Newsflash! Emirates is not all bad!
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Newsflash! Emirates is not all bad!
The Emirates pilots Yahoo group has a posting on it where a captain has called for broad-based support in his campaign to force the company to imake better free sandwiches.
Apparently, every time he steps on board he is handed our standard pre-departure snack but it doesn't meet with his approval. We are told that the sandwiches are "soggy" and not quite like mum used to make.
I submit that any individual who needs to dredge this far for complaint either has a degree of perfection in their life only found on Mount Olympus or seriously needs their head read.
Any guesses as to his nationality?
Apparently, every time he steps on board he is handed our standard pre-departure snack but it doesn't meet with his approval. We are told that the sandwiches are "soggy" and not quite like mum used to make.
I submit that any individual who needs to dredge this far for complaint either has a degree of perfection in their life only found on Mount Olympus or seriously needs their head read.
Any guesses as to his nationality?
I am thinking you do not get out much?
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(Yeah, probably in the office too much.)
So we know what fleet you’re on, DtP.
And from your comments, I’d also contend that you should change your user name to ‘Lost the Plot ’.
Oh, and in closing, I think he’s spot on in what he says. But in my opinion, the discussion is NOT for Pprune and I’d suggest you delete your silly post before you embarrass yourself further.
So we know what fleet you’re on, DtP.
And from your comments, I’d also contend that you should change your user name to ‘Lost the Plot ’.
Oh, and in closing, I think he’s spot on in what he says. But in my opinion, the discussion is NOT for Pprune and I’d suggest you delete your silly post before you embarrass yourself further.
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After reading “Dropp the Pilot’s” post, I’ve just gone back and re-read what the offending captain said in his Yahoo message and for the life of me, can’t see where Droppy drew his rather unusual conclusions from. Have you got some personal issues with the individual concerned, Droppy? Or is it with his nationality? (There seems to be a few among us with that problem.)
So from what I read from your post, I can only assume you disagree with what he’s saying. Or is it as you the first reply to your post suggests – you don’t get out onto the Line very often?
And if we’re going to have a vote on it, I agree with him – there’s nothing wrong with the sandwiches, just the bloody miles of unnecessary gladwrap that turns each one into mushy baby food.
So from what I read from your post, I can only assume you disagree with what he’s saying. Or is it as you the first reply to your post suggests – you don’t get out onto the Line very often?
And if we’re going to have a vote on it, I agree with him – there’s nothing wrong with the sandwiches, just the bloody miles of unnecessary gladwrap that turns each one into mushy baby food.
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Looking at Drop the Pilot posts, I agree, this man is most definitely EK OPS Management.
So for pilots looking at EK as an employer and wonder what kind of managers will be deciding on their careers, looking at DtP post will give you an insight in how this chap thinks about his colleagues.
So for pilots looking at EK as an employer and wonder what kind of managers will be deciding on their careers, looking at DtP post will give you an insight in how this chap thinks about his colleagues.
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Newsflash! Oh yes it really is that bad!
DTP
EK is a shadow of it's former self regarding Ts & Cs incl pay. It's no illusion but blindingly obvious fact. Smell the coffee old son.
PS I never eat the sambos anyway
EK is a shadow of it's former self regarding Ts & Cs incl pay. It's no illusion but blindingly obvious fact. Smell the coffee old son.
PS I never eat the sambos anyway
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Off the subject of the thread, I know, but this is addressed to ARMGAT.
Just a wild guess, ARMGAT, but should we all be saying “Welcome back to the Middle East page in your new guise, Cap56”? (You seem to have gained a few followers over the last few months, Ca… Cap.)
Getting back to the subject of the thread, I think Drop the Pilot must be the only pilot in the company who likes the “free” soggy London sandwiches – I certainly don’t, and I don’t think I’ve seen anyone eat them since they’ve been individually wrapped.
So if they’re “free”, we should just cop it sweet and be grateful, whatever state they’re in, DtP? Could you be the one who asked for them to be individually wrapped and you’re a bit miffed that someone has had the temerity to disagree with your decision?
If we’re going to have a vote for all the world to see, (and not as a private, in-house matter as the captain DtP seems to love to hate intended) I vote for “hurd ‘n’ crusty” rather than “sarin-wrapped ‘n’ soggy”.
I see soggy sandwiches as a serious reduction in my contracted Ts & Cs!!
Just a wild guess, ARMGAT, but should we all be saying “Welcome back to the Middle East page in your new guise, Cap56”? (You seem to have gained a few followers over the last few months, Ca… Cap.)
