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I am going to joint EK with my family in the next 2 months. I kindly request some info regarding the villa and in particular the furnish option.
What do you suggest? Furnished (ikea stuff etc) or unfurnished?
How far you can go with 30000 DHR housing allowance in Dubai?
Thank you in advance,
What do you suggest? Furnished (ikea stuff etc) or unfurnished?
How far you can go with 30000 DHR housing allowance in Dubai?
Thank you in advance,
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If you are single you could just about cope with the furniture allowance. If you have a family no way, unless you ship a lot of stuff from home. Prices for furniture have rocketed up here (along with everything else) and the furniture allowance, erm, hasn't. I think it is the same now it was 5 years ago and it was inadequate to kit out a villa then.
The furniture EK provide isn't top of the range but it is better than Ikea and should last a bit longer. I would take the furniture and bring some stuff from home. Then replace the EK stuff bit by bit.
The furniture EK provide isn't top of the range but it is better than Ikea and should last a bit longer. I would take the furniture and bring some stuff from home. Then replace the EK stuff bit by bit.
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Hi guys, one other question. From the Emirates pilot briefing document it seems that you must repay the furniture allowance. Is this the case? If so,approx how much per month is this deduction.
I'm on my way down for interview. I really don't want to be disrespectful to anyone there with a few years service under their belts, but the F/O money is just a little tight. I am trying to calculate just how much I might take home, if I'm lucky enough to be offered something. As with a lot of others I've a few dependants and a mortgage elsewhere. I'm told somewhere between 4 and 5 k euros a month. Is that accurate.
Are they still running with the accelerated upgrade programme. I've have enough hrs lots PIC, all above the magical 55t. Sorry again as I don't mean to upset as I imagine that there are also qualified F/O's also ready for the jump too.
Any info would be gratefully accepted.
Best Regards
I'm on my way down for interview. I really don't want to be disrespectful to anyone there with a few years service under their belts, but the F/O money is just a little tight. I am trying to calculate just how much I might take home, if I'm lucky enough to be offered something. As with a lot of others I've a few dependants and a mortgage elsewhere. I'm told somewhere between 4 and 5 k euros a month. Is that accurate.
Are they still running with the accelerated upgrade programme. I've have enough hrs lots PIC, all above the magical 55t. Sorry again as I don't mean to upset as I imagine that there are also qualified F/O's also ready for the jump too.
Any info would be gratefully accepted.
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Hi Pimp...I think you can expect to have approx 25000 Dhs in hand on an average month all in which includes a little from the Exchange rate Protection scheme. This is with no overtime. So yeah, i would say just over 4600 Euros.
Accelerated program is still going strong. Only thing is there are more than enough 3 year guys in the system now on the 777 and Bus (plus lots and lots of accel guys) who would be ahead of you on the seniority list. I honestly don't see it likely that you will get your Command in 1 1/2 years. Expect 3 years or more.
To give you an idea, the company is presently upgarding people with a seniority number of appox 1000 on the 777. I'm not too sure how many pilots we have right now but i would think its approx 2000. If you get the job and report for duty, its probablyn gonna be closer to 2100. Now just looking at the 777 fleet, I believe at most 12 pilots get their upgrade on the Boeing in a month. Lets take 140 a year as some months it will probably be only 8 upgrades a month. Over 3 years thats 420 upgrades on the Boeing. Assume from seniority number 1000(today) to 2100(where you might fit in), half are Airbus and half are Boeing guys. That still means 550 pilots ahead of you for upgrade regardless of which fleet you get put on. So if its 550/140 a year...you 're looking at closer to 4 years for an upgrade if you join today...regardless if you have the command time or not cause everytime there is a course, there will be a 3 year FO with his name on it. That also kinda roughly fits in with the 777 fleet expansion over the next 3 years..if its 1 aircraft per month for next 3 years...36 planes...say 10 Captains per aircraft..360 Captains in 3 years.
