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Training agreement
r u sure about the agreement thing??
Yes there was some form of a training agreement between the two companies.
Here is a press statement. Sounds non-eventful.
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I appreciate your help Aero..but let me explain how do I see the case..
I actually still don't get it...what would this agreement bring new to Ayla? simulators?? A/C?? totally new courses?? the breakthrough in the molecular science of building new pilots?? when and why??
I don't know why we always have to ask hundreds of questions before we can ever get a single word of truth from any little stupid official
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I mean isn't it their business that they should look after and present it properly to "customers"?? and I'm not talking about Ayla being the best FTO in the world...it's just about the basics of building bonds between a company and its prospects...
so if they need more business they don't really have to send that as
le R.K. to try fishing for students who are totally unaware of the mess in that heedless academy!! they just have to do some basics of professional management...otherwise they may go to a bookstore during one of their happy weekends and shop for "FTO,s for Dummies"!!
Aero,
I'm really thankful for your explanations...this is really very kind of you...but I should normally expect some1 to come out from Ayla to say "this is what we've been working on..and this is what we've got now.. and this is what we are looking for"...as simple as this!!! it's not supposed to be here in PPruNE...but it should at least appearing on their website with all the glory of mutual agreements!! why it is sooo Fking difficult for those who think of themselves r real managers and CEOs to show up publicly with respect and speak out loudly in front of the media?? what the hell are they?? midnight bootleggers??!!!!
so if one CEO doesn't have the courage to step down coz he simply can't (or doesn't know how to) run the organization, he should at least TRY TO LOOK LIKE some1 responsible for the problems encountered, and how possibly he could solve them...and explain the latest news and decisions, and what are the implications of these! personally I wish this could really happen...but I think the rotten bureaucracy there will never allow such a thing to come about..ever!!!
Cheers
I actually still don't get it...what would this agreement bring new to Ayla? simulators?? A/C?? totally new courses?? the breakthrough in the molecular science of building new pilots?? when and why??
I don't know why we always have to ask hundreds of questions before we can ever get a single word of truth from any little stupid official
...I mean isn't it their business that they should look after and present it properly to "customers"?? and I'm not talking about Ayla being the best FTO in the world...it's just about the basics of building bonds between a company and its prospects...
so if they need more business they don't really have to send that as
le R.K. to try fishing for students who are totally unaware of the mess in that heedless academy!! they just have to do some basics of professional management...otherwise they may go to a bookstore during one of their happy weekends and shop for "FTO,s for Dummies"!!Aero,
I'm really thankful for your explanations...this is really very kind of you...but I should normally expect some1 to come out from Ayla to say "this is what we've been working on..and this is what we've got now.. and this is what we are looking for"...as simple as this!!! it's not supposed to be here in PPruNE...but it should at least appearing on their website with all the glory of mutual agreements!! why it is sooo F
king difficult for those who think of themselves r real managers and CEOs to show up publicly with respect and speak out loudly in front of the media?? what the hell are they?? midnight bootleggers??!!!!so if one CEO doesn't have the courage to step down coz he simply can't (or doesn't know how to) run the organization, he should at least TRY TO LOOK LIKE some1 responsible for the problems encountered, and how possibly he could solve them...and explain the latest news and decisions, and what are the implications of these! personally I wish this could really happen...but I think the rotten bureaucracy there will never allow such a thing to come about..ever!!!
Cheers
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Hi Truthful
Nope, not going back to AAA. Just quiet because I have no news and nothing to say.
Silver, many FTO's in the U.S. have what are called #135 operations as a sideline. Essentially they are then able to offer charter services. What this means is that there are several ways in which the operations can benefit each other:
Silver, many FTO's in the U.S. have what are called #135 operations as a sideline. Essentially they are then able to offer charter services. What this means is that there are several ways in which the operations can benefit each other:
- The charter operation may use instructors from the school to fly its aircraft;
- The charter operation may use the FTO instructors to meet all its training and recurrency requirements;
- The FTO may use the charter operation to fly its execs about;
- The FTO may use the charter operation as an outlet/training for its cadets.
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mafemukh thanx
AAA desperately needs you and its their tradition to keep in touch with expat instructors. As per my information, the things have really gone wrong after your departure. The new superannuated and un-licenced ground instructors will soon find themselves in a mess. AAA will soon contact you to recover the things once again, however my question to you is"" WILL YOU BE ABLE TO RECOVER IT?""
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Thanks for your kind words Truthful.
