VISION THREAD (other than colour vision)
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I don't know about that much but £70.00 for the train fare from the West Country on Monday looks as though it might be on.
As far as I am concerned any chance to help in the understanding of CVDs is good news and I will use the chance the pick their brains about how things are going and where.
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As far as I am concerned any chance to help in the understanding of CVDs is good news and I will use the chance the pick their brains about how things are going and where.
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wf,
Just a brief letter saying, "we examined you in 2006 and as part of further research we need red/green CVD's. We'll pay your travel expenses, so give us a bell if you're interested". Didn't go into any details or specify if it was anything to do with the CAA.
Just a brief letter saying, "we examined you in 2006 and as part of further research we need red/green CVD's. We'll pay your travel expenses, so give us a bell if you're interested". Didn't go into any details or specify if it was anything to do with the CAA.
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No it's not - it's to do with a new test being devised for Tube drivers...but this is good for news for everyone because it means that there is a move to undertake testing that is not cards with coloured dots on but more practically aligned to the job in hand. The TfL test is single presentations of the same coloured lights as for the Beynes.
I genuinally think this is a good sign.
I genuinally think this is a good sign.
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JAA class 1 vs. FAA class 1
Hello guys,
I have perfect vision in my left eye.
In my right eye I have +2.50, and I can see 6/12 only using my right eye.
I have my JAA Class 1 Medical, and also my CAA NZ Class medical. All good for European and New Zealand flying.
Now the problem.......
I am going to Naples Air Centre to do my training, but I have just heard the FAA class 1 requirments are 20/20 in each eye seperatly!!! IS THIS TRUE???
If so.... AM I SCREWED??????
Can someone advise!
I have perfect vision in my left eye.
In my right eye I have +2.50, and I can see 6/12 only using my right eye.
I have my JAA Class 1 Medical, and also my CAA NZ Class medical. All good for European and New Zealand flying.
Now the problem.......
I am going to Naples Air Centre to do my training, but I have just heard the FAA class 1 requirments are 20/20 in each eye seperatly!!! IS THIS TRUE???
If so.... AM I SCREWED??????
Can someone advise!
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FAA class 1 vs. JAA class 1
Hello guys,
I have perfect vision in my left eye.
In my right eye I have +2.50, and I can see 6/12 only using my right eye.
I have my JAA Class 1 Medical, and also my CAA NZ Class medical. All good for European and New Zealand flying.
Now the problem.......
I am going to Naples Air Centre to do my training, but I have just heard the FAA class 1 requirments are 20/20 in each eye seperatly!!! IS THIS TRUE???
If so.... AM I SCREWED??????
Can someone advise!
I have perfect vision in my left eye.
In my right eye I have +2.50, and I can see 6/12 only using my right eye.
I have my JAA Class 1 Medical, and also my CAA NZ Class medical. All good for European and New Zealand flying.
Now the problem.......
I am going to Naples Air Centre to do my training, but I have just heard the FAA class 1 requirments are 20/20 in each eye seperatly!!! IS THIS TRUE???
If so.... AM I SCREWED??????
Can someone advise!
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20/20 yes, but glasses are allowed.
The FAA reports Eye standards for a firstclass airman medical certificate are:
(a) Distant visual acuity of 20/20 or better in each eye separately, with or without corrective lenses. If corrective lenses (spectacles or contact lenses) are necessary for 20/20 vision, the person may be eligible only on the condition that corrective lenses are worn while exercising the privileges of an airman certificate.
(b) Near vision of 20/40 or better, Snellen equivalent, at 16 inches in each eye separately, with or without corrective lenses. If age 50 or older, near vision of 20/40 or better, Snellen equivalent, at both 16 inches and 32 inches in each eye separately, with or without corrective lenses.
(c) Ability to perceive those colors necessary for the safe performance of airman duties.
(d) Normal fields of vision.
(e) No acute or chronic pathological condition of either eye or adnexa that interferes with the proper function of an eye, that may reasonably be expected to progress to that degree, or that may reasonably be expected to be aggravated by flying.
(f) Bifoveal fixation and vergencephoria relationship sufficient to prevent a break in fusion under conditions that may reasonably be expected to occur in performing airman duties. Tests for the factors named in this paragraph are not required except for persons found to have more than 1 prism diopter of hyperphoria, 6 prism diopters of esophoria, or 6 prism diopters of exophoria. If any of these values are exceeded, the Federal Air Surgeon may require the person to be examined by a qualified eye specialist to determine if there is bifoveal fixation and an adequate vergencephoria relationship. However, if otherwise eligible, the person is issued a medical certificate pending the results of the examination.
(a) Distant visual acuity of 20/20 or better in each eye separately, with or without corrective lenses. If corrective lenses (spectacles or contact lenses) are necessary for 20/20 vision, the person may be eligible only on the condition that corrective lenses are worn while exercising the privileges of an airman certificate.