Getting back to the subject of the thread, I think Drop the Pilot must be the only pilot in the company who likes the “free” soggy London sandwiches – I certainly don’t, and I don’t think I’ve seen anyone eat them since they’ve been individually wrapped.
So if they’re “free”, we should just cop it sweet and be grateful, whatever state they’re in, DtP? Could you be the one who asked for them to be individually wrapped and you’re a bit miffed that someone has had the temerity to disagree with your decision?
If we’re going to have a vote for all the world to see, (and not as a private, in-house matter as the captain DtP seems to love to hate intended) I vote for “hurd ‘n’ crusty” rather than “sarin-wrapped ‘n’ soggy”.
I see soggy sandwiches as a serious reduction in my contracted Ts & Cs!!
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ek good inputs please , if any at all.
does anyone from ek who can say good stuff about the company or your stay in dubai.
i see too many not so nice inputs everywhere.
can someone come fwd and share a nice story for the rest of us who wanna be emirts pilot.
i see too many not so nice inputs everywhere.
can someone come fwd and share a nice story for the rest of us who wanna be emirts pilot.
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Hi Goody,
I have been here several years now and still enjoy it. The majority of the bad press on this forum comes from a very small minority. There are 1100+ pilots in EK now and as you can see there are not 1100 people knocking the company. This place is not for everybody but it is better than what I had.
There is nothing else out there that is better so dont base your decision on the crap you read on here. Emirates is like any company in the world today be it flying or non flying. It all comes down to cost cutting and economics. There is nothing myself or anyone else can do to change that. Our terms and conditions are the same industry standard for this type of work. There are pros and cons with every company. Its like politics, who ever runs the country will screw you they just do it in different ways.
Come and see for yourself. Basic psychology dictates that if the people who moan on this forum have a better offer they would have already left. Instead there is nothing better out there for the majority so they have to stay here and make everyone else miserable listening to their whining and moaning. They are welcome to have an opinion thats ok but if they dont like it then leave. I like it but thats just my opinion !
I have been here several years now and still enjoy it. The majority of the bad press on this forum comes from a very small minority. There are 1100+ pilots in EK now and as you can see there are not 1100 people knocking the company. This place is not for everybody but it is better than what I had.
There is nothing else out there that is better so dont base your decision on the crap you read on here. Emirates is like any company in the world today be it flying or non flying. It all comes down to cost cutting and economics. There is nothing myself or anyone else can do to change that. Our terms and conditions are the same industry standard for this type of work. There are pros and cons with every company. Its like politics, who ever runs the country will screw you they just do it in different ways.
Come and see for yourself. Basic psychology dictates that if the people who moan on this forum have a better offer they would have already left. Instead there is nothing better out there for the majority so they have to stay here and make everyone else miserable listening to their whining and moaning. They are welcome to have an opinion thats ok but if they dont like it then leave. I like it but thats just my opinion !
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Mate, this is more for for my benefit than yours, here goes my take on EK.
Been here since Google started up and some Southern rugby team took the world cup.
Kids go to top schools almost 100% paid by EK, no Vodaphone T-shirt preggar teen age girls, no yobbo 12-16yr old bully thugs.
All parents have half-decent jobs.
Wx is truly as described elsewhere on this site.
Golf, as much as you like for next to nothing, thanks to EPC, play top courses during summer for bargain rates.
Got 2 cars with combined engine capacity bigger than council flats.
Social life that you have to reign in, or your liver will reject you.
Sorry I didn't run spell check but have to:
Turn the bottles in the wine collection.
Go to gym over looking the sea.
Go watch 7's
Buy meat for this evenings BBQ (here people only eat fillet)
Book Friday brunch (maid's day off, so got to eat out for lesss than 30 quid for entire family - incl. booze)
O, almost forgot to pay the living in maid there, #300 pound @ month, little extra for all the baby sitting due to above social life.
Almost forgot the gardener, he is 40 pound/ mnth for a daily visit.
Got to check provident fund, a disaster, standing at 135000 us.
Got to phone EMAAR to fix some problems in the house I bought, the thing has only grown 55% in 9 mnths, bother!!
Got to check on the flats in UK.
Got to book French holiday house for this summer.
The Missus wants a convertable now, got to check paper, will keep the above 2 massive cars for camping in the desert and the convert for winter months (never had 3 cars back home)
Well thats it, recovering from last night, not working for 8 straight days now, that's in 2nd bottom bid group.