Off course i have not taken into account resignations and Cadet Pilots. Both of them are still in small numbers so for the bigger picture, these figures should gel.
Not trying to discourage you in anyway. Just want to give you some idea of your Command prospects before you give up your present job flying aircrafts above "the magical 55t".
Green..out.
Accelerated program is still going strong. Only thing is there are more than enough 3 year guys in the system now on the 777 and Bus (plus lots and lots of accel guys) who would be ahead of you on the seniority list. I honestly don't see it likely that you will get your Command in 1 1/2 years. Expect 3 years or more.
To give you an idea, the company is presently upgarding people with a seniority number of appox 1000 on the 777. I'm not too sure how many pilots we have right now but i would think its approx 2000. If you get the job and report for duty, its probablyn gonna be closer to 2100. Now just looking at the 777 fleet, I believe at most 12 pilots get their upgrade on the Boeing in a month. Lets take 140 a year as some months it will probably be only 8 upgrades a month. Over 3 years thats 420 upgrades on the Boeing. Assume from seniority number 1000(today) to 2100(where you might fit in), half are Airbus and half are Boeing guys. That still means 550 pilots ahead of you for upgrade regardless of which fleet you get put on. So if its 550/140 a year...you 're looking at closer to 4 years for an upgrade if you join today...regardless if you have the command time or not cause everytime there is a course, there will be a 3 year FO with his name on it. That also kinda roughly fits in with the 777 fleet expansion over the next 3 years..if its 1 aircraft per month for next 3 years...36 planes...say 10 Captains per aircraft..360 Captains in 3 years.
Off course i have not taken into account resignations and Cadet Pilots. Both of them are still in small numbers so for the bigger picture, these figures should gel.
Not trying to discourage you in anyway. Just want to give you some idea of your Command prospects before you give up your present job flying aircrafts above "the magical 55t".
Green..out.
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You DO NOT repay the furniture allowance, unless you leave before 5 years (I think its 5), then you pay back the pro-rated difference. IE. if they allocate 30,000 DHS, then leave EK after 2.5 years ........... you owe them 15,000DHS. (Of course you could sell your stuff but you would only get about 1500DHS for it)
DO NOT take the company provided furniture and appliances. Just my opinion, but you can do much better than the 'solid', yet hideous stuff you get from the company. Put up with some grief for the first month or so while you shop, but over the next few years you will be much happier. I don't know how much they give now for furniture allowance but I think its about 30,000DHS or so.
A word of warning though. Accomodation department is seriously struggling with finding places for new hires. Many, many pilots are sitting FOREVER in temporary accomodations. In addition to that, if you have some problem with your allocated place......... forget about getting something different. This is in spite of the fact that we have less pilots than we need. Excellent planning !!!
DO NOT take the company provided furniture and appliances. Just my opinion, but you can do much better than the 'solid', yet hideous stuff you get from the company. Put up with some grief for the first month or so while you shop, but over the next few years you will be much happier. I don't know how much they give now for furniture allowance but I think its about 30,000DHS or so.
A word of warning though. Accomodation department is seriously struggling with finding places for new hires. Many, many pilots are sitting FOREVER in temporary accomodations. In addition to that, if you have some problem with your allocated place......... forget about getting something different. This is in spite of the fact that we have less pilots than we need. Excellent planning !!!
Thanks for clearing that up for those of us needing to know. If you take option 2 and get temp accomadations, do they still give you the allowance when you arrive? Do they give it to you when you get permanent housing?
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Temporary Accomodations
For those of you who have had the Temporary accomodations, what are they? Do they put you up in a hotel or is it some other type of furnished place?
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If you take the unfurnished option the automatically put you in temp accommodation for a week or two even if your permanent place is ready so you have somewhere to sleep. It is furnished with a few things, and its usually a 2 bedroom apartment.
One thing i do suggest though is if you take the unfurnished option at least take the starter pack. Gives you sheets, some cutlary,a few pots and pans, a small snack pack in the fridge etc.. it helps.
