VISION THREAD (other than colour vision)
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I fly with prescription sunglasses. I am mildy short sighted so the type of frames that I could choose from was pretty vast as the lenses are as thin as non prescription sunnies. I normally fly with a pair of prescription Ray Bans, which have a brown lens in. I have found brown to be a good option as they arn't ridiculously dark. I haven't had any problems adapting from outside to inside the cockpit with them.
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balhambob,
I wouldn't get too worried or worked up about it. If you have to wear spectacles to fly your medical certificate will normall require you to carry a spare pair with you. I used to wear prescription varifocal sunglasses, but for some years now I have been wearing varifocal contact lenses which I find absolutely great. I still carry my spectacles with me in my little flight bag, but it means the range of sunglasses available is much wider. I work and fly helicopters in the tropics near the equator, so I have one pair of darker lenses for really bright days and another of lighter lenses for more overcast days. I personally prefer a brown tinted lens as I find it improves visibility especially when there's a lot of dust in the air. I have a pair of Oakley Whiskers which are nice and light and with then side arms which don't affect the performance of my ENC headset too much, and my lighter lenses are Serengeti drivers gradient lenses which I have had for many years and find brilliant. I often wear sunglasses for up to 7 or 8 hours a day and find both pairs comfortable for long periods of wear.
I wouldn't get too worried or worked up about it. If you have to wear spectacles to fly your medical certificate will normall require you to carry a spare pair with you. I used to wear prescription varifocal sunglasses, but for some years now I have been wearing varifocal contact lenses which I find absolutely great. I still carry my spectacles with me in my little flight bag, but it means the range of sunglasses available is much wider. I work and fly helicopters in the tropics near the equator, so I have one pair of darker lenses for really bright days and another of lighter lenses for more overcast days. I personally prefer a brown tinted lens as I find it improves visibility especially when there's a lot of dust in the air. I have a pair of Oakley Whiskers which are nice and light and with then side arms which don't affect the performance of my ENC headset too much, and my lighter lenses are Serengeti drivers gradient lenses which I have had for many years and find brilliant. I often wear sunglasses for up to 7 or 8 hours a day and find both pairs comfortable for long periods of wear.
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Troops,
You will by now have noted that our CEDAR thread has been pulled.
However, the wheels have already been set in motion - we are moving forward at a rapid rate of knots - and there are numerous media other than this for continuing our campaign.
Heads up.
You will by now have noted that our CEDAR thread has been pulled.
However, the wheels have already been set in motion - we are moving forward at a rapid rate of knots - and there are numerous media other than this for continuing our campaign.
Heads up.
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I was told my the CAA that grey ones that are neutrally tinted were the best and recommended so i have ordered myslef up a pair of prescription sunglasses to this spec.
Raybans .. awesome These babies are curved so even stop the light getting into the corner of my eyes
Raybans .. awesome These babies are curved so even stop the light getting into the corner of my eyes
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Yeah, a lot of aviation authorities say that grey tinted lenses do not distort colours, but brown tints are still the best for actually enhancing visibility, especially in dust or conditions of lower light transference - hey but what do I know, just a silly old sod who's been flying more than a couple of years
Raybans are perfectly adequate medium spec sunglasses and perfectly fitted for any flying task.
Raybans are perfectly adequate medium spec sunglasses and perfectly fitted for any flying task.
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Just a quick question. Wearing contact lenses, I heard you need some letter from the optician saying that you have worn them (and can wear) them for at least 8 hours a day. Is that so? I'm referring to the Medical Class 1 test.
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If you perform a Class 1 jaa examination in your mother country an they only said that you fail with some reasons, but you didin t received a "Notification of Medical Certificate Denial" for more than 3 years until now and in the meanwhile you perform in other JAA country the inicials exams again and you didn t meantion that you fail but you pass without limitations ...
In the next time you could like to return to the mother country and do again the revalidation class 1 , you need to say that you already had been denied an certificate????? or don t say nothing??
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In the next time you could like to return to the mother country and do again the revalidation class 1 , you need to say that you already had been denied an certificate????? or don t say nothing??
txs
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CEDAR
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11) FlyerChris
Hi chaps, great forum. I have been battling this restriction for the best part of 21 years!! I have been instructing for the last 19 years and have a JAR CPL/IR ME FI SE/ME 7000hrs. I'm currently earning a good living out of flying instuction but would dearly love to advance my skills and spend the next 20years flying airliners around the world. I've never given up hope. Like everyone else my medical is resricted to daylight non public transport flights and is NOT restricted to VFR; indeed i teach instrument flying on a daily basis under IFR. I also hold an Australian CPL which is unrestricted provided that flights are within Australian airspace.