Come join us, even as a DEC, these guys will not say anything to your face, their form of rudeness to you will be taking the best pre-dep sandwiches, without giving you (the bad DEC) a choice.
Hope that helps.
Dubbel nul
Mate, this is more for for my benefit than yours, here goes my take on EK.
Been here since Google started up and some Southern rugby team took the world cup.
Kids go to top schools almost 100% paid by EK, no Vodaphone T-shirt preggar teen age girls, no yobbo 12-16yr old bully thugs.
All parents have half-decent jobs.
Wx is truly as described elsewhere on this site.
Golf, as much as you like for next to nothing, thanks to EPC, play top courses during summer for bargain rates.
Got 2 cars with combined engine capacity bigger than council flats.
Social life that you have to reign in, or your liver will reject you.
Sorry I didn't run spell check but have to:
Turn the bottles in the wine collection.
Go to gym over looking the sea.
Go watch 7's
Buy meat for this evenings BBQ (here people only eat fillet)
Book Friday brunch (maid's day off, so got to eat out for lesss than 30 quid for entire family - incl. booze)
O, almost forgot to pay the living in maid there, #300 pound @ month, little extra for all the baby sitting due to above social life.
Almost forgot the gardener, he is 40 pound/ mnth for a daily visit.
Got to check provident fund, a disaster, standing at 135000 us.
Got to phone EMAAR to fix some problems in the house I bought, the thing has only grown 55% in 9 mnths, bother!!
Got to check on the flats in UK.
Got to book French holiday house for this summer.
The Missus wants a convertable now, got to check paper, will keep the above 2 massive cars for camping in the desert and the convert for winter months (never had 3 cars back home)
Well thats it, recovering from last night, not working for 8 straight days now, that's in 2nd bottom bid group.
Come join us, even as a DEC, these guys will not say anything to your face, their form of rudeness to you will be taking the best pre-dep sandwiches, without giving you (the bad DEC) a choice.
Hope that helps.
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Goddy Uppy and bultril,
Bravo Bravo Bravo!!!!!
I too get sick to death hearing the constant whining from a small percentage of disruptive counter productive folk in EK.
I love the place, have always wanted to work for EK and wake every day still amazed that I have a job as good as this.
Anyone from down under, please open up some of the local southern media and talk to the guys down there who have to now buy their endorsements, and sit on lousy wages for ever and await an upgrade in say conservatively 5 to 10 years.
Not to mention tax, rent, education.......
Hmmmm.... I think I'll stick with EK.
Bravo Bravo Bravo!!!!!
I too get sick to death hearing the constant whining from a small percentage of disruptive counter productive folk in EK.
I love the place, have always wanted to work for EK and wake every day still amazed that I have a job as good as this.
Anyone from down under, please open up some of the local southern media and talk to the guys down there who have to now buy their endorsements, and sit on lousy wages for ever and await an upgrade in say conservatively 5 to 10 years.
Not to mention tax, rent, education.......
Hmmmm.... I think I'll stick with EK.
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Run for cover guys. Those are blasphemous words in the ears of Quod and a few others. Let's face it, not everyone makes a good expat, so some find it easier to complain and be consumed by the slightest of things, rather than make the best of it while it lasts. Life is unfair, get over it, relax and enjoy it whilst you have it. In the grand scheme of things, EK and Dubai aint half bad.
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Finally some of the majority coming on here and talking sense.
I have just had a pm from a person who shall remain anonymous telling me that I was blaspheming by saying that we were creating a false impression to the would be joiners.
Listen, if you dont think you are paid enough in EK then leave. If you find a better job and think it would be better than here.... guess what ......leave (but let us know what the job is) Just stop moaning. I have heard less moaning at a pensioners knitting club. I have to say that more money would be nice. But is it ever enough. I could earn 100,000 dhs a month and it would not be enough. You work for an arab company and no matter how much you moan nothing will change until THEY want it to.
As my colleagues say above; you get a salary, school fees, housing allowance, medical, dental subsidised travel, a choice of rostering, a choice of leave, provident fund etc all paid for. I never got any of this in my last job. I had to beg for a day off (before having to lick the bottom of the lake clean with my tongue......) It is not perfect, but what is. What is the definition of perfect now in the career you have chosen. Someone told me that United pilots were getting 420,000 US a year. They have just opted for a 35% pay cut. A 50% cut is still about 3 times what I earn. Nothing is perfect, I bet there are people in United moaning about the money. In fact worrying about whether their job will be there next year. This is only MY opinion, I like it here, I like the weather, the lifestyle and the flying. I think the package could be better, but it could be worse. I still earn less than I did in my last company and that is from several years ago. My lifestyle however is 100 times better. I have now got 2 new cars which not only can I afford but even afford the petrol. What we pay for a gallon here the Brits pay for a litre. Lets talk about taxes............in fact lets not.