To be honest, habibe, I don't think I will be asked to return and, indeed it may be too late as I have a couple of offers I am considering. Can it be turned round? YES!! It needs a leader in whom both cadets and staff can place their trust - I don't think I ever had a problem with trust.
I don't know of any ban on PPRuNe - and I don't think any attempt to ban either staff or cadets from posting would work. Yes, it may be possible to prevent access on the Ayla net but guys can still go to any number of other networks and post.
I am also very surprised that we haven't heard anything from any of the cadets for a while - they say "no news is good news" and I hope for their sakes that it is true...
To be honest, habibe, I don't think I will be asked to return and, indeed it may be too late as I have a couple of offers I am considering. Can it be turned round? YES!! It needs a leader in whom both cadets and staff can place their trust - I don't think I ever had a problem with trust.
I don't know of any ban on PPRuNe - and I don't think any attempt to ban either staff or cadets from posting would work. Yes, it may be possible to prevent access on the Ayla net but guys can still go to any number of other networks and post.
I am also very surprised that we haven't heard anything from any of the cadets for a while - they say "no news is good news" and I hope for their sakes that it is true...
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Rehi mafemukh
This Academy really needs people like you to re-take off. Remember the students stopped writing because they can' t see any ray of hope in AAA now. Trust me these newly inducted Un-licenced GIs are not at all capable to move the things in the right direction. They are too old i.e 65 years and above to work so hard. I am sure they can' t get even the GI licences. You put all the differences aside and try to come back to at least reposition AAA for yet another take off. Give water to this tree which you had planted with a dedicated team. One complete course has been sent on leave because the present team failed to prepare them for CARC PPL exam.
Presnetly AAA is in the grip of so many crises which include the outflow of students with no influx of new ones, financial crunch, lack of properly trained plus licenced ground and flight instructors. Just imagine the three newly inducted CFIs could not go solo even after flying for more than 30 hours on the average. The ground School is just running an internal ATPL Course of 10 students, so this team is yet to be tested for teaching more than two courses simultaneously. One of the CFI oftenly gets into porpoise on landing or ballooning the aircraft on flare out well known to every student in AAA.
I mean you are desperately needed and as I know an ACGI who just worked here for over month and then left, he is also highly respected as a professional instructor who was equally liked by every one in Ground School. The combination of you two at AAA can really turn it into a sucessfull Academy.
Presnetly AAA is in the grip of so many crises which include the outflow of students with no influx of new ones, financial crunch, lack of properly trained plus licenced ground and flight instructors. Just imagine the three newly inducted CFIs could not go solo even after flying for more than 30 hours on the average. The ground School is just running an internal ATPL Course of 10 students, so this team is yet to be tested for teaching more than two courses simultaneously. One of the CFI oftenly gets into porpoise on landing or ballooning the aircraft on flare out well known to every student in AAA.
I mean you are desperately needed and as I know an ACGI who just worked here for over month and then left, he is also highly respected as a professional instructor who was equally liked by every one in Ground School. The combination of you two at AAA can really turn it into a sucessfull Academy.
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I offered to return
Hi Truthful,
I offered to return but it was refused. I have put aside my differences but I don't think the CEO will do so: I was very critical of him upon leaving but it was the usual 'behavior breeds behavior' - if he had treated me with more respect and valued my contribution appropriately, I would still be there!
Was the ACGI's name Matt? If so, he is an old friend - we were even on the same squadron together in 1983!
I offered to return but it was refused. I have put aside my differences but I don't think the CEO will do so: I was very critical of him upon leaving but it was the usual 'behavior breeds behavior' - if he had treated me with more respect and valued my contribution appropriately, I would still be there!
Was the ACGI's name Matt? If so, he is an old friend - we were even on the same squadron together in 1983!
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Glad to hear it
Hi "A the B",
If all is how you say it is with the students, then I am delighted to hear it!
However, be careful, do not post full names on this forum as you can be sued for libel and PPRuNe may be required by court order to say who you really are.
I have no idea who the "aged" GI's are, certainly when I left the guys were all experienced and, all but one, certificated. The ACGI was the only one not locally certificated but I am sure he could quickly resolve that issue as he was a very knowledgable, experienced and committed instructor.
The only certification issue remaining is who can teach the Instrument Ground School. After my departure, AG was the only IGI left at AAA; if he is gone, then the only instructors qualified to teach the INST are the CFI's who have the Instrument Instructor rating. It can be argued from #61 regs that a GI with the Advanced Rating can teach anything; however, the test for this rating is pitched at the commercial certificate and does not involve either the IR or ATP. I (and I am sure CARC) would argue, therefore, that without the IGI, a GI is neither qualified to teach the IR nor the Instrument portion of the ATP.