I have pretty much failed every colour vision test in the book, some by a narrow margin. I have never had a problem with colours in aviation and regularly use the PAPIs as a back up on instument runways without any problems whatsoever. I even advise students with normal colour vision when they are not adhearing to the glidepath using the PAPI system, how bizarre is that! That just proves it all.
I participated in the City Uni colour vision test on behalf of the CAA and was diagnosed as a mild to moderate protanamolous trichromate. I found the PAPI test easy and quite practical.
The time has come for a change, a fair and just change that the residents of the USA and Australia have enjoyed for many years. Keep up the good work!
FlyerChris.
11) FlyerChris
Hi chaps, great forum. I have been battling this restriction for the best part of 21 years!! I have been instructing for the last 19 years and have a JAR CPL/IR ME FI SE/ME 7000hrs. I'm currently earning a good living out of flying instuction but would dearly love to advance my skills and spend the next 20years flying airliners around the world. I've never given up hope. Like everyone else my medical is resricted to daylight non public transport flights and is NOT restricted to VFR; indeed i teach instrument flying on a daily basis under IFR. I also hold an Australian CPL which is unrestricted provided that flights are within Australian airspace.
I have pretty much failed every colour vision test in the book, some by a narrow margin. I have never had a problem with colours in aviation and regularly use the PAPIs as a back up on instument runways without any problems whatsoever. I even advise students with normal colour vision when they are not adhearing to the glidepath using the PAPI system, how bizarre is that! That just proves it all.
I participated in the City Uni colour vision test on behalf of the CAA and was diagnosed as a mild to moderate protanamolous trichromate. I found the PAPI test easy and quite practical.
The time has come for a change, a fair and just change that the residents of the USA and Australia have enjoyed for many years. Keep up the good work!
FlyerChris.
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I have had and failed every 'aviation colour test' ever invented and I left the UK 15 years ago after being denied a class 1.
I currently have an Australian class 1 medical restricted to Australian airspace only (and CPL only not ATPL) and have CPL(A) and CPL(H). Thanks go to Dr Pape when he took the aviation authority to court. I have been flying 24 years and never had a problem with colours except in the 'tests'.
The 'tests' use colours that are within those wavelengths that confuse us colour cripples. They are designed to fail us - dont waste to much time hoping to pass them. Ofcourse in real life these colours are not used in real lights otherwise we would have all suffered nasty driving collisions at traffic lights wouldnt we.
Now like the original criminal exports from the UK I am condemned to Australia
(which aint too bad
I currently have an Australian class 1 medical restricted to Australian airspace only (and CPL only not ATPL) and have CPL(A) and CPL(H). Thanks go to Dr Pape when he took the aviation authority to court. I have been flying 24 years and never had a problem with colours except in the 'tests'.
The 'tests' use colours that are within those wavelengths that confuse us colour cripples. They are designed to fail us - dont waste to much time hoping to pass them. Ofcourse in real life these colours are not used in real lights otherwise we would have all suffered nasty driving collisions at traffic lights wouldnt we.
Now like the original criminal exports from the UK I am condemned to Australia
(which aint too bad
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Hey
I've got a great idea.
You've heard of heart/lung/liver transplants right?
So how about eye transplants !!!
Im sorry if this is a stupid comment, but my utter frustration is driving me to despair !!!
Its typical when my brother who isnt colourblind has never had any intention whatsoever of becoming a pilot !!!
But hey, thats nature !!!
I've got a great idea.
You've heard of heart/lung/liver transplants right?
So how about eye transplants !!!
Im sorry if this is a stupid comment, but my utter frustration is driving me to despair !!!
Its typical when my brother who isnt colourblind has never had any intention whatsoever of becoming a pilot !!!
But hey, thats nature !!!
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They are wot some people call FLOATERS. they are cells which are formed inside the eye. Can be caused by retina detatchment although can be caused by other minor factors such as burst vessels and small knock to the head.
Cant fix them, I have heaps.
But you may want to get them checked out to see if your retinas isnt detachting, then that is a problem.
Cant fix them, I have heaps.
But you may want to get them checked out to see if your retinas isnt detachting, then that is a problem.
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Class 1 Renewal
Hi everyone!
I have a couple of questions if someone wouldn't mind helping. I have checked CAA's website but cannot find answers to these questions, and unfortunately the CAA Aeromedical Centre is closed over the weekend and I cannot get hold of my AME until late next week.
I recently went for a Class 1 renewal but was referred to an optician because the AME felt I may be slightly short sighted. I went to an optician the next day and yes I am now slightly short sighted but enough to warrant glasses or contact lenses for Class 1 purposes. I was asked by the optician to consult the CAA before purchasing glasses or contact lenses so as to ensure they are suitable for flying.