(b) Near vision of 20/40 or better, Snellen equivalent, at 16 inches in each eye separately, with or without corrective lenses. If age 50 or older, near vision of 20/40 or better, Snellen equivalent, at both 16 inches and 32 inches in each eye separately, with or without corrective lenses.
(c) Ability to perceive those colors necessary for the safe performance of airman duties.
(d) Normal fields of vision.
(e) No acute or chronic pathological condition of either eye or adnexa that interferes with the proper function of an eye, that may reasonably be expected to progress to that degree, or that may reasonably be expected to be aggravated by flying.
(f) Bifoveal fixation and vergencephoria relationship sufficient to prevent a break in fusion under conditions that may reasonably be expected to occur in performing airman duties. Tests for the factors named in this paragraph are not required except for persons found to have more than 1 prism diopter of hyperphoria, 6 prism diopters of esophoria, or 6 prism diopters of exophoria. If any of these values are exceeded, the Federal Air Surgeon may require the person to be examined by a qualified eye specialist to determine if there is bifoveal fixation and an adequate vergencephoria relationship. However, if otherwise eligible, the person is issued a medical certificate pending the results of the examination.
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Color blind
Hey all,
Just had a quick question. I have a friend who is color blind and has been interested in flying for most of his life. He is now considering beginning his PPL, but he is worried that his color blindness will keep him from reaching this goal. So, here's my question. Does anyone know if there is any way that he could get a medical, or is there a waiver that he can get from the FAA, or should he just give up? Thanks.
Just had a quick question. I have a friend who is color blind and has been interested in flying for most of his life. He is now considering beginning his PPL, but he is worried that his color blindness will keep him from reaching this goal. So, here's my question. Does anyone know if there is any way that he could get a medical, or is there a waiver that he can get from the FAA, or should he just give up? Thanks.
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Guys, hope for cvd pilots ?
check it out http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3983384
maybe
check it out http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3983384
maybe
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Class 1 Deviations - my experience
I just got my JAA class 1 but it wasn't a straightforward ordeal as my visual correction for being short sighted was 0.50 over the limit (i.e. -6.5) and I initially failed the medical at Gatwick. A bad day!
I wasn't too happy that day last summer at Gatwick, especially since my optician said I was inside the limits and should have no problem with the medical. I have no other problems with my eyes, they just require correction and I have been waiting for the initial medical limits to rise for a good few years.
As soon as I failed the eye exam, both the optician and doctor explained the deviation route. They said that if I were to come to them with an ICAO CPL (eg. FAA) they could treat the medical as a renewal - since there are no renewal limits of correction - there should be no problem. I initially dismissed their help as I thought they were being too harsh not giving me the medical in the first place and I didn't want to go and train in another country and waste my money. However, after getting their advice in writing and after thinking about what they said for a while, I decided to quit my job, go to the USA and get the FAA CPL.
I went to the USA with a UK PPL with 75hrs for 4 months of intense training and came back last week with an FAA CPL/IFR (single/multi). I went to Gatwick 2 days after I got back and I passed the medical no problem!! I was pretty happy!
The deviation means that you can only fly 'G' reg aircraft on the medical and if you want to fly other European planes you would have to get a separate medical from that JAA state first. This was no problem to me as I want to fly G reg and be based in the UK (and with my FAA licence I can also fly N reg if required).
If you are in a similar position to me, my advice is to not give up if flying is your dream. I took a bit of a risk, but it was calculated and the advice was straight from the head doctor and optician at Gatwick. I had the best time flying in the USA with Europe-American Aviation (EAA) (amazing flying school), met some great people, had great experiences, and even managed to work out some back-up plans flying N reg aircrafts (one was flying in Indonesia...) in case I didn't get the class 1.
If you are in a similar position to me, I could not more highly recommend the route I took. If I was given the medical first time around and I had the choice to go to the USA to get my FAA licences I would do it without a doubt - the GA flying is amazing out there and EAA is the place to learn! Who wouldn't want to have Nassau as part of their CPL qualifying cross country... Good luck.
PS. When I went back to Gatwick last week, the doctor said that because I was only just outside the initial limit he was issuing a medical without a deviation?!?! I didn't actually ask what prescription they worked out I was, I just took the full class 1 and ran and have zero regrets of going to the USA!
I wasn't too happy that day last summer at Gatwick, especially since my optician said I was inside the limits and should have no problem with the medical. I have no other problems with my eyes, they just require correction and I have been waiting for the initial medical limits to rise for a good few years.
As soon as I failed the eye exam, both the optician and doctor explained the deviation route. They said that if I were to come to them with an ICAO CPL (eg. FAA) they could treat the medical as a renewal - since there are no renewal limits of correction - there should be no problem. I initially dismissed their help as I thought they were being too harsh not giving me the medical in the first place and I didn't want to go and train in another country and waste my money. However, after getting their advice in writing and after thinking about what they said for a while, I decided to quit my job, go to the USA and get the FAA CPL.