Look you can have an opinion, but sitting here moaning is not doing you, or anyone else that actually likes it here, any favours. I will have immense respect for you if you dont like it to polish off the old cv and leave. But to sit and moan ??
Enough, I have some overtime to earn now. I think this one will pocket me 2500 dhs this month. Could be better......but better than nothing eh?.
To 00bultril; I have to say I think you are paying both the housemaid and the gardner a little too much. !!
I have just had a pm from a person who shall remain anonymous telling me that I was blaspheming by saying that we were creating a false impression to the would be joiners.
Listen, if you dont think you are paid enough in EK then leave. If you find a better job and think it would be better than here.... guess what ......leave (but let us know what the job is) Just stop moaning. I have heard less moaning at a pensioners knitting club. I have to say that more money would be nice. But is it ever enough. I could earn 100,000 dhs a month and it would not be enough. You work for an arab company and no matter how much you moan nothing will change until THEY want it to.
As my colleagues say above; you get a salary, school fees, housing allowance, medical, dental subsidised travel, a choice of rostering, a choice of leave, provident fund etc all paid for. I never got any of this in my last job. I had to beg for a day off (before having to lick the bottom of the lake clean with my tongue......) It is not perfect, but what is. What is the definition of perfect now in the career you have chosen. Someone told me that United pilots were getting 420,000 US a year. They have just opted for a 35% pay cut. A 50% cut is still about 3 times what I earn. Nothing is perfect, I bet there are people in United moaning about the money. In fact worrying about whether their job will be there next year. This is only MY opinion, I like it here, I like the weather, the lifestyle and the flying. I think the package could be better, but it could be worse. I still earn less than I did in my last company and that is from several years ago. My lifestyle however is 100 times better. I have now got 2 new cars which not only can I afford but even afford the petrol. What we pay for a gallon here the Brits pay for a litre. Lets talk about taxes............in fact lets not.
Look you can have an opinion, but sitting here moaning is not doing you, or anyone else that actually likes it here, any favours. I will have immense respect for you if you dont like it to polish off the old cv and leave. But to sit and moan ??
Enough, I have some overtime to earn now. I think this one will pocket me 2500 dhs this month. Could be better......but better than nothing eh?.
To 00bultril; I have to say I think you are paying both the housemaid and the gardner a little too much. !!
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OObultril,
You've obviously ridden EK on the way up and are content to ride it on the way down. You have your command & have done very well out of it and again; good for you. That was what many should and continue to expect when joining. BUT IT HAS CHANGED.
Schools are not 100% available or 100% paid for...
8 Days off are the exception and not the rule...
Commands are under threat by the DECs you would so like to see and you belittle their impact by quotes such as the most they can expect as a response on the flight deck is the F/Os food... Yes there are those who wait 10-15 years for a command in other companies, but they are on command salaries well before their commands as senior F/Os, ask TCAS.
2 cars and another on the way...flats...good on you. A home in the desert...fantastic...you are alright Jack. But do you really believe that you represent the NORM Jack?
EK has worked for you and it would seem that you have been largely unaffected by recent changes...great. Many pilots like you have stood by and watched as T & Cs changed in other companies content to let other whiners try and do something about it, happy to accept any outcome but as long as you are OK...well that's OK, stuff anyone else.
As for Vages comment about being a 'good expat' then I guess we will have to take a leaf out of OOs book and not complain or get consumed with issues that has and will change our lives here. Just practice touching your toes down at the gym which has a view of the sea in anticipation of the next shafting. And when EK is eventually trashed i guess you will move on and help passively destroy another company or just retire on your winnings.
Yep, life is unfair but it can be a little less unfair if some could accept that things are not going well and something has to be done like trying to standing your ground and not accept that things will only get worse.
You've obviously ridden EK on the way up and are content to ride it on the way down. You have your command & have done very well out of it and again; good for you. That was what many should and continue to expect when joining. BUT IT HAS CHANGED.
Schools are not 100% available or 100% paid for...
