VISION THREAD (other than colour vision)
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Hey all,I'm form Greece and I've been watching this forum for a long now and i have read most of the threads here, even the old ones in part one. As you guess I have a CVD myself and I want someday to become an airline pilot. I currently am at university studying but i have started already my PPL training.
When I found out that this would be a problem for my further training i went to a doctor (AME) to tell me about these and how it would affect me. He tested me at isihara plate where I failed almost all of them and then I did the HW (type A) and I passed. I found it quite easy. I did 2 mistakes in three runs, and I think those mistakes were because of my fear failing the test. what i want to say is that the AME I went was a very expirenced doctor and was previously an AME for FAA. she really helped me to Pass the test. I think that not being more than 2 meters away form the lights was decisive for me.
Anyway I have one question, now that I'm assesed "colour safe" from an APRROVED JAA AME will this be valid if i want to do my training in an other JAA country? and if no, if i do my training here in GREECE and acquire my fATPL, this will be valid in other JAA countries right? It would be very
if not...
When I found out that this would be a problem for my further training i went to a doctor (AME) to tell me about these and how it would affect me. He tested me at isihara plate where I failed almost all of them and then I did the HW (type A) and I passed. I found it quite easy. I did 2 mistakes in three runs, and I think those mistakes were because of my fear failing the test. what i want to say is that the AME I went was a very expirenced doctor and was previously an AME for FAA. she really helped me to Pass the test. I think that not being more than 2 meters away form the lights was decisive for me.
Anyway I have one question, now that I'm assesed "colour safe" from an APRROVED JAA AME will this be valid if i want to do my training in an other JAA country? and if no, if i do my training here in GREECE and acquire my fATPL, this will be valid in other JAA countries right? It would be very
if not...
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Wwwaaaaafflllee
Neo, Im really sorry to hear about you failing the tests, but theres no harm in going to gatwick. Like I said there really nice there.
I also made the mistake of not sleeping enough, and rushing round, getting stressed, and not eating.
Keep fit and alert, it might sound basic, and maybe, a bit obvious, but i wish i had.
I found the reds really clear, but the green and white where a night mare, they started to blur towards the end, but maybe if your more alert, you'll find it easier "on the eye".
How far are you with your ppl?
I have 23 Hours, had a interesting flight yesterday.
After doing spins, and VNE dives, we got back on the ground, after closing down, pulled the controls and the trim cable snapped, glad that didnt happen in the spin.
Loving the flying and good luck to everyone, with or without a licence, lets not let the fact we cant see colours get us down.
Even though i can see the papi's and runway, and nav lights, its just the tests say i cant, in a real life situation i can, sorry to waffle, i need to get it out.
CHeers for listening.
Matt
I also made the mistake of not sleeping enough, and rushing round, getting stressed, and not eating.
Keep fit and alert, it might sound basic, and maybe, a bit obvious, but i wish i had.
I found the reds really clear, but the green and white where a night mare, they started to blur towards the end, but maybe if your more alert, you'll find it easier "on the eye".
How far are you with your ppl?
I have 23 Hours, had a interesting flight yesterday.
After doing spins, and VNE dives, we got back on the ground, after closing down, pulled the controls and the trim cable snapped, glad that didnt happen in the spin.
Loving the flying and good luck to everyone, with or without a licence, lets not let the fact we cant see colours get us down.
Even though i can see the papi's and runway, and nav lights, its just the tests say i cant, in a real life situation i can, sorry to waffle, i need to get it out.
CHeers for listening.
Matt
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I'm not telling you, Matt, 'cos I just know you'll turn up and run back and forth across the threshold bollock naked with a length of burning paper sticking out of your ar**, just to put me off on the flapless landing.
Well, let me warn you now that the prop can be used for more than just tugging the plane through the air.
Or even worse, all you ****** (he says lovingly) from this thread will turn up in tight lycra fluorescent suits with big pink pom poms (that should be interesting, trying to colour coordinate a bunch of CVDs) as the '2close cheerleader squad', lining the taxiway. Oooh, very scary!
I'll tell you after the event!