I went to the USA with a UK PPL with 75hrs for 4 months of intense training and came back last week with an FAA CPL/IFR (single/multi). I went to Gatwick 2 days after I got back and I passed the medical no problem!! I was pretty happy!
The deviation means that you can only fly 'G' reg aircraft on the medical and if you want to fly other European planes you would have to get a separate medical from that JAA state first. This was no problem to me as I want to fly G reg and be based in the UK (and with my FAA licence I can also fly N reg if required).
If you are in a similar position to me, my advice is to not give up if flying is your dream. I took a bit of a risk, but it was calculated and the advice was straight from the head doctor and optician at Gatwick. I had the best time flying in the USA with Europe-American Aviation (EAA) (amazing flying school), met some great people, had great experiences, and even managed to work out some back-up plans flying N reg aircrafts (one was flying in Indonesia...) in case I didn't get the class 1.
If you are in a similar position to me, I could not more highly recommend the route I took. If I was given the medical first time around and I had the choice to go to the USA to get my FAA licences I would do it without a doubt - the GA flying is amazing out there and EAA is the place to learn! Who wouldn't want to have Nassau as part of their CPL qualifying cross country... Good luck.
PS. When I went back to Gatwick last week, the doctor said that because I was only just outside the initial limit he was issuing a medical without a deviation?!?! I didn't actually ask what prescription they worked out I was, I just took the full class 1 and ran and have zero regrets of going to the USA!
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As much as I am interested as the next CVD person about various different tests available in different countries for the class 1 colour vision medicals I feel that this thread needs to be brought back to it's orignal purpose/topic.
That is the fact that the CAA/JAA are way behind the times and blatantly discriminating against CVD's.
Way back in the thread there were people talking about solicitors and court battles against the JAA because of this unfair discrimination but it has now gradually changed to possible ways to pass these unfair tests and regulations. I think what we should be discussing is how to get rid of these tests.
Has anyone made or heard of any real progress regarding this recently.
In the mean time I am still looking into the best way to 'get around' these tests just like everyone else lol.
That is the fact that the CAA/JAA are way behind the times and blatantly discriminating against CVD's.
Way back in the thread there were people talking about solicitors and court battles against the JAA because of this unfair discrimination but it has now gradually changed to possible ways to pass these unfair tests and regulations. I think what we should be discussing is how to get rid of these tests.
Has anyone made or heard of any real progress regarding this recently.
In the mean time I am still looking into the best way to 'get around' these tests just like everyone else lol.
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Yes, there is real progress but for obvious reasons we have stopped discussing them openly on this forum and are now working with our legal advisers.
If you wish to be involved then PM me your e-mail address and details and I'll let you know what the present state of play is.
If you wish to be involved then PM me your e-mail address and details and I'll let you know what the present state of play is.
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I remember our conversation 2close but I did not want to openly mention anything for the exact reason you just mentioned. I know how a simple comment on a public forum can cause all kinds of bother.
I am still very much on a learning curve with this topic and I am currently weighing up my options so I would be wary of going the legal route just yet but I will keep a close eye on the progress as much as possible. I just wanted to know that the main point of this thread hadn't been forgotten as such.
I am still very much on a learning curve with this topic and I am currently weighing up my options so I would be wary of going the legal route just yet but I will keep a close eye on the progress as much as possible. I just wanted to know that the main point of this thread hadn't been forgotten as such.
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Hi, does any know where I can find the exact eyesight number I need to be in order to get a class 1 medical in Canada? Im currently a first year uni student with three years to go until I find out if i'll make it to med school, so my backup is aviation. I currently have -2 eyesight on both eyes and it is getting 0.25 worse each year.
On this website: http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Re...rds/t42402.htm it says you need no more than +-3. Is that the actual number or is it for something else?
On this website: http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Re...rds/t42402.htm it says you need no more than +-3. Is that the actual number or is it for something else?
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For the moment there may be cross-overs between the Vision Thread and the Color Blindness thread as new regulatory "vision" arrangements are currently discussed. The Forum is not concerned in the short term and encourages members to read both threads.
On another point as mentioned by 2close, possible personal or class actions regarding color blindness against regulatory authorities are best discussed off the Site. Posting actions here is basically posting in public domain.
PPRuNe provides this thread for general discussion and networking only.
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On another point as mentioned by 2close, possible personal or class actions regarding color blindness against regulatory authorities are best discussed off the Site. Posting actions here is basically posting in public domain.
PPRuNe provides this thread for general discussion and networking only.
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what make me laugh about night flying is that many reports suggest that cvd people have improved night vision, so why the no night flying !
belowradar >what were you diagnosed at city uni ?
moderate ? severe.
belowradar >what were you diagnosed at city uni ?
moderate ? severe.