Your comments about the lady manager are both unkind and inaccurate; she was a founding member of the team. She worked 24/7 to help the cadets - she may not have been the best manager, her personality was too quiet and introverted - but her dedication and work ethic could not be faulted. Whether she has another job or not is irrelevant - you should know how hard it is to find work as a female CFI!
Lastly, thank you for your kind comments about me and I hope all goes well with you and your colleagues at AAA.
If all is how you say it is with the students, then I am delighted to hear it!
However, be careful, do not post full names on this forum as you can be sued for libel and PPRuNe may be required by court order to say who you really are.
I have no idea who the "aged" GI's are, certainly when I left the guys were all experienced and, all but one, certificated. The ACGI was the only one not locally certificated but I am sure he could quickly resolve that issue as he was a very knowledgable, experienced and committed instructor.
The only certification issue remaining is who can teach the Instrument Ground School. After my departure, AG was the only IGI left at AAA; if he is gone, then the only instructors qualified to teach the INST are the CFI's who have the Instrument Instructor rating. It can be argued from #61 regs that a GI with the Advanced Rating can teach anything; however, the test for this rating is pitched at the commercial certificate and does not involve either the IR or ATP. I (and I am sure CARC) would argue, therefore, that without the IGI, a GI is neither qualified to teach the IR nor the Instrument portion of the ATP.
Your comments about the lady manager are both unkind and inaccurate; she was a founding member of the team. She worked 24/7 to help the cadets - she may not have been the best manager, her personality was too quiet and introverted - but her dedication and work ethic could not be faulted. Whether she has another job or not is irrelevant - you should know how hard it is to find work as a female CFI!
Lastly, thank you for your kind comments about me and I hope all goes well with you and your colleagues at AAA.
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Guys why this topic is not ending??
Ayla is going down, all know that, Bahrain Air, Gulf Air , Oman Air, BDB
Stopped dealing with Ayla.
Take few minutes to search Google, to update yourself with the latest news.
C.Atef has a good knowledge, if not, then why he is in the MEA now ?
So please stop posting stupid threads and stop acting like a kid who is typing while crying.
We all feel sorry for Marwan, lately I read some financial from his accounting department that show Ayla is going down, not even a breakeven but huge loss.
We feel sorry for the students too, even though most of them are planning to leave Ayla after obtaining the PPL.
This is normal, it happens all over the world, bad management and misleading marketing destroys any company.
Ayla is going down, all know that, Bahrain Air, Gulf Air , Oman Air, BDB
Stopped dealing with Ayla.
Take few minutes to search Google, to update yourself with the latest news.
C.Atef has a good knowledge, if not, then why he is in the MEA now ?
So please stop posting stupid threads and stop acting like a kid who is typing while crying.
We all feel sorry for Marwan, lately I read some financial from his accounting department that show Ayla is going down, not even a breakeven but huge loss.
We feel sorry for the students too, even though most of them are planning to leave Ayla after obtaining the PPL.
This is normal, it happens all over the world, bad management and misleading marketing destroys any company.
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Hi AIM HI
In fact post # 231 & 232 have been written by some producer, so now you can imagine about his products who are likely to be in the markets in the near future.
They use such type of language so that the Web Master close this Thread. This gentleman or most probably lady (90 % probability is that the poster is one of the two ladies) should refrain from using such un-parliamentary words. You know only one such word used by the AAA Management in Bahrain on the 13th of October this year has resulted in no more student from that Country for Ayla.
Instead of using such words, they should logically prove that the writer concerned is wrong. However, their culture allows them to use such un-wanted words.
Also their IT Department must be capable to know the IP Address of the writer. A mere but stupid guess can' t allow them to defame some one.
They use such type of language so that the Web Master close this Thread. This gentleman or most probably lady (90 % probability is that the poster is one of the two ladies) should refrain from using such un-parliamentary words. You know only one such word used by the AAA Management in Bahrain on the 13th of October this year has resulted in no more student from that Country for Ayla.
Instead of using such words, they should logically prove that the writer concerned is wrong. However, their culture allows them to use such un-wanted words.
Also their IT Department must be capable to know the IP Address of the writer. A mere but stupid guess can' t allow them to defame some one.