Well, let me warn you now that the prop can be used for more than just tugging the plane through the air.
Or even worse, all you ****** (he says lovingly) from this thread will turn up in tight lycra fluorescent suits with big pink pom poms (that should be interesting, trying to colour coordinate a bunch of CVDs) as the '2close cheerleader squad', lining the taxiway. Oooh, very scary!
I'll tell you after the event!
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Class 1 medical and hyperphoria
Hi,
Really hope that someone can advise me on this.
I have a hyperphoria of 2 prisms at 33cm and 2 prisms at 6m. At 6m i am right on the CAA limitations, at 33cm i am 1 prism over.
I have been told by the CAA to come for medical assessment for class 1 anyway as they are looking to see if i cope with it (i think by this they mean if i suffer from or am likely to suffer from double vision). However, i also read that the 33cm limit is not as important as the 6m. Can anyone verify this for me? Has anyone else suffered from this and passed? Other than this my vision was perfect and well within limitations.
I am booked in for medical on 19 July, but am finding the wait between now and then agonising!
Really hope that someone can advise me on this.
I have a hyperphoria of 2 prisms at 33cm and 2 prisms at 6m. At 6m i am right on the CAA limitations, at 33cm i am 1 prism over.
I have been told by the CAA to come for medical assessment for class 1 anyway as they are looking to see if i cope with it (i think by this they mean if i suffer from or am likely to suffer from double vision). However, i also read that the 33cm limit is not as important as the 6m. Can anyone verify this for me? Has anyone else suffered from this and passed? Other than this my vision was perfect and well within limitations.
I am booked in for medical on 19 July, but am finding the wait between now and then agonising!
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Neo -
Sorry to hear about your results at City. I too had much the same experience. I went to Gatwick anyway, mostly to try the Beyene which is supposed to be the easier of the lanterns (I didn't take Beyene at City) but unfortunately failed it. Nonetheless I'd suggest you give it a try, if you don't you'll always be wondering.
Totally agree with what TelBoy says that overcoming this barrier is only one step, the training is long, difficult and expensive. I'd advise you to start your PPL, enjoy flying and if you've got the £50-60k invest it somewhere for the meantime and keep fighting this with the rest of us!
All the best
ES
Sorry to hear about your results at City. I too had much the same experience. I went to Gatwick anyway, mostly to try the Beyene which is supposed to be the easier of the lanterns (I didn't take Beyene at City) but unfortunately failed it. Nonetheless I'd suggest you give it a try, if you don't you'll always be wondering.
Totally agree with what TelBoy says that overcoming this barrier is only one step, the training is long, difficult and expensive. I'd advise you to start your PPL, enjoy flying and if you've got the £50-60k invest it somewhere for the meantime and keep fighting this with the rest of us!
All the best
ES
and my total correction to 6/5-1, so is that better or worse than 6/6?
If your other eye was 6/75 you would barely be able to see anything. I would think it's 6/7.5, although for me the distinction has always gone from 6/6 to 6/9 in one step without any graduation between....
The first number is the number of metres away from the letter chart at which the standard eye test is performed (6m). The second number is the number of metres away from the letter chart that someone with normal vision can recognise the smallest letters. So if you have vision of 6/9, this means that you can just see at 6m what a perfect sighted person can see at 9m i.e. your vision is less than perfect. You can also have "better than perfect" - occasionally I have managed 6/5 with my right eye.
The term "20/20" is the same thing, only measurements are in feet.
6/75 would be pretty poor vision - what most people can see at 75m you could only see at 6m!
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Last time I got my eyes check I got 6/3, which my doctor was quite impressed about. I have -7.00, so I cannot get a pilots license in Europe at the moment, but I hope it will change. So for now my dream of becoming a pilot is in the USA, when I have enough money and find a good flight school.
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FAA CPL to CAA Medical
I was VERY interested to find out from another forum member that the CAA until December 2006 would give you a CAA class 1 medical on RENEWAL standards ie no CV test if you had an FAA CPL/ATP and FAA class 1 medical.