8 Days off are the exception and not the rule...
Commands are under threat by the DECs you would so like to see and you belittle their impact by quotes such as the most they can expect as a response on the flight deck is the F/Os food... Yes there are those who wait 10-15 years for a command in other companies, but they are on command salaries well before their commands as senior F/Os, ask TCAS.
2 cars and another on the way...flats...good on you. A home in the desert...fantastic...you are alright Jack. But do you really believe that you represent the NORM Jack?
EK has worked for you and it would seem that you have been largely unaffected by recent changes...great. Many pilots like you have stood by and watched as T & Cs changed in other companies content to let other whiners try and do something about it, happy to accept any outcome but as long as you are OK...well that's OK, stuff anyone else.
As for Vages comment about being a 'good expat' then I guess we will have to take a leaf out of OOs book and not complain or get consumed with issues that has and will change our lives here. Just practice touching your toes down at the gym which has a view of the sea in anticipation of the next shafting. And when EK is eventually trashed i guess you will move on and help passively destroy another company or just retire on your winnings.
Yep, life is unfair but it can be a little less unfair if some could accept that things are not going well and something has to be done like trying to standing your ground and not accept that things will only get worse.
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I think Emirates is still one of the top airlines in the business. Its much better than many other carrier-Many know that thats why they dont leave or complain.
I think when some of you were living in your home country-did you spend the same amount of your time to badmouth your company you used to work for-dont think so. I think the biggest issue for some is that in their oppinion the company is run by foreigners not by their countrymen as it should.
It seems to be that upgrading is a big argument at emirates. Well at some companies it takes 10-15 years-No complaints there. And it seems after reading some of the posts that some pilots may not be even mature enough for the left seat.(Experience is not everything) Ok enough, but just take a look how many positive post you find about your company within the last 2 months-not many. It cant all be that bad.
HS
I think when some of you were living in your home country-did you spend the same amount of your time to badmouth your company you used to work for-dont think so. I think the biggest issue for some is that in their oppinion the company is run by foreigners not by their countrymen as it should.
It seems to be that upgrading is a big argument at emirates. Well at some companies it takes 10-15 years-No complaints there. And it seems after reading some of the posts that some pilots may not be even mature enough for the left seat.(Experience is not everything) Ok enough, but just take a look how many positive post you find about your company within the last 2 months-not many. It cant all be that bad.
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Life is ok here until:
Your shiny 4x4 gets trashed by some fool and you end up with the pink slip, or worse in jail;
You find yourself in the office fighting for your job because persons unknown wrote a report on you for some imagined misdemeanour;
You have a common mole diagnosed as cancer and spend several worrying weeks before finally getting an informed overseas opinion;
Your house is burgled but you end up in jail because the police found that your liquor license had expired;
You are assaulted in Satwa, report it to the police and end up in jail for fighting;
Every month you find it harder to cope financially because your salary is in US$ and falls well behind inflation;
Your brand new house in the Meadows starts developing serious cracks and nobody wants to take responsibility;
etc etc.
There is a darker side to life in Dubai, and it relates to control over one's life. Those that think they are in control are lucky. Deluded but lucky.
00bultril: Inviting more DECs? You show a disregard for your fellow pilots to the extent that you must be management.
Judging by the opinions of the guys I fly with, the numbers of disgruntled pilots in this ailine does not constitute a minority. Quite the opposite.
Your shiny 4x4 gets trashed by some fool and you end up with the pink slip, or worse in jail;
You find yourself in the office fighting for your job because persons unknown wrote a report on you for some imagined misdemeanour;
You have a common mole diagnosed as cancer and spend several worrying weeks before finally getting an informed overseas opinion;
Your house is burgled but you end up in jail because the police found that your liquor license had expired;
You are assaulted in Satwa, report it to the police and end up in jail for fighting;
Every month you find it harder to cope financially because your salary is in US$ and falls well behind inflation;
Your brand new house in the Meadows starts developing serious cracks and nobody wants to take responsibility;
etc etc.
There is a darker side to life in Dubai, and it relates to control over one's life. Those that think they are in control are lucky. Deluded but lucky.
00bultril: Inviting more DECs? You show a disregard for your fellow pilots to the extent that you must be management.
Judging by the opinions of the guys I fly with, the numbers of disgruntled pilots in this ailine does not constitute a minority. Quite the opposite.
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If your so happy with your lot, why waste all that time you could be using playing golf and for shopping for your fourth car trolling through prune? It's also entirely possible that this burst of unbridled optimism represents only the tiny minority of people that are truly happy. But good on you guys for being positive.