you
If anyone of you would like to SAY MORE or want to share with me some of the"hidden truth about AAA" please send me PM.
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I think GF & OAA are not going anywhere together...one senior captain at GF told me that the "great, wealthy prosperous Gulf Air" Audited OAA and guess what...they found out that OAA is not the suitable pick!!!!
only god knows whether it's true..
I think GF & OAA are not going anywhere together...one senior captain at GF told me that the "great, wealthy prosperous Gulf Air" Audited OAA and guess what...they found out that OAA is not the suitable pick!!!!
only god knows whether it's true..
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I dont know if you were with us befor or not but this is what is happening here:
WORD WAR I; Started with one guy asking about the academy(may be at the wrong time) when some instrutors were leaving(terminated may be),
The instructors start to tell only the bad things, some instructors(and students) started to fight back.
There were so many viloations in the rules in this war ,the thread was closed.
WORD WAR II;
Playing up (terminated instructor) started the 2nd war by posting:
For all of those involved past and present in "the big top in the desert". Those consedring moving to Aqaba for employment are also welcome.
Bitching students not welcome, start your own thread!
the students (and loyal instructors)could not hold it ,the thread was removed.
WORD WAR III
We are now at the middle of this war, we are trying to keep it as positive as we can.
I dont know if you were with us befor or not but this is what is happening here:
WORD WAR I; Started with one guy asking about the academy(may be at the wrong time) when some instrutors were leaving(terminated may be),
The instructors start to tell only the bad things, some instructors(and students) started to fight back.
There were so many viloations in the rules in this war ,the thread was closed.
WORD WAR II;
Playing up (terminated instructor) started the 2nd war by posting:
For all of those involved past and present in "the big top in the desert". Those consedring moving to Aqaba for employment are also welcome.
Bitching students not welcome, start your own thread!
the students (and loyal instructors)could not hold it ,the thread was removed.
WORD WAR III
We are now at the middle of this war, we are trying to keep it as positive as we can.
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As i said to you SilveR5 it's not all the time the academy !!!
If the airspace was less messy and CARC decide to change some of their F
rules i'm sure we could have more planes and much more interesting things to do
Cheers
If the airspace was less messy and CARC decide to change some of their F
rules i'm sure we could have more planes and much more interesting things to do Cheers
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I agree...
I have nothing personal against AAA...on the contrary of this, I hope things get better...so that everybody receive the proper training & come back home to say with pride "mission accomplished"!
all the best
I agree...
I have nothing personal against AAA...on the contrary of this, I hope things get better...so that everybody receive the proper training & come back home to say with pride "mission accomplished"!
all the best