The info disapeared from their website last December. Does anyone have any up to date info on this? 2close you talk to the CAA a lot, maybe worth a dig when you see them next (oh and hope the FI went ok). I'm sure that many like me who have FAA medicals would be more than interested in this.
To look at this in perspective would actually show that our CAA would be acting on very "sensible" grounds by recognising another ICAO state aviation professional. I hope that they will.
The info disapeared from their website last December. Does anyone have any up to date info on this? 2close you talk to the CAA a lot, maybe worth a dig when you see them next (oh and hope the FI went ok). I'm sure that many like me who have FAA medicals would be more than interested in this.
To look at this in perspective would actually show that our CAA would be acting on very "sensible" grounds by recognising another ICAO state aviation professional. I hope that they will.
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Not so good on the above
Have just got hold of the old pdf that gives the process chart. If you had an ICAO CPL and class 1 medical you would need to do the "extended" revalidation, ie would not need the EEG, but would heve to do the FULL eye tests to initial standards.
I can see why they droped it now - it is only really an initial anyhow
Sorry if it got anyones hopes up.
I can see why they droped it now - it is only really an initial anyhow
Sorry if it got anyones hopes up.
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Well thats good news, if its 6/6 or better then thats all thats needed to a degree so i think i will take my test soon, as then thats the final answer i cant argue with. I will go round in Circles with opticians untill i hear what i want, least they will tell me straight, then i can get on and find another avenue in life, but i pray to god that doesnt happen...
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Thought I'd best report back to you bunch of reprobates that I passed the FI Test and have been to CAA Towers and had it added to my licence. Woo Hoo!!
But had to part with £ 108 for the privilege as well as £ 475 for the flight test!
Now on the CPL and going well. I'm also going to be doing some unpaid instructing for a few weeks whilst doing the CPL.
So keep fighting troops - I am actual living proof that even those who the powers that be have deemed as unfit to fly commercially can earn a living from aviation.
But had to part with £ 108 for the privilege as well as £ 475 for the flight test!Now on the CPL and going well. I'm also going to be doing some unpaid instructing for a few weeks whilst doing the CPL.
So keep fighting troops - I am actual living proof that even those who the powers that be have deemed as unfit to fly commercially can earn a living from aviation.
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hey, well done !
WhOOP 2 u!
So what licence do you have now?
And your instructing, wow, i cant wait till i can do that.
What path did you take?
Instructing would give me such a buzz, the look on a pupils face when they make progress and sending someone solo..... wow.... its my dream!
Well done again
Matt
WhOOP 2 u!
So what licence do you have now?
And your instructing, wow, i cant wait till i can do that.
What path did you take?
Instructing would give me such a buzz, the look on a pupils face when they make progress and sending someone solo..... wow.... its my dream!
Well done again
Matt
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Congratualtions on passing your Instructor's test 2Close, great stuff!
I read in a magazine today, that was giving course details to wannabees, that for a class 1 currently, colour blind ppl will not pass, however emphasis was placed that this is at the time of press, and they were implying that its worth ppl regularly checking the current regulations for any revision of this....first time I've read something like that, but I think others have mentioned similar things.....doesn't take much to get my hopes up lol
I read in a magazine today, that was giving course details to wannabees, that for a class 1 currently, colour blind ppl will not pass, however emphasis was placed that this is at the time of press, and they were implying that its worth ppl regularly checking the current regulations for any revision of this....first time I've read something like that, but I think others have mentioned similar things.....doesn't take much to get my hopes up lol
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Cheers guys,
To answer Matt's Qs, I have a PPL with ATPL exams completed, therefore I was able to add the FI(A) Rating to the PPL.
I've held a PPL since '92 and between then and '96 built up 175 hrs then got taken out in an accident and didn't fly again until 2004 and have built up the best part of another 300 hours since then.
I started the ATPL theory in July 2005 and was studying part time whilst working but found it was taking for ever so I did a life evaluation and concluded that I didn't want to be turning my toes up and getting ready to meet the big man whilst whinging about not having done what I really wanted to in life so I binned work last September and sat the exams in Nov 06 and Feb 07 and managed to pass all first time.