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Well, regardless of what may happen and what is going on at the moment and later on in the academy's future. What has happened in the past is the result of the future's happening as such, is backed up by what has happened for the OJAQ Delta course which I wish for them to graduate with the guys who joined MAA "OJAM Delta".
This is a gossip forum and I would like to share a couple of stuff from what I have heard. Ayla went over the budget they have left for this year and the students that would like to apply for the CARC exam should pay for their own hotel expenses, added up to that he would like to get paid for the extra flying hours that we took till we waited for our checkride due to lack of management; which we logged them as CPL hours. Last but not least, the most uterely, funny and hilarious part is that he started charging the instructors for the coffee hahaha!! Well, that's my fair share of gossiping for the forum, so the thread would catch upto another 20 pages.
It's fun!! C YA!!!
This is a gossip forum and I would like to share a couple of stuff from what I have heard. Ayla went over the budget they have left for this year and the students that would like to apply for the CARC exam should pay for their own hotel expenses, added up to that he would like to get paid for the extra flying hours that we took till we waited for our checkride due to lack of management; which we logged them as CPL hours. Last but not least, the most uterely, funny and hilarious part is that he started charging the instructors for the coffee hahaha!! Well, that's my fair share of gossiping for the forum, so the thread would catch upto another 20 pages.
It's fun!! C YA!!!
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he would like to get paid for the extra flying hours that we took till we waited for our checkride due to lack of management
Guys you should do something regarding this, it's totally unfair, Marwan wants to cover his loss by your money, why he just don’t declare bankruptcy
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What a long thread. Just read the headlines from each post and I think as my friend said its a gossip website. However, to clearify things, everyone knows that the academy went through a hard time and many students got screwed either in ground school or flight school. In addition, things have been moving up and down since all the management changes.
With all respect to the expats in AAA some who I also respect and appreciated their effort whilst they were here, I would say from my own point of view the following points:
1- The ground school is settled down now, if you dont belive it come and attend a class. The instructors who you are caliming that they dont have their license I think you better check with the CARC resources and find their papers because everyone of them is certified. Talking about these guys, just sit in a class with them and listen to the knowledge they have. Im sorry but they are licensed and certified and have a knowledge which I think hard to find someone with that amount of it in all Jordan academies. Dont beleive that ? give it a visit
2- OJAQ Delta !!! No one is assured whether OJAQ Delta or OJAM Delta is going to finish first, secondly there are plan to finish OJAQ guys on time and thats I guess something private in the academy and not necessary to discuss here.
3- Ayla will soon be a JAA approved facility.
4- Speaking of cutting cost or going over budget, I know its not in the students benifits in some ways but I can list more than 20 points that AAA offers to students that other FTO's dont.
5- Gulf Air meeting is an audit meeting FYI + followup for the students and that is all to insure the APPROVAL is in the right path (which no other FTO has yet, you thought there are places approved in Jordan!! Sorry too bad) so GF just wants to insure their students are doing well
6- Going bankrupt!!! Are you kidding me?
I am not in a defense of attack position here. Its just that I am speaking of what I experiece everyday. Of course there are many problems between time to time but all being solved step by step.
With all respect to the expats in AAA some who I also respect and appreciated their effort whilst they were here, I would say from my own point of view the following points:
1- The ground school is settled down now, if you dont belive it come and attend a class. The instructors who you are caliming that they dont have their license I think you better check with the CARC resources and find their papers because everyone of them is certified. Talking about these guys, just sit in a class with them and listen to the knowledge they have. Im sorry but they are licensed and certified and have a knowledge which I think hard to find someone with that amount of it in all Jordan academies. Dont beleive that ? give it a visit
2- OJAQ Delta !!! No one is assured whether OJAQ Delta or OJAM Delta is going to finish first, secondly there are plan to finish OJAQ guys on time and thats I guess something private in the academy and not necessary to discuss here.
3- Ayla will soon be a JAA approved facility.
4- Speaking of cutting cost or going over budget, I know its not in the students benifits in some ways but I can list more than 20 points that AAA offers to students that other FTO's dont.
5- Gulf Air meeting is an audit meeting FYI + followup for the students and that is all to insure the APPROVAL is in the right path (which no other FTO has yet, you thought there are places approved in Jordan!! Sorry too bad) so GF just wants to insure their students are doing well
6- Going bankrupt!!! Are you kidding me?
I am not in a defense of attack position here. Its just that I am speaking of what I experiece everyday. Of course there are many problems between time to time but all being solved step by step.
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Ayla will soon be a JAA approved facility.
guys...did you hear about such a thing?!