If I remember correctly from groundschool, I will be required to carry two pairs of glasses (not including prescription sunglasses). I presume carrying prescription sunglasses in addition to the two others is not required, but desirable. Also if I opt for contact lenses and wear those during flying, do I still need to carry two pairs of normal glasses, or does this reduce to one pair?
I am also a bit puzzled on all the options being offered by the optician, such as anti-glare and hard coating, tinting (light transmission factor and light absorption factor) and polarising lenses. I am told that polarising lenses offer 100% glare reduction and 100% UV protection, but if I remember correctly, polarising lenses are not suitable for flying. I presume tinted lenses are also not permitted, but that the anti-glare and hard coating service would be permissable.
One last thing, I presume the AME will not revalidate my Class 1 until he sees both the prescription and the glasses. I ask because the optician says the glasses could take around a week to make, and whilst obviously I will not fly, I wonder if the AME will revalidate my Class 1 on the prescription alone (and thereby mark my certificate) without needing to see me with my glasses on.
If anyone could shed any light on this, it would be much appreciated.
Thank you.
I have a couple of questions if someone wouldn't mind helping. I have checked CAA's website but cannot find answers to these questions, and unfortunately the CAA Aeromedical Centre is closed over the weekend and I cannot get hold of my AME until late next week.
I recently went for a Class 1 renewal but was referred to an optician because the AME felt I may be slightly short sighted. I went to an optician the next day and yes I am now slightly short sighted but enough to warrant glasses or contact lenses for Class 1 purposes. I was asked by the optician to consult the CAA before purchasing glasses or contact lenses so as to ensure they are suitable for flying.
If I remember correctly from groundschool, I will be required to carry two pairs of glasses (not including prescription sunglasses). I presume carrying prescription sunglasses in addition to the two others is not required, but desirable. Also if I opt for contact lenses and wear those during flying, do I still need to carry two pairs of normal glasses, or does this reduce to one pair?
I am also a bit puzzled on all the options being offered by the optician, such as anti-glare and hard coating, tinting (light transmission factor and light absorption factor) and polarising lenses. I am told that polarising lenses offer 100% glare reduction and 100% UV protection, but if I remember correctly, polarising lenses are not suitable for flying. I presume tinted lenses are also not permitted, but that the anti-glare and hard coating service would be permissable.
One last thing, I presume the AME will not revalidate my Class 1 until he sees both the prescription and the glasses. I ask because the optician says the glasses could take around a week to make, and whilst obviously I will not fly, I wonder if the AME will revalidate my Class 1 on the prescription alone (and thereby mark my certificate) without needing to see me with my glasses on.
If anyone could shed any light on this, it would be much appreciated.
Thank you.
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So, VCL means daytime only! Oops; I tought it was "needs Vision Contact Lenses" or something, which I do wear. I did already a few hours nighttime PPL with an instructor, better warn him.
I also have "VDL" on my medical, anyone can explain what that means? I hope there are no other surprises for me.
I also have "VDL" on my medical, anyone can explain what that means? I hope there are no other surprises for me.
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Binocular and Monocular Vision
After serious eye infection I have 7/6 and 6/9 vision in my left and right eye respectively. The 6/9 vision can not be corrected with glasses or a contact lens. I am presently employed by an airline.
What is the minimum vision required for a class I and II JAR license?
Any cockpit crew flying who had a cornea transplant? I am interested in the vision attained after the transplant and the amount of time spent on the ground after the procedure.
What is the minimum vision required for a class I and II JAR license?
Any cockpit crew flying who had a cornea transplant? I am interested in the vision attained after the transplant and the amount of time spent on the ground after the procedure.
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Hi there - I'm not a medical practioner, AME or anything connected with the medical profession, just an ATPL holder of 20 years.
The AME should not need to see the prescription for your specs. - I've never been asked to produce one. As long as you can read the sight chart and pass all the tests at the examination, they should issue the certificate. It will be stamped with one of two things - must wear specs Or must wear specs AND carry a spare pair - it depends on the level of visual deficiency.
Contact lenses can be worn, but a spare pair of specs have to be carried in case the lenses are dropped and lost.
Tinted lenses, etc. are OK but don't work behind the windscreen of an aircraft due to the design of the windscreen.
The AME should not need to see the prescription for your specs. - I've never been asked to produce one. As long as you can read the sight chart and pass all the tests at the examination, they should issue the certificate. It will be stamped with one of two things - must wear specs Or must wear specs AND carry a spare pair - it depends on the level of visual deficiency.
Contact lenses can be worn, but a spare pair of specs have to be carried in case the lenses are dropped and lost.
Tinted lenses, etc. are OK but don't work behind the windscreen of an aircraft due to the design of the windscreen.