I am presently undertaking the CPL (hopefully all done within another 2 weeks) and at the same time doing some part-time, unpaid instructing on weekends for a very busy FTO which cannot get FIs for love or money.
I have a full-time, paid FI job to go to once I have the CPL but will of course be restricted to daytime instruction.
The market is very bouyant for FIs and they are going to have to start paying proper dollar to keep them soon so if you do want to fly for a living pull thumb out of bum and get a move on. If there's any truth in Neo's post re: Class 1 medicals and CVD, you don't want to miss the boat - remember the UK is the only JAA country that permits deviations for CVD on Class 1 medicals.
Thanks again guys,
2close
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To answer Matt's Qs, I have a PPL with ATPL exams completed, therefore I was able to add the FI(A) Rating to the PPL.
I've held a PPL since '92 and between then and '96 built up 175 hrs then got taken out in an accident and didn't fly again until 2004 and have built up the best part of another 300 hours since then.
I started the ATPL theory in July 2005 and was studying part time whilst working but found it was taking for ever so I did a life evaluation and concluded that I didn't want to be turning my toes up and getting ready to meet the big man whilst whinging about not having done what I really wanted to in life so I binned work last September and sat the exams in Nov 06 and Feb 07 and managed to pass all first time.
I am presently undertaking the CPL (hopefully all done within another 2 weeks) and at the same time doing some part-time, unpaid instructing on weekends for a very busy FTO which cannot get FIs for love or money.
I have a full-time, paid FI job to go to once I have the CPL but will of course be restricted to daytime instruction.
The market is very bouyant for FIs and they are going to have to start paying proper dollar to keep them soon so if you do want to fly for a living pull thumb out of bum and get a move on. If there's any truth in Neo's post re: Class 1 medicals and CVD, you don't want to miss the boat - remember the UK is the only JAA country that permits deviations for CVD on Class 1 medicals.
Thanks again guys,
2close
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Good quote 2close - don't let the b grind you down
First congratulations on your FI, I,m sure you will be an inspiration to your students.
Your life story should be an inspiration to all of us. It is very easy to say that CVD beat us, so we could not fly. The truth is that even without CVD, cosidering time, expense, exams, etc it is a long hard road, even for the best - so don't give up, keep going. There IS a living to be earned from flying, and yes we moan about our CAA compared with say the FAA, but they do allow deviations, so lets take advantage in the short term and look to forward long term goals by whatever comes our way!!
Again congrats 2close and I'm sure the blue (grey) book is only a short time away.
As for day VFR - well it has always been day, but before the JAA in say 1992 you could go IFR and now if you fail all the FAA CV tests you can still go IFR - I think also IMC in UK today ?? so CAA and JAA look at the world stats and do the right thing.
grind you down First congratulations on your FI, I,m sure you will be an inspiration to your students.
Your life story should be an inspiration to all of us. It is very easy to say that CVD beat us, so we could not fly. The truth is that even without CVD, cosidering time, expense, exams, etc it is a long hard road, even for the best - so don't give up, keep going. There IS a living to be earned from flying, and yes we moan about our CAA compared with say the FAA, but they do allow deviations, so lets take advantage in the short term and look to forward long term goals by whatever comes our way!!
Again congrats 2close and I'm sure the blue (grey
) book is only a short time away.As for day VFR - well it has always been day, but before the JAA in say 1992 you could go IFR and now if you fail all the FAA CV tests you can still go IFR - I think also IMC in UK today ?? so CAA and JAA look at the world stats and do the right thing.
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2close - congrats on your FI.
In time I'd like to do the same and possibly be a part time FI, although its probably 5-10 years before I'll be financially set up to do this.
But do you think I should still go for a Class 1 sooner rather than later? Then at least I'd have grandfather rights should the CAA decide to stop allowing CVD deviations on Class 1 medicals in the future?
cheers
ES
In time I'd like to do the same and possibly be a part time FI, although its probably 5-10 years before I'll be financially set up to do this.
But do you think I should still go for a Class 1 sooner rather than later? Then at least I'd have grandfather rights should the CAA decide to stop allowing CVD deviations on Class 1 medicals in the future?
cheers
ES