You can get the furnishing allowance within a few days, you just have to apply for it and they will hand you a check that you cash at the Dnata building.
One thing i do suggest though is if you take the unfurnished option at least take the starter pack. Gives you sheets, some cutlary,a few pots and pans, a small snack pack in the fridge etc.. it helps.
You can get the furnishing allowance within a few days, you just have to apply for it and they will hand you a check that you cash at the Dnata building.
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New Joiner FO from EURO zone take home pay.
Hi Broken E,
At present the ERP is based on the AED being at 4.60 to the EURO. Today’s mid market rate is 5.36 to the EURO. That’s 76 fils or a 16.5% depreciation. Your ERP is based on half your basic (10420) x 16.5% which is AED 1719.30.
So total GROSS is AED20840 + AED2730 (for 78 hours of flying) + AED1719.30= AED25289.30. Think you get about AED 100 for telephone on top.
Now I know that there are deductions...expect to pay for Medical insurance and Pilots Club fees a total of between AED200 to perhaps AED 600 depends on if you are single/married/married with kids/married with lots of kids.
Then you can expect to pay the Provident fund approx AED 1042. (This is still your money though if you stay the required amount of years)
The last and most embarrassing thing that almost all EK pilots do not include is the very poor layover meal allowance rates. Expect to get anywhere between AED 200 to over AED 3000 a month depending on the trips that you do. This is paid in cash at the station and is quite difficult to be counted towards your total package as one never really know what one is getting each month without some bit of work. Remember that in a lot of bigger airlines with good layover rates, this is sometimes banked into the pilots paycheck at the end of the month giving him a better picture of his 'total paycheck'...meal allowances included.
So that’s how I figured you could expect to have approximately AED25000 on average in hand at the end of the month (how you spend it down route is not the discussion) if you were a new joiner with your home currency based on the EURO. The key word here is average…some months you would rake it in with the overtime and other months when you are on leave, you would only be getting your basic and a little more for flying allowance.
Green...out.
At present the ERP is based on the AED being at 4.60 to the EURO. Today’s mid market rate is 5.36 to the EURO. That’s 76 fils or a 16.5% depreciation. Your ERP is based on half your basic (10420) x 16.5% which is AED 1719.30.
So total GROSS is AED20840 + AED2730 (for 78 hours of flying) + AED1719.30= AED25289.30. Think you get about AED 100 for telephone on top.
Now I know that there are deductions...expect to pay for Medical insurance and Pilots Club fees a total of between AED200 to perhaps AED 600 depends on if you are single/married/married with kids/married with lots of kids.
Then you can expect to pay the Provident fund approx AED 1042. (This is still your money though if you stay the required amount of years)
The last and most embarrassing thing that almost all EK pilots do not include is the very poor layover meal allowance rates. Expect to get anywhere between AED 200 to over AED 3000 a month depending on the trips that you do. This is paid in cash at the station and is quite difficult to be counted towards your total package as one never really know what one is getting each month without some bit of work. Remember that in a lot of bigger airlines with good layover rates, this is sometimes banked into the pilots paycheck at the end of the month giving him a better picture of his 'total paycheck'...meal allowances included.
So that’s how I figured you could expect to have approximately AED25000 on average in hand at the end of the month (how you spend it down route is not the discussion) if you were a new joiner with your home currency based on the EURO. The key word here is average…some months you would rake it in with the overtime and other months when you are on leave, you would only be getting your basic and a little more for flying allowance.
Green...out.
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Hello Broken E,
I can see you are getting more and more agitated when i state the facts and they are not what you want them to be.
Anyway, if you re-read my post once again and take the time to try and 'understand' what Pimp was asking, I was merely answering his question in the most accurate manner, using present day figures. If you have however been unable to 'weed' through the info, i have copied it here for your perusal.
As pimp said:
That's it...nothing more nothing less. Which part of "take home" don't you understand???
I'm well aware that First Year joiners from the UK are only getting approx AED 730 a month on ERP. But was that his question??? This is the way ERP works...its a running average over a fixed number of years. Its always been like this. But off course you know all this.
He asked for the figures in EURO, so i assumed his home country was in the EU. If he had said in Pounds, I would have given him different figures. The amount that he or anyone else from the EU will receive won't change dramatically for the rest of the year as the Threshold figure is fixed for 2008.
Finally, your parting shot took the cake.
Now to say that taking into account AED 20000+ more income a year (1 month salary 1st year FO) is being a fool...well, I’ll let the others reading your post make their mind up on who really is the fool.
Anyway, happy trails to you....you don't happen to have a base currency in Sterling do you...
Green out.
ps: who is my new mate anyway???
I can see you are getting more and more agitated when i state the facts and they are not what you want them to be.
Anyway, if you re-read my post once again and take the time to try and 'understand' what Pimp was asking, I was merely answering his question in the most accurate manner, using present day figures. If you have however been unable to 'weed' through the info, i have copied it here for your perusal.
As pimp said:
I am trying to calculate just how much I might take home,
I'm told somewhere between 4 and 5 k euros a month. Is that accurate.
That's it...nothing more nothing less. Which part of "take home" don't you understand???
I'm well aware that First Year joiners from the UK are only getting approx AED 730 a month on ERP. But was that his question??? This is the way ERP works...its a running average over a fixed number of years. Its always been like this. But off course you know all this.
He asked for the figures in EURO, so i assumed his home country was in the EU. If he had said in Pounds, I would have given him different figures. The amount that he or anyone else from the EU will receive won't change dramatically for the rest of the year as the Threshold figure is fixed for 2008.
Finally, your parting shot took the cake.
I say that anybody who counts ERP as a fixed part of their salary is a fool.
Now to say that taking into account AED 20000+ more income a year (1 month salary 1st year FO) is being a fool...well, I’ll let the others reading your post make their mind up on who really is the fool.
Anyway, happy trails to you....you don't happen to have a base currency in Sterling do you...
Green out.
ps: who is my new mate anyway???
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Thanks a million for the advice guys. I really appreciate it. I don't mind waiting my turn for upgrade but like most I hope it will come sonner rather than later. (Listen to me I havent even got the job yet!).
Seems from what you are saying there would be no advantage at the moment for a B737 guy to go B777 and likewise an A320 guy/gal to go A330. The wait will be the same.
I'm current on Boeing A/C at the moment. I know that they don't offer a choice but its nice to at least know whats what.
Seems from what you are saying there would be no advantage at the moment for a B737 guy to go B777 and likewise an A320 guy/gal to go A330. The wait will be the same.
I'm current on Boeing A/C at the moment. I know that they don't offer a choice but its nice to at least know whats what.
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Pimp,
One never knows what its gonna be like in EK 1 or 2 years down the road let alone 1 month down the line. At the moment it looks like the Airbus upgrades will be back on track at the end of this year and hopefully from then on, it will be the same for guys/gals regardless which fleet you are on. But this is EK...things change so fast that what i say today may not be applicable tomorrow. If you do get the job, just go with the flow. Bitching and moaning ain't gonna help anything...just puts you in a pissed off mood everytime you go to work.
Green...out
One never knows what its gonna be like in EK 1 or 2 years down the road let alone 1 month down the line. At the moment it looks like the Airbus upgrades will be back on track at the end of this year and hopefully from then on, it will be the same for guys/gals regardless which fleet you are on. But this is EK...things change so fast that what i say today may not be applicable tomorrow. If you do get the job, just go with the flow. Bitching and moaning ain't gonna help anything...just puts you in a pissed off mood everytime you go to work.
Green...out
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Thanks again, I'll just have to weigh up if I can take the loss of earnings for 4-5 years if I'm offered anything. The rest of the package seems very well balanced however.
Just for silly old me with a Pentium I processor installed upstairs. Is it the case that anyone joining now who does not join as DEC faces 4-5 years RHS?
Is it possible/probable that the Accel. upgrade programme is a thing of the past. I don't really understand, as if Emirates have so many qualified F/O's already surely the Accel. upgrade would be stalled or simply not needed.
Please dont take any offence to the wording of the last few lines as I dont wish to put words into anybodies mouth but I do value your thoughts. This is a big decision for my family and I.
By the way, if they would pay me well enough in the RHS I'd have to be beaten out of it with a rather large stick. I know this is a very sensitive issue as I know how I would feel if I had waited for upgrade and then loose out due to DEC or Accel. upgrades.
From the outside you hear so many different stories. I know pilots who have joined as DEC, Accel Upgrade, 3 year F/O upgrade, and I know some who still are F/Os. All were captains prior to joining. All, almost to a man seem to be either quite content or very happy. This I must say has shaped my opinion of UAE and Emirates. I suppose I will just have to see what they say at interview. By the way I aggree about being unhappy with ones lot. Negative thought only seems to make it worse. Been there done that .....
Thanks for all of your frank and honest opinion on earnings and upgrade,
Glass half full
PMR.
Just for silly old me with a Pentium I processor installed upstairs. Is it the case that anyone joining now who does not join as DEC faces 4-5 years RHS?
Is it possible/probable that the Accel. upgrade programme is a thing of the past. I don't really understand, as if Emirates have so many qualified F/O's already surely the Accel. upgrade would be stalled or simply not needed.
Please dont take any offence to the wording of the last few lines as I dont wish to put words into anybodies mouth but I do value your thoughts. This is a big decision for my family and I.
By the way, if they would pay me well enough in the RHS I'd have to be beaten out of it with a rather large stick. I know this is a very sensitive issue as I know how I would feel if I had waited for upgrade and then loose out due to DEC or Accel. upgrades.
From the outside you hear so many different stories. I know pilots who have joined as DEC, Accel Upgrade, 3 year F/O upgrade, and I know some who still are F/Os. All were captains prior to joining. All, almost to a man seem to be either quite content or very happy. This I must say has shaped my opinion of UAE and Emirates. I suppose I will just have to see what they say at interview. By the way I aggree about being unhappy with ones lot. Negative thought only seems to make it worse. Been there done that .....
Thanks for all of your frank and honest opinion on earnings and upgrade,
Glass half full
PMR.
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I think the acc Command thing is just there to attract Pilots who are already in the left seat. I don' t believe you get anything signed from them like "you are in the ACC Command line" it is just PR (and my personal opinion)
In Jan during their EU Roadshow they told Guys (there were most of them) who asked about ACC Command that there are currently enough F/Os ready for upgrade from within.
In my current Company I' ll be stuck in the right seat for the next 12+ years and I allready have 6 years behind me so I don' t see a problem waiting 5 or 6 years for a command at EK!
My biggest concern is my wife. Now she sais she will of course come with me to Dubai and live there. I fear that she will have a hard time making contacts and friends there especially when the housing situation becomes a bit chaotic!
I thought DSO is a nice place to live and get started because all EK pilots and families living there are fairly new and away from "home". I was hoping for a supportive and friendly environment there especially for wifes and kids.
In Jan during their EU Roadshow they told Guys (there were most of them) who asked about ACC Command that there are currently enough F/Os ready for upgrade from within.
In my current Company I' ll be stuck in the right seat for the next 12+ years and I allready have 6 years behind me so I don' t see a problem waiting 5 or 6 years for a command at EK!
My biggest concern is my wife. Now she sais she will of course come with me to Dubai and live there. I fear that she will have a hard time making contacts and friends there especially when the housing situation becomes a bit chaotic!
I thought DSO is a nice place to live and get started because all EK pilots and families living there are fairly new and away from "home". I was hoping for a supportive and friendly environment there especially for wifes